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Antonio 10-27-2008 03:13 AM

I love them communists!!!


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StuartD 10-27-2008 07:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snake Doctor (Post 14955808)
ALL TAXES are a redistribution of wealth.

Not true... right now in the US, taxes are a form of military income. You pay taxes, it goes to the military.
Well, I should say that's how it was. Now your taxes will go the the military and to the rich banker and insurance giants.

It's the thought of taxes actually going back to the people that scares many Americans.
It's not borrowed to add to the deficit. It's not money going to the rich or military.
It's not the American way.

ottyhotties 10-27-2008 07:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo (Post 14955871)
All you have to do is ask a "conservative" on this board why they would be supporting someone who wants to put conservatives on the Supreme Court when they work in the porn industry. They will disappear from the thread fast. Yet to see a single one answer it, and yet to see one understand why it's bad.

I'll give conservative judges in the sixth circuit some credit though for knocking down 2257 as being facially unconstitutional. I'll add this though and it's important; an Obama administration is less likely to have a activist DOJ targeting porn.

Drake 10-27-2008 08:01 AM

Wazzup 2008


https://youtube.com/watch?v=Qq8Uc5BFogE

lol

NikKay 10-27-2008 08:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mynameisjim (Post 14955837)

The funny thing is, the poor working class seem to get the most upset when it comes to this whole socialism thing when, hypothetically, it looks to help them the most. But that's why they are poor, because they don't look out for themselves like wealthy people do. But that's a whole different issue.

Quoted for truth.

The Duck 10-27-2008 08:12 AM

Fact is most of you guys have no idea what communism and socialism is.

Tom_PM 10-27-2008 08:18 AM

It's funny that every cent of everyones tax money is always redistributed among everyone else in the form of everything our government does with the money.

Another funny thing is Bush's "tax rebate" incentives. Literal redistribution of money. Literal, factual, indisputable redistribution of taxpayer "wealth" to all taxpayers. lol. What? Not socialist because it's a republican plan? Oh. Ok.

:error

tony286 10-27-2008 08:42 AM

THe problem with Sticky and I like Sticky alot and a whole lot of people is they listen to pundits. Sticky is voting against his own best interests and for the interests of very rich pundits.Like giving a hard working family a hand is welfare but Mccain wanting to give oil companies a 4 billion dollar tax break is acceptable or all the other corporate welfare that goes on.It makes no sense. Also Sticky if it wasnt for government funding there would be no internet.

tony286 10-27-2008 08:42 AM

I also like the whole latte line when John Mccains wife wore a 300k outfit to the convention.

jimmy-3-way 10-27-2008 08:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PR_Tom (Post 14956984)
It's funny that every cent of everyones tax money is always redistributed among everyone else in the form of everything our government does with the money.

Another funny thing is Bush's "tax rebate" incentives. Literal redistribution of money. Literal, factual, indisputable redistribution of taxpayer "wealth" to all taxpayers. lol. What? Not socialist because it's a republican plan? Oh. Ok.

:error

All taxpayers who make less than $75k you mean.

dav3 10-27-2008 09:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PR_Tom (Post 14956984)
It's funny that every cent of everyones tax money is always redistributed among everyone else in the form of everything our government does with the money.

Another funny thing is Bush's "tax rebate" incentives. Literal redistribution of money. Literal, factual, indisputable redistribution of taxpayer "wealth" to all taxpayers. lol. What? Not socialist because it's a republican plan? Oh. Ok.

:error

Exactly! No one cried "ZOMG SOCIALISM" when the government just bought out the biggest banks in the nation. Why not? Because Fox News told you it was a good thing, and you ate it up. Socialism is all up in the American society, yet Republitards don't seem to care because one of their Fox News talking heads didn't tell them to say anything about it. Fuck, open your droopy little eyes people. You are getting played and you don't even realize that it is happening.

baddog 10-27-2008 09:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tony404 (Post 14955683)
man they are really reaching now. lose with some class

Since you had no problem insinuating that I am a racist, I will go ahead and insinuate that you are a closet Communist.


Quote:

Originally Posted by GatorB (Post 14955722)
Boy people are sure stupid. First of all doesn't even sound like him.

You really are an idiot, aren't you?

Quote:

Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo (Post 14955746)
Does anyone have the full video clip to it?

Video is the one area that radio is really lacking. They should figure out a way to make it so you can see while the people are talking. Maybe call it television or something like that.

