whorecash.com stole $20k! - GoFuckYourself.com

american pervert · 11-04-2002, 05:23 PM

hope that gets some attention.. here's the deal, by friend and his ppl did some traffic deals with them, all went well for a bit, then they stopped sending the checks.. current balance due is $20k

so now I need some contact info.. a #, icq, aim, email, anything that you can reach a human at. so for all contact info from whois has not be responded too.. so if anyone knows something, lemme know..

thanks

quiet · 11-04-2002, 05:25 PM

Cheshire · 11-04-2002, 05:25 PM

Cheshire is Naked

There, hope that got some attention ~ does anyone know where I can get some good Thai Food?

okay, don't hate me ~ I'm just having fun

minimouse · 11-04-2002, 05:31 PM

All I have to say is : SHIT!

jimmy3way · 11-04-2002, 05:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Cheshire
Cheshire is Naked

Rock and roll.

Turboface · 11-04-2002, 05:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by american perv
hope that gets some attention.. here's the deal, by friend and his ppl did some traffic deals with them, all went well for a bit, then they stopped sending the checks.. current balance due is $20k

so now I need some contact info.. a #, icq, aim, email, anything that you can reach a human at. so for all contact info from whois has not be responded too.. so if anyone knows something, lemme know..

thanks

Hire someone to bang some heads around.

minimouse · 11-04-2002, 05:33 PM

This is what I found at netsol.com hope it will help a bit:

Registrant:
Unified Productions, Inc. (WHORECASH-DOM)
PMB 345 2251 N. Rampart Blvd.
Las Vegas
NV,89128-7640
US

Domain Name: WHORECASH.COM

Administrative Contact, Technical Contact:
Admin, Up Air (UA79) [email protected]
Up Air Prod.
P.O. BOX 5003-160
Carpinteria, CA 93014-5003
(800)882-5284

Record expires on 30-Apr-2006.
Record created on 30-Apr-1999.
Database last updated on 4-Nov-2002 19:33:07 EST.

Domain servers in listed order:

NS1.REDLINEINTERNET.COM 216.38.143.131
NS2.REDLINEINTERNET.COM 64.191.22.132

XXXPaysiteDesign · 11-04-2002, 05:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Cheshire
Cheshire is Naked

Where?

american pervert · 11-04-2002, 05:34 PM

thanks for the replies, esp cheshire...

already went the whois route.. I need something more personal, like the address of the guy who signs the checks...

thanks!

Turboface · 11-04-2002, 05:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by american perv
I need something more personal, like the address of the guy who signs the checks...

That guy has got a drink in his hand - and his toes in the sand.

american pervert · 11-04-2002, 05:38 PM

turbo- wherever that is costs less then 2k to get to.... I don't mind traveling

dirtyone · 11-04-2002, 05:38 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Turboface

Hire someone to bang some heads around.

I'm game... let's crack some skulls

kaylacam · 11-04-2002, 05:40 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Cheshire
Cheshire is Naked

There, hope that got some attention ~ does anyone know where I can get some good Thai Food?

okay, don't hate me ~ I'm just having fun

ummmm...MY HOUSE, Cheshire! No need to get dressed...it is way casual here...hehehehe

"Here kitty, kitty, kitty"

;)

hottshot · 11-04-2002, 07:16 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Cheshire
Cheshire is Naked

There, hope that got some attention ~ does anyone know where I can get some good Thai Food?

okay, don't hate me ~ I'm just having fun

Thai Basil" at 25th and J

Pornkings · 11-04-2002, 07:19 PM

thats why I always contact the sponsor before I send to anyone.

I wouldn't trust anyone I couldn't get a hold of over the phone

Brad Mitchell · 11-04-2002, 09:27 PM

Man... someone sent 20k worth of traffic to a program called whorecash? Man, I already see the error of their ways. I'm with PornKings on this one - always talk to your sponsors first. Although, I'm supposing we're supposed to cry a river for the spammers (most likely) that didn't get paid? Anyways, thieves suck and if your friends are in the right I hope they get their money.

