This is McCains biggest down fall.

[sortie]

Here's the deal.

He came from behind to win the GOP race so the media starts to make an icon of his wife.

Then he picks a VP and the media makes her an instant icon.

Then he mentions Joe the plumber and the media makes him an instant icon.

I probably left out a few.

So all McCain's supporter start talking about the icon instead of McCain.

I know more shit about Palin right now than I know about McCain.

And that is where his big downfall comes.

The question is did the media have a choice?
Well they either focused on other people as a fluke or they decided that McCain
didn't provide enough fodder for the news.
Either way, it definately killed his chances.

Obama never had any icons on his side take away the lime light.

Of course there are other factors(like 100 yrs in Iraq), but this would hurt any campaign.

[uno]

I think you're wrong about most of that.

[pigman]

McCains biggest downfall is that his campaign have focused on Obama instead of himself.

[DBS.US]

Obama and McCain are both just tools and your vote will not change anything.

[Tam]

Originally Posted by pigman

McCains biggest downfall is that his campaign have focused on Obama instead of himself.

This is exactly what I think. I have yet to hear anything he would bring to the table..... and I have seriously watched all of this, so I could make a more educated vote this time.. but I haven't heard one thing he plans to actually do.

[The Duck]

Originally Posted by DBS.US

Obama and McCain are both just tools and your vote will not change anything.

[Kudles]

McCain is an idiot

[baddog]

His biggest downfall was picking Palin as a running mate. He might as well have picked Biddy or LC.

[Vendot]

That and the fact that he too often addresses people "My friends" which is actually the hallmark of someone who doesnt have many friends.

[sortie]

Originally Posted by Vendot

That and the fact that he too often addresses people "My friends" which is actually the hallmark of someone who doesnt have many friends.

True, that got old really fast.

[Tempest]

Regardless of the politics, Obama has outplayed McCain and almost every turn... One just has to look at the campaigns themselves and how well or poorly they've been run and the judgment of the leaders at running them, to see who would make the better leader for the US.

[kane]

I think his biggest down fall was that he changed message a dozen times. He started out being the "Maverick" who was not gong to be run by special interest and lobbyist only to find out most of his staff was made up of lobbyist. So he fires them and changes direction. Then he becomes the tough guy who will win the Iraq war and get Bin Laden. But that doesn't seem to work either. Then he launches the hail mary and brings in Palin. She charges up the base and gets people talking and suddenly he wants to be the maverick again only this time he is the ultra-conservative maverick. But when people start to realize that the hockey mom might not have been a good pick and she goes on TV and says the word maverick more times than I can count he maybe realizes that people don't want a president who will go off on tangents and do crazy things at a whim so he changes direction again and wants to be the guy who has principles and doesn't "pal around with terrorist". When that doesn't catch on finally he decides he is the guy who will suspend his campaign and run back to Washington to fix the economy.

The guy can't seem to pick a message and he makes one bad decision after another and it makes him look like he is unstable. I think people just got sick of him because they weren't sure what John McCain they were getting. Obama pretty much stayed on message and ran a masterful campaign that made McCain always look like he was scrambling to keep up and McCain played right along by flip flopping all over the place in an effort to catch lightning in a bottle.

[BradM]

mccain will win.

[Kenko]

Taxes.
He should have promised Tax cuts to the middle class.
And cutting government spending...the complete opposite of Obama.

But tax cuts mainly for the rich?
WTF was he thinking?

McCain goes on and on about Obama 'Spreading the Wealth' ,
but Joe Public is just thinking .. "Well so what, that sounds good to me.."

Someone needs to remind McCain that the poor outnumber the rich, and they all have one vote.

[GrouchyAdmin]

He was written in perl and can't cache?

[notoldschool]

Originally Posted by baddog

His biggest downfall was picking Palin as a running mate. He might as well have picked Biddy or LC.

Holy shit. I have just gained a new respect for you, and I fully agree with you.

[PornMD]

Originally Posted by pigman

McCains biggest downfall is that his campaign have focused on Obama instead of himself.

This and picking Palin.

He's making everyone else an icon because that's his only chance of winning...he has absolutely no charisma to win over anyone who wasn't already supporting him.

[KillerK]

Obama never says shit, he talks a good talk but you come away wondering what his point was. That is my 2nd biggest issue with Obama.