Tom_PM 10-27-2008 09:49 AM

lol yeah, it's just a catchphrase. Jump on board! yeeeeeeehaw!

And I'd really like to know the insurance provider who can cover a families major medical, incidental visits and catostrophic care for $5000 a year and a low deductible. And god help you if you have to buy it yourself. It's MORE likely that your deductible is closer to 5 grand and your coverage is closer to 15 grand. Mccains tax-health insurance "plan" is such a wasted effort. And made all the worse when he simply continues to mis-state Obamas plan. McCain continually insists that Obama would force you to accept goverment run socialist health care, and if an employer doesnt comply, they'll be fined. When all the while, for at least a year and counting now, Obamas plan has been clear that if you like and can afford what you currently have: NOTHING WILL CHANGE FOR YOU!!!!


I mean come on. Someone actually thought this tactic would work? Oh sorry, maybe it's a strategy not a tactic.. yawn.


Oh, and by the way... McCains health insurance tax rebate plan.. is a redistribution of YOUR WEALTH in the form of a tax rebate to deadbeats who can't afford platinum quality care!!!!! dont be fooled!!!!!! LMFAOOOOO :1orglaugh

ok the horse is dead. Beat at own risk.

Brujah 10-27-2008 10:36 AM

I tried to listen to the video but they keep editing it and throwing messages in it that I'm supposed to interpret the way the edited context wants me to. I'll pass. You can keep drinking kool-aid if you want.

When you get ahold of the complete interview, let me know. I'd be glad to listen.

Agent 488 10-27-2008 10:40 AM

people one check away from the street, heavily in debt and with no health care probably want a little redistribution lol ....

Snake Doctor 10-27-2008 10:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by StuartD (Post 14956680)
Not true... right now in the US, taxes are a form of military income. You pay taxes, it goes to the military.
Well, I should say that's how it was. Now your taxes will go the the military and to the rich banker and insurance giants.

It's the thought of taxes actually going back to the people that scares many Americans.
It's not borrowed to add to the deficit. It's not money going to the rich or military.
It's not the American way.

If my taxes go to the military, it's still a redistribution of income. So why you're saying "not true" is beyond me.

Snake Doctor 10-27-2008 11:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PR_Tom (Post 14957416)
lol yeah, it's just a catchphrase. Jump on board! yeeeeeeehaw!

And I'd really like to know the insurance provider who can cover a families major medical, incidental visits and catostrophic care for $5000 a year and a low deductible. And god help you if you have to buy it yourself. It's MORE likely that your deductible is closer to 5 grand and your coverage is closer to 15 grand. Mccains tax-health insurance "plan" is such a wasted effort. And made all the worse when he simply continues to mis-state Obamas plan. McCain continually insists that Obama would force you to accept goverment run socialist health care, and if an employer doesnt comply, they'll be fined. When all the while, for at least a year and counting now, Obamas plan has been clear that if you like and can afford what you currently have: NOTHING WILL CHANGE FOR YOU!!!!


I mean come on. Someone actually thought this tactic would work? Oh sorry, maybe it's a strategy not a tactic.. yawn.


Oh, and by the way... McCains health insurance tax rebate plan.. is a redistribution of YOUR WEALTH in the form of a tax rebate to deadbeats who can't afford platinum quality care!!!!! dont be fooled!!!!!! LMFAOOOOO :1orglaugh

ok the horse is dead. Beat at own risk.

To be fair, you're pretty much misstating McCain's plan here.

The $5000 tax credit was never meant to full purchase your health insurance. That would be akin to the government buying everyone healthcare but not raising any new taxes to pay for it.

He wants to provide bigger tax incentives for people to buy care, and end the breaks for employers offering health care to employees, to basically do away with the employer based system and move toward a market based system where everyone is equal in terms or purchasing insurance.

It's a fatally flawed plan to be sure, and the only people who would benefit in the end are the insurance companies.....but the $5K was never meant to pay for anyone's health care in full.

Agent 488 10-27-2008 11:08 AM

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_Richard_ 10-27-2008 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by DixieDash (Post 14955744)

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scoreman 10-27-2008 11:28 AM

Even taking the viewpoint that distributing some of the wealth from the well to do in this country to the larger base of Americans struggling paycheck to paycheck is EXACTLY what is going to happen, I still do not understand the argument of why this is a bad thing. Is it a bad thing to want those who are very needy to have just a little bit more security in the areas of food, housing and medical care?