Brad

picpile · 11-04-2002, 09:38 PM

hehe,

http://go.vicinity.com/mbe/GeoFind.d...&STATE=NV&ZIP=

if you get a solid non mail boxes etc address i will go visit it for 40%

Quote:

Originally posted by minimouse
This is what I found at netsol.com hope it will help a bit:

Registrant:
Unified Productions, Inc. (WHORECASH-DOM)
PMB 345 2251 N. Rampart Blvd.
Las Vegas
NV,89128-7640
US

Domain Name: WHORECASH.COM

Administrative Contact, Technical Contact:
Admin, Up Air (UA79) [email protected]
Up Air Prod.
P.O. BOX 5003-160
Carpinteria, CA 93014-5003
(800)882-5284

Record expires on 30-Apr-2006.
Record created on 30-Apr-1999.
Database last updated on 4-Nov-2002 19:33:07 EST.

Domain servers in listed order:

NS1.REDLINEINTERNET.COM 216.38.143.131
NS2.REDLINEINTERNET.COM 64.191.22.132

Gemini · 11-04-2002, 09:49 PM

Do a certified letter to them. If they accept you have them, if they refuse you know they are home. ;-)

Then report them to the LV District Attorney for possible fraud, be business like about it. Nothing like a couple of suits with a pair of surly uniforms visiting to get some attention. If they refuse to talk, talk to the DA again and file charges.

Lexxx · 11-04-2002, 10:09 PM

Umm... All the wealth of contact info on their site(s) with fax numbers, etc. didn't bring any results I suppose...?

Contact paycom then, they process with them, maybe they'll cooperate upon the presentation of some proof that $20k is owned.

J B · 11-04-2002, 11:12 PM

We had some problems with them two or three years ago. When I called the number from the whois I got the answering machine of a golf club... we got paid eventually though.

SleazyDream · 11-04-2002, 11:13 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Cheshire
Cheshire is Naked

There, hope that got some attention ~ does anyone know where I can get some good Thai Food?

okay, don't hate me ~ I'm just having fun

god damn, I almost had a heart attack - i thought a pic was going to load.

cherrylula · 11-04-2002, 11:19 PM

EscortBiz · 11-04-2002, 11:36 PM

whats in it for someone to help ya

pimplink · 11-05-2002, 12:01 AM

Good Thai food:

There's a great Thai place on Telegraph Ave in Berkeley. Just
south of Dwight Way. Their Tom Yum Goom [Lemon Grass flavored soup] is

Cheap but really good. Osha Noodle House on Leavenworth [cross street of Geary] in The City

Quote:

Originally posted by Cheshire
Cheshire is Naked

There, hope that got some attention ~ does anyone know where I can get some good Thai Food?

okay, don't hate me ~ I'm just having fun

^R3K^ · 11-05-2002, 12:02 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by cherrylula
<img src=http://www.sinc.sunysb.edu/Stu/pyhun/entertainment%20pics/ateam.jpg>

Paul Markham · 11-05-2002, 12:18 AM

You did $20k worth of business with some one who you did not know???

Report them to their processors and Visa, I think they might do something about it, but you are in this position because you slipped up.

dickblast · 11-05-2002, 12:24 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by cherrylula
<img src=http://www.sinc.sunysb.edu/Stu/pyhun/entertainment%20pics/ateam.jpg>

true ninjas

UnseenWorld · 11-05-2002, 01:50 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Cheshire
does anyone know where I can get some good Thai Food?

There's a nice restaurant in walking distance of my apartment. I'll buy!

WendyB · 11-05-2002, 03:51 AM

I am not an attorney, and offer my opinion in the war against scammers. Based upon the limited information you were able to provide, you may or may not be in possession of valuable tracing information. Are you in fact able to prove with a reasonable certainty that you and/or your friend are due the amount claimed?
You mentioned that payments were previously received. If these payments were made by bank check, and you made photo copies prior to deposit, those copies will provide you with valuable information. Knowing the whereabouts of a debtors bank account will prove very useful.
On the surface this appears to be a simple civil matter, however I see Unified Productions, Inc. is not a legal Nevada corporation. All Nevada corporations are required to maintain a resident agent within the state of Nevada.
In the event of any legal proceedings, the resident agent, whose name and address is recorded with the Nevada Secretary of State would be the receiver of any legal proceeding notices.
If you are in a smaller community, you may have the advantage of enlisting the assistance of local law enforcement because of the dollar amount. A 20 thousand dollar fraud case is big crime in a town of 15,000 people. Unfortunately if you happen to be in a larger city, this case would more than likely be fast tracked to the cold case files.
At the end of the day, you still are left with a civil matter, however there are some very easy ways to turn up the heat on those who allegedly scammed you. The fraud investigation unit of the Nevada Secretary of State has long had a reputation of being aggressive in these type matters. They will send or fax you an initial complaint form, and they will follow-up with you upon receipt of your complaint. You realize, this alone does not get your money back (in most cases), because Nevada SOS will do everything in it's power to stop people from pretending to be Nevada corporations.
The United States Postal Inspector is someone to get on your side, along with your own state's Attorney General. In most cases, if you make the complaint, providing enough evidence of wrongdoing, these agencies will attempt to make contact with the offender.
Start the ball rolling. If you choose to bring action in the civil court, and depending upon the local court rules, it may be possible to get started without an attorney. Personally this is the best part of the hunt for justice. After you have filed with the clerks office (depending on your location) You will be able to issue subpoenas to those you wish to appear. There are different type of subpoenas. You might find a "appear and produce" subpoena very effective. Your local court and/or State will have rules as to how a subpoena must be delivered to potential witnesses, including at minimum some sort of certified delivery. The method I prefer is paying the recipient's local sheriff to do personal service. Having Johnny law knock on their door at 7 in the morning can be an attention getter. the price will vary widely across the country from $10 to $300.
I would go after the mail box etc they used to receive their mail, the bank who holds their account, their ISP. After dragging them into the eye of the storm, you might just find them very helpful in locating your scammers.