[uno]

Originally Posted by baddog

His biggest downfall was picking Palin as a running mate. He might as well have picked Biddy or LC.

Has Biddy ever done or said anything useful? I've had her(?) on ignore after the first dozen posts they made.

[gornyhuy]

LC for president!!!!

[Ace_luffy]

Originally Posted by pigman

McCains biggest downfall is that his campaign have focused on Obama instead of himself.

[Sarah_Jayne]

Originally Posted by KillerK

Obama never says shit, he talks a good talk but you come away wondering what his point was. That is my 2nd biggest issue with Obama.

That is a class they have to pass in politician school. They all do that.

[Rorschach]

The guy was locked up for x years in a POW camp and he calls Asians "gooks." He should be barred from running on the grounds of mental instability. The guy's a straight out nutter. Like Obama said, "This is the guy who sang 'bomb, bomb, bomb Iran...'"

[gigoloCooper]

Originally Posted by sortie

I know more shit about Palin right now than I know about McCain.

someones not doing his homework...

[Matt 26z]

The 2000-era McCain could have beaten Obama, but I don't know as if that McCain could have gotten the Republican nomination this year either.

He should have jumped parties after 2000 like he was considering. He probably would have been elected president in 2004 as a Democrat.

[Matt 26z]

This year he made three nasty mistakes:

1. Palin, who is in this only for herself and the books and TV shows that will soon follow.

2. His statement he doesn't understand the economy and their admission that they can't win talking about it.

And I think this one closed the deal for Obama.......

3. Focusing so hard on Obama's "transfer of wealth." Fact is, this benefits the vast majority of voters. Every time he talks about this, it gives votes to Obama.

[Brujah]

This is what fucked McCain up.



Game Over!

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by baddog

His biggest downfall was picking Palin as a running mate. He might as well have picked Biddy or LC.

[BradM]

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[sortie]

Originally Posted by GrouchyAdmin

He was written in perl and can't cache?

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[pocketkangaroo]

I don't think any of it matters. The difference is the war and economy. It doesn't matter who won the Republican nomination, they weren't going to get by this. The country decided years back that this war was dumb and John McCain supported it and is from a party that supported it. The economy is bad and people see the Republicans had control and would rather try something new.

[mikesouth]

any chance he may have had got lost when he picked sarah palin

he wanted to appeal to independents yet he picked a running mate that 91% of independent voters think is unqualified to serve as president.

any chance he may have had at my vote went out the window with her and I know a lot of others, particularly in Ohio who agree.

She is a moron and while I do think McCain is basically a good fellow he hasn't shown the leadership qualities I would expect from the leader of the free world.

[sortie]

Back to "Grouchyasshat" :

[Snake Doctor]

McCain's biggest downfall was that he sold his soul to the republican base to win the nomination.

Other paths he could have/should have taken are

1)He could have left the republican party after voting against the Bush tax cuts, that he opposed for good reason. He could have become an independent and challenged Bush in 2004, (He possibly could have won a 3 way race against Bush and Kerry) or still waited until this year but run as an independent.
This way he wouldn't have had to tack hard right in a year when the right is taking a beating. Not to mention he's not a very good salesman making his current pitch because he doesn't believe it himself.

2) He could have run as a maverick to get the republican nomination instead of selling out. Giuliani and Romney were splitting the supply side/pro business vote, and Huckabee was getting the religious vote, he still won the nomination because of the national security voters and independents, but he married himself to Bush along the way.
He could have stuck to his guns, picked Tom Ridge to be VP (puts Pennsylvania in the toss up column, if not in the bank) and basically tells the pro-life part of the base "who else are you going to vote for?"
Then he could have talked about nothing but national security and experience for the past 6 months.....and the race would likely be a dead heat right now.

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[pocketkangaroo]

Originally Posted by Snake Doctor

McCain's biggest downfall was that he sold his soul to the republican base to win the nomination.

Other paths he could have/should have taken are

1)He could have left the republican party after voting against the Bush tax cuts, that he opposed for good reason. He could have become an independent and challenged Bush in 2004, (He possibly could have won a 3 way race against Bush and Kerry) or still waited until this year but run as an independent.
This way he wouldn't have had to tack hard right in a year when the right is taking a beating. Not to mention he's not a very good salesman making his current pitch because he doesn't believe it himself.