The disparity between the very rich and the very poor has never been greater in the USA than it is now. For all the fat cats sitting and crying the blues because their retirement accounts are down 40%, it rings hollow for the low income family that waters down their milk to make it last longer and prays to God their car doesnt break down in between paychecks. A poster earlier points out that families making less than 20k pay no income tax. Isnt that a good thing? Because if they were paying taxes that would be outrageous. The fat cats spend 20k on their dining out per year, not their total family budget. Im shocked that a family in the USA can even live on 20k a year. How is that possible?

I had this professor in undergrad that gave this lecture once that I will never forget. In that lecture he told all that students that when they left Cal-Berkeley and went on to be lawyers and doctors and engineers, to never forget that the wealth distribution in the USA is a heavily slanted pyramid. And that social services like welfare, food stamps and unemployment are the main line of defense that the wealthy have against angry mobs storming their neighborhoods with pitchforks and burning torches. Don't think for a moment that we are so civilized in the USA that this cannot happen. The day that comes that large amounts of the poor cannot feed their children or get medicine for their family and you will see anarchy. If you are rich, the smart play to protect your own security is to allow the governenment to invest in protecting the basics needs of the poor.

germ 10-27-2008 12:33 PM

How come republicans don't care about wealth distribution if its being given to the super wealthy?

- Jesus Christ - 10-27-2008 12:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by germ (Post 14958105)
How come republicans don't care about wealth distribution if its being given to the super wealthy?

...because Reagan's cock is up their ass.

We all know people can't think straight when they are in the middle of a sex act.

2012 10-27-2008 12:43 PM

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chadknowslaw 10-27-2008 12:55 PM

The Palin/McCain ticket has its own socialist leanings:



During the 2000 campaign, on MSNBC?s ?Hardball,? a young woman asked John McCain why her father, a doctor, should be ?penalized? by being ?in a huge tax bracket.? McCain replied that ?wealthy people can afford more? and that ?the very wealthy, because they can afford tax lawyers and all kinds of loopholes, really don?t pay nearly as much as you think they do.? The exchange continued:


YOUNG WOMAN: Are we getting closer and closer to, like, socialism and stuff?. . .
MCCAIN: Here?s what I really believe: That when you reach a certain level of comfort, there?s nothing wrong with paying somewhat more.



For her part, Sarah Palin, who has lately taken to calling Obama ?Barack the Wealth Spreader,? seems to be something of a suspect character herself. She is, at the very least, a fellow-traveller of what might be called socialism with an Alaskan face. The state that she governs has no income or sales tax. Instead, it imposes huge levies on the oil companies that lease its oil fields. The proceeds finance the government?s activities and enable it to issue a four-figure annual check to every man, woman, and child in the state. One of the reasons Palin has been a popular governor is that she added an extra twelve hundred dollars to this year?s check, bringing the per-person total to $3,269. A few weeks before she was nominated for Vice-President, she told a visiting journalist?Philip Gourevitch, of The New Yorker?that ?we?re set up, unlike other states in the union, where it?s collectively Alaskans own the resources. So we share in the wealth when the development of these resources occurs.?







Actually, Ms. Palin, collective ownership of resources and sharing in the revenue is communism. And Mr. McCain, I think the idea of "to each according to his ability" came from the writings of Karl Marx.

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dav3 10-27-2008 01:02 PM

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pocketkangaroo 10-27-2008 01:04 PM

Isn't McCain's $300 billion plan to buy up bad mortgages redistributing wealth? If you believe what Obama is doing is redistributing wealth, you believe all the candidates with the exception of Bob Barr.

tony286 10-27-2008 01:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by baddog (Post 14957382)
Since you had no problem insinuating that I am a racist, I will go ahead and insinuate that you are a closet Communist.




You really are an idiot, aren't you?



Video is the one area that radio is really lacking. They should figure out a way to make it so you can see while the people are talking. Maybe call it television or something like that.

i actually said i was sorry for that . see you calling me a communist makes me laugh because its not true.im smart enough to look around and say boy what we have been doing isnt working time to try something new. also i dont know how u make a living but my product is bought in the greatest numbers by working middle class people.if they doing well it benefits my business. trickle down doesnt work. rich got a big tax break and wages dropped doesnt take a scientist.also fyi it was government funding that made the internet a reality.mccain before he sold his soul was against the bush tax cuts is he a communist?

tony286 10-27-2008 01:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by - Jesus Christ - (Post 14958129)
...because Reagan's cock is up their ass.