Mutt · 11-05-2002, 05:09 AM

thank you Judge Judy!

WendyB · 11-05-2002, 05:31 AM

They can run...but they can't hide

DISCLAIMER: The information displayed here is current as of NOV 01, 2002 and is updated weekly. It is not a complete or certified record of the Corporation.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Corporation
UNITED INTERNET GROUP, INC.
Number: C2158248 Date Filed: 3/23/1999 Status: suspended
Jurisdiction: California
Mailing Address
310 N INDIAN HILL BLVD STE 511
CLAREMONT, CA 91711
Agent for Service of Process
JASON YARDI
310 N INDIAN HILL BLVD STE 511
CLAREMONT, CA 91711

WendyB · 11-05-2002, 05:46 AM

FYI the address for Jason Yardi - United Internet Group, Inc is a Mail Box etc. location.

Here is the name and phone number for the MBE owners at that location.

Mail Boxes Etc.
Craig & Vivian Harvey
310 N Indian Hill Blvd
Claremont CA 91711
909-621-2112 Fax: 909-621-7678

Mail Receiving Service/Parcel Ship/Pack

You might also stop by your local post office. There is a possibility MBE filed an authorization to receive mail for these people. If it is in the system, your local post office clerk should be able to access and provide you with that info. There may be a small fee.

WendyB · 11-05-2002, 11:32 AM

please keep us posted

ATL_Ryan · 11-05-2002, 11:56 AM

I'm surprised no one has mentioned the word contract?

Don't you have a contract? No one should ever do business with anyone without a contract. If my mom wanted to sell me traffic she would be signing on the dotted line.

american pervert · 11-05-2002, 12:29 PM

pornkings--- it happens, lots off ppl I never talk to on the phone make me $$

sinempire--- don't cry for spammers, just giving a heads up and looking for some info.. and to think, now all that traffic has to get sent to someone a little more honest

picpile--- lol.. wish it was that easy

gemini--- even I never accpet cert. letters

escortbiz--- I would work on a % base

charly- business was done with no prob for a while.. then when the boot got big, they kept it....

wendyb- you fucking rule!! thanks, I'll let you know what happens

cj_ryan-- contracts? you wanna sign your name on this shit?? paperwork is nice when I can meet someone in person, not from across the world. fax's, scanned docs mean nothing, all that shit can be faked

I'll keep you all posted....

s9ann0 · 11-05-2002, 02:32 PM

they did me for about $6k a few years ago by avoiding / refusing to reissue checks after I changed company name

WendyB · 11-05-2002, 08:30 PM

did you ever get your $6000 ????