2) He could have run as a maverick to get the republican nomination instead of selling out. Giuliani and Romney were splitting the supply side/pro business vote, and Huckabee was getting the religious vote, he still won the nomination because of the national security voters and independents, but he married himself to Bush along the way.
He could have stuck to his guns, picked Tom Ridge to be VP (puts Pennsylvania in the toss up column, if not in the bank) and basically tells the pro-life part of the base "who else are you going to vote for?"
Then he could have talked about nothing but national security and experience for the past 6 months.....and the race would likely be a dead heat right now.

Or he could have been a maverick and voted against this idiotic, ill-conceived war.

[After Shock Media]

Originally Posted by Brujah

This is what fucked McCain up.



Game Over!

Honestly is that lipstick on her collar or what?
I can hope

Not political at all, nor looking for an argument or knock versus Palin.

[qxm]

Originally Posted by After Shock Media

Honestly is that lipstick on her collar or what?
I can hope

Not political at all, nor looking for an argument or knock versus Palin.

Sure looks like lipstick ... if so... thats hawt

Now as far as McCain's downfall....

[Mr. Blue]

McCain lost when he stopped being McCain. At one time I would have voted for him, but he had to climb up the Republican Rectum to get the nomination and it just changed who he is.

[After Shock Media]

Originally Posted by qxm

Sure looks like lipstick ... if so... thats hawt

Now as far as McCain's downfall....

As a political stab, wonder how much it cost and doesn't that mean it can not be donated now? Ok I guess it could be cleaned, maybe. Shouldn't someone take better care of not getting such stains on expensive garments- especially if they were not bought with your own money and you plan on giving them away.

OK seriously I kid about that. Like I have never stained anything myself

[bronco67]

I watched Obama spend an entire half hour tonight outlining what he would like to do. There are some really good ideas in that ad and speech.

For the last month, every time McCain opens his mouth, it's "Obama this, and Obama that".

[d-null]

when is the next election after this one and who are the Republicans going to come up with to try and make a comeback?

[Snake Doctor]

Originally Posted by baddog

His biggest downfall was picking Palin as a running mate. He might as well have picked Biddy or LC.

I concur.

I don't think he would win anyways even if he had picked Ridge, Liebermann, or Romney....but it would have made things closer, helped out Republicans down the ticket, and allowed him to keep on with the experience argument.

[BobG]

His downfall is that he was not true to himself. He's not a country cowboy and he's running on George Bush's country boy game plan and pitching to George Bush's constituency. He gambled on going with what worked last time and lost. Just like the web... just because you made money doing something 2 years ago, doesn't mean that you're going to be able to do that same thing now and succeed.
A lot has changed during GWBs second term. McCain ignored that and decided to go against his own grain and pretend to be a typical religious, extremely pro war (that he is), anti-science, anti-evolution, tax cuts for the wealthy, good ole boy candidate when that is just not who he is.
Then, in an attempt to pander to GWBs base(not McCains true base) and to make up for his insecurity about not being hardcore GWB republican enough to win, he goes out and gambles on a cowgirl VP. The gimmic worked for a minute but again was just not true to McCain. True to McCain was Leiberman.
Love it or loath it, Obama is what you see is what you get. Obama's out preaching Obama to the Obama choir while McCain is out trying to preach GWB to the GWB-ites. Now, everything he says and all his ads and his VP pick and his campaign all sounds like bullshit... because it is. Instead of gambling on being true to himself and running as himself along with selecting Leiberman, he gambled on selecting a GWB-ish VP nominee to shore up the base (ie trick the people) and pretend to be GWB's people's man of the hour.
Maybe it was his only chance and maybe he might have fared worse had he been true to himself but that's the choice he made, it was the wrong one and the consequences are at hand.
He should have put dignity first.

[uno]

Originally Posted by bronco67

I watched Obama spend an entire half hour tonight outlining what he would like to do. There are some really good ideas in that ad and speech.

For the last month, every time McCain opens his mouth, it's "Obama this, and Obama that".

Try to make your wife understand that.

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[clare-sizegenetics]

Thats probably the idea, if anyone actually thought about McCain they wouldnt vote for him??