We all know people can't think straight when they are in the middle of a sex act.

actually the biggest tax increases during peacetime were during reagan. its a myth republicans dont raise taxes created by pundits. more increases under poppy bush remember read my lips no new taxes.

xmas13 10-27-2008 01:11 PM

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tony286 10-27-2008 01:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xmas13 (Post 14958405)

explain this to me fidel communist bad but china communist good.

Tom_PM 10-27-2008 01:37 PM

Oh yeah I didnt mean to sound like I thought the $5k was meant to cover fully. It's just one of those talking point things where I feel like each camp is fine just putting out their plan. Rather than focussing on attacking the opponents. Both have big trouble!

McCain today at a rally said that Obama would retreat in Iraq, but he (McCain) would bring them home in victory and honor! 3 sentances later he lambasted Obama for wanting to spend too much "while theres 2 wars going on".. Well which is it?

tony286 10-27-2008 01:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PR_Tom (Post 14958721)
Oh yeah I didnt mean to sound like I thought the $5k was meant to cover fully. It's just one of those talking point things where I feel like each camp is fine just putting out their plan. Rather than focussing on attacking the opponents. Both have big trouble!

McCain today at a rally said that Obama would retreat in Iraq, but he (McCain) would bring them home in victory and honor! 3 sentances later he lambasted Obama for wanting to spend too much "while theres 2 wars going on".. Well which is it?

we actually might be out sooner because it seems iraq wont sign the agreement for us to stay there.this leaving with victory is a fantasy.these people have been fighting for 100's of years. they arent going to stop for us.

- Jesus Christ - 10-27-2008 01:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tony404 (Post 14958388)
actually the biggest tax increases during peacetime were during reagan. its a myth republicans dont raise taxes created by pundits. more increases under poppy bush remember read my lips no new taxes.

Not true. He [the congress] cut taxes for the rich and lowered taxes on capitol gains.

They want Reagan's wrinkly man missle inside them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supply-side_economics

BlackCrayon 10-27-2008 01:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stickyfingerz (Post 14955915)
Answer:

The industry we work in can die off. If it does then we'll all find other ways to generate income. Our country is more important than what I do for a living to me. Anyone that votes due to being in this industry is a moron. (no not a moran lol)

Country first. This industry is just a flash in the pan in the overall scheme of things.

There is your answer. Like it or not.

Its not the industry that most should be concerned with. Its the eroding of personal freedoms. If porn online is taken away, then whats next? Mail order? Stores? Then what? Maybe they'll want to take your guns away or who knows what. Its a slippery slope.

- Jesus Christ - 10-27-2008 01:55 PM

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pocketkangaroo 10-27-2008 02:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by - Jesus Christ - (Post 14958815)
Not true. He [the congress] cut taxes for the rich and lowered taxes on capitol gains.

They want Reagan's wrinkly man missle inside them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supply-side_economics

Reagan dramatically raised social security tax as well as gas tax which hurt the lower and middle class. He also raised taxes after cutting them, but instead called it "tax reform". Kind of like how they now call bailouts "rescue packages".

- Jesus Christ - 10-27-2008 02:06 PM

Don't be silly. The middle class don’t count, only the rich.

Bow before Reagan you worm!
ALL HAIL TRICKLE DOWN ECONOMICS!


P.S. You hate America if you disagree with me.

StuartD 10-27-2008 02:08 PM

ok, so... let me get this straight.
Taking your money and giving it to the rich so that the government can own a majority share is good?
Taking your money and giving it to average Americans who need help is bad?

One is socialist and the other isn't? Is that how it is now?
Or is one kind of socialism somehow less evil than the other?

- Jesus Christ - 10-27-2008 02:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by StuartD (Post 14958984)
ok, so... let me get this straight.
Taking your money and giving it to the rich so that the government can own a majority share is good?
Taking your money and giving it to average Americans who need help is bad?

One is socialist and the other isn't? Is that how it is now?
Or is one kind of socialism somehow less evil than the other?

Its actually very easy to pull off. You convince the middle class that they are rich or will be rich when they are not. Manipulation of the ego.

pornguy 10-27-2008 02:34 PM

Sadly this is just the begenning of the Bullshit.


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