11-04-2002, 05:23 PM	#1
american pervert Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 6,830	whorecash.com stole $20k! hope that gets some attention.. here's the deal, by friend and his ppl did some traffic deals with them, all went well for a bit, then they stopped sending the checks.. current balance due is $20k so now I need some contact info.. a #, icq, aim, email, anything that you can reach a human at. so for all contact info from whois has not be responded too.. so if anyone knows something, lemme know.. thanks __________________ I can resist everything except temptation

11-04-2002, 05:25 PM	#2
quiet we'll miss you our friend. RIP Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Fernie, BC Posts: 25,115	hmm

11-04-2002, 05:25 PM	#3
Cheshire Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Rosen-Villin Posts: 5,738	Cheshire is Naked There, hope that got some attention ~ does anyone know where I can get some good Thai Food? okay, don't hate me ~ I'm just having fun __________________ just a little bit naughty

11-04-2002, 05:31 PM	#4
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11-04-2002, 05:33 PM	#7
minimouse Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Home Posts: 1,493	This is what I found at netsol.com hope it will help a bit: Registrant: Unified Productions, Inc. (WHORECASH-DOM) PMB 345 2251 N. Rampart Blvd. Las Vegas NV,89128-7640 US Domain Name: WHORECASH.COM Administrative Contact, Technical Contact: Admin, Up Air (UA79) [email protected] Up Air Prod. P.O. BOX 5003-160 Carpinteria, CA 93014-5003 (800)882-5284 Record expires on 30-Apr-2006. Record created on 30-Apr-1999. Database last updated on 4-Nov-2002 19:33:07 EST. Domain servers in listed order: NS1.REDLINEINTERNET.COM 216.38.143.131 NS2.REDLINEINTERNET.COM 64.191.22.132 __________________ Dead

11-04-2002, 05:34 PM	#9
american pervert Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 6,830	thanks for the replies, esp cheshire... already went the whois route.. I need something more personal, like the address of the guy who signs the checks... thanks! __________________ I can resist everything except temptation

11-04-2002, 05:38 PM	#11
american pervert Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 6,830	turbo- wherever that is costs less then 2k to get to.... I don't mind traveling __________________ I can resist everything except temptation Last edited by american pervert; 11-04-2002 at 05:39 PM..

11-04-2002, 07:19 PM	#15
Pornkings Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Roger V Posts: 5,334	thats why I always contact the sponsor before I send to anyone. I wouldn't trust anyone I couldn't get a hold of over the phone __________________ Pornkings.com

11-04-2002, 09:27 PM	#16
Brad Mitchell Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Southfield, MI Posts: 9,812	Man... someone sent 20k worth of traffic to a program called whorecash? Man, I already see the error of their ways. I'm with PornKings on this one - always talk to your sponsors first. Although, I'm supposing we're supposed to cry a river for the spammers (most likely) that didn't get paid? Anyways, thieves suck and if your friends are in the right I hope they get their money. Brad __________________ President at MojoHost \| brad at mojohost dot com \| Skype MojoHostBrad 71 industry awards for hosting and professional excellence since 1999

11-04-2002, 09:49 PM	#18
Gemini Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: o-HI-o Posts: 7,183	Do a certified letter to them. If they accept you have them, if they refuse you know they are home. ;-) Then report them to the LV District Attorney for possible fraud, be business like about it. Nothing like a couple of suits with a pair of surly uniforms visiting to get some attention. If they refuse to talk, talk to the DA again and file charges.

11-04-2002, 10:09 PM	#19
Lexxx Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Boston Posts: 1,489	Umm... All the wealth of contact info on their site(s) with fax numbers, etc. didn't bring any results I suppose...? Contact paycom then, they process with them, maybe they'll cooperate upon the presentation of some proof that $20k is owned. __________________ SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, then you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60.

11-04-2002, 11:12 PM	#20
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11-05-2002, 12:18 AM	#26
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11-05-2002, 03:51 AM	#29
WendyB Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Woodinville Posts: 538	I am not an attorney, and offer my opinion in the war against scammers. Based upon the limited information you were able to provide, you may or may not be in possession of valuable tracing information. Are you in fact able to prove with a reasonable certainty that you and/or your friend are due the amount claimed? You mentioned that payments were previously received. If these payments were made by bank check, and you made photo copies prior to deposit, those copies will provide you with valuable information. Knowing the whereabouts of a debtors bank account will prove very useful. On the surface this appears to be a simple civil matter, however I see Unified Productions, Inc. is not a legal Nevada corporation. All Nevada corporations are required to maintain a resident agent within the state of Nevada. In the event of any legal proceedings, the resident agent, whose name and address is recorded with the Nevada Secretary of State would be the receiver of any legal proceeding notices. If you are in a smaller community, you may have the advantage of enlisting the assistance of local law enforcement because of the dollar amount. A 20 thousand dollar fraud case is big crime in a town of 15,000 people. Unfortunately if you happen to be in a larger city, this case would more than likely be fast tracked to the cold case files. At the end of the day, you still are left with a civil matter, however there are some very easy ways to turn up the heat on those who allegedly scammed you. The fraud investigation unit of the Nevada Secretary of State has long had a reputation of being aggressive in these type matters. They will send or fax you an initial complaint form, and they will follow-up with you upon receipt of your complaint. You realize, this alone does not get your money back (in most cases), because Nevada SOS will do everything in it's power to stop people from pretending to be Nevada corporations. The United States Postal Inspector is someone to get on your side, along with your own state's Attorney General. In most cases, if you make the complaint, providing enough evidence of wrongdoing, these agencies will attempt to make contact with the offender. Start the ball rolling. If you choose to bring action in the civil court, and depending upon the local court rules, it may be possible to get started without an attorney. Personally this is the best part of the hunt for justice. After you have filed with the clerks office (depending on your location) You will be able to issue subpoenas to those you wish to appear. There are different type of subpoenas. You might find a "appear and produce" subpoena very effective. Your local court and/or State will have rules as to how a subpoena must be delivered to potential witnesses, including at minimum some sort of certified delivery. The method I prefer is paying the recipient's local sheriff to do personal service. Having Johnny law knock on their door at 7 in the morning can be an attention getter. the price will vary widely across the country from $10 to $300. I would go after the mail box etc they used to receive their mail, the bank who holds their account, their ISP. After dragging them into the eye of the storm, you might just find them very helpful in locating your scammers. __________________ An act of kindness is a wonderful gift

11-05-2002, 05:09 AM	#30
Mutt Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34,431	thank you Judge Judy! __________________ I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

11-05-2002, 05:31 AM	#31
WendyB Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Woodinville Posts: 538	They can run...but they can't hide DISCLAIMER: The information displayed here is current as of NOV 01, 2002 and is updated weekly. It is not a complete or certified record of the Corporation. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Corporation UNITED INTERNET GROUP, INC. Number: C2158248 Date Filed: 3/23/1999 Status: suspended Jurisdiction: California Mailing Address 310 N INDIAN HILL BLVD STE 511 CLAREMONT, CA 91711 Agent for Service of Process JASON YARDI 310 N INDIAN HILL BLVD STE 511 CLAREMONT, CA 91711 __________________ An act of kindness is a wonderful gift

11-05-2002, 05:46 AM	#32
WendyB Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Woodinville Posts: 538	FYI the address for Jason Yardi - United Internet Group, Inc is a Mail Box etc. location. Here is the name and phone number for the MBE owners at that location. Mail Boxes Etc. Craig & Vivian Harvey 310 N Indian Hill Blvd Claremont CA 91711 909-621-2112 Fax: 909-621-7678 Mail Receiving Service/Parcel Ship/Pack You might also stop by your local post office. There is a possibility MBE filed an authorization to receive mail for these people. If it is in the system, your local post office clerk should be able to access and provide you with that info. There may be a small fee. __________________ An act of kindness is a wonderful gift

11-05-2002, 11:32 AM	#33
WendyB Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Woodinville Posts: 538	please keep us posted __________________ An act of kindness is a wonderful gift

11-05-2002, 11:56 AM	#34
ATL_Ryan Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 1,519	I'm surprised no one has mentioned the word contract? Don't you have a contract? No one should ever do business with anyone without a contract. If my mom wanted to sell me traffic she would be signing on the dotted line.

11-05-2002, 12:29 PM	#35
american pervert Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 6,830	pornkings--- it happens, lots off ppl I never talk to on the phone make me $$ sinempire--- don't cry for spammers, just giving a heads up and looking for some info.. and to think, now all that traffic has to get sent to someone a little more honest picpile--- lol.. wish it was that easy gemini--- even I never accpet cert. letters escortbiz--- I would work on a % base charly- business was done with no prob for a while.. then when the boot got big, they kept it.... wendyb- you fucking rule!! thanks, I'll let you know what happens cj_ryan-- contracts? you wanna sign your name on this shit?? paperwork is nice when I can meet someone in person, not from across the world. fax's, scanned docs mean nothing, all that shit can be faked I'll keep you all posted.... __________________ I can resist everything except temptation Last edited by american pervert; 11-05-2002 at 12:35 PM..

11-05-2002, 02:32 PM	#36
s9ann0 Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Boston Posts: 4,873	they did me for about $6k a few years ago by avoiding / refusing to reissue checks after I changed company name

11-05-2002, 08:30 PM	#37
WendyB Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Woodinville Posts: 538	did you ever get your $6000 ???? __________________ An act of kindness is a wonderful gift