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RogerV 10-22-2008 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by RevengeBucks_Monica (Post 14938274)
A true pyramid scheme, which is illegal, only benefits the person at the very top. They get a percentage of everything, the person below them gets a percentage of only what's below them, and so on.

In MLM, you are getting paid based on a grid of people below you, but only so many levels deep, and only so wide. Anyone at any level has the same opportunity as the guy at the "top" to earn money.

It's like an affiliate program. You are getting paid for everyone that signs up below you, and that's not a scam right? So why is it a scam if you get paid for everyone that your signups signup?

And I"m perfectly happy to talk about it right here in public. It does not have to be private.

from what you just said its totally illegal.

In the most legitimate MLM companies, commissions are earned only on sales of the company's products or services. No money may be earned from recruiting alone ("sign-up fees"), though money earned from the sales of members recruited is one attraction of MLM arrangements. If participants are paid primarily from money received from new recruits, or if they are required to buy more product than they are likely to sell, then the company may be a pyramid or Ponzi scheme, which is illegal in most countries.

Nicky 10-22-2008 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by RogerV (Post 14939178)
from what you just said its totally illegal.

In the most legitimate MLM companies, commissions are earned only on sales of the company's products or services. No money may be earned from recruiting alone ("sign-up fees"), though money earned from the sales of members recruited is one attraction of MLM arrangements. If participants are paid primarily from money received from new recruits, or if they are required to buy more product than they are likely to sell, then the company may be a pyramid or Ponzi scheme, which is illegal in most countries.

Ya, It's probably illegal, that might mean the early people might get paid though :P

http://www.allxclubpro.com/1212901/

RogerV 10-22-2008 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by adult_webmaster (Post 14939133)
Maybe it's so hyped because it may be the "real deal"...

I just want to see how many of these start popping up after this takes off....That IMHO will be the funniest thing EVER! Another "wait til someone else has a good idea, and copy them" deal like MySpace, FaceBook, Ebay or whatever.

And MikeG, you are right on with your reasoning. If it was called a "referral program, more of the pessimistic people would be more eager to join. Its simply a multi-tiered affiliate program...doesn't get simpler than that.

I will be launching our for sure and it will be 100% legit with a full turnkey porn business behind it.. GetRichInPorn.com was set to be a MLM which it already is just only 3 levels. our new system will blow anyone away.

and the way I see it set up is illegal but then again who cares until they get sued or shut down. I have been researching this for 3 years now. its not a new idea:2 cents:

I just didnt want to launch our mlm until our products made more then the downline/matrix etc.

Neighbor 10-22-2008 07:18 PM

Roger, hit me up on ICQ...

Nicky 10-22-2008 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by RogerV (Post 14939197)
I will be launching our for sure and it will be 100% legit with a full turnkey porn business behind it.. GetRichInPorn.com was set to be a MLM which it already is just only 3 levels. our new system will blow anyone away.

and the way I see it set up is illegal but then again who cares until they get sued or shut down. I have been researching this for 3 years now. its not a new idea:2 cents:

I just didnt want to launch our mlm until our products made more then the downline/matrix etc.

Ok, make it shady as hell :) please email me when ya about to launch thx

RogerV 10-22-2008 07:20 PM

Nearly all MLM programs can be considered “product-based pyramid schemes,” or “recruiting MLM’s” – because they thrive on recruitment of new “distributors” – who are the actual customers. Here the term “recruiting MLM” – or “MLM” for short – refers to schemes that are characterized by multi-level endless chain recruitment of distributors as their primary customers.

Recruiting MLM’s incorporate these “Five Red Flags” in their compensation plans:

1. Recruiting of participants is unlimited in an endless chain of empowered and motivated recruiters recruiting recruiters.

2. Advancement in a hierarchy of multiple levels of “distributors” is achieved by recruitment, rather than by appointment.

3. Ongoing purchases (products, sales “tools,” etc.) by “distributors” are encouraged in order for them to be eligible for commissions and to advance in the business ("pay to play").

4. The company pays commissions and/or bonuses to more than four levels of “distributors.”

5. For each sale, company payout for the total of all upline participants equals or exceeds that for the person actually selling the product, creating an inadequate incentive to sell products directly and an excessive incentive to recruit new participants.

WARNING: Where data has become available for MLM companies with these 5 red flags in their compensation plans (which is most MLM’s), approximately 99.9% of participants lose money – after subtracting purchases from the company. You would be wise to avoid participating —regardless of how great the products, how many "respectable" people manage it or endorse it, and whether or not law enforcement has taken any action against them. Your odds of profiting from gambling in Las Vegas are far better. (See “Which Does the Greater Harm,” posted at www.mlm-thetruth.com)

Supz 10-22-2008 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeG (Post 14938902)
If they just called this a webmaster referal progam instead of an MLM deal, people wouldn't be complaining.

What's the difference between this and a tiered webmaster referal program???
Those have been around since the beggining of time.

Basically, it's an affiliate program that's not paying an outrageous payout because it's sharing the payout with more people.

When people hear MLM or Pyramind they always freak out.

Give it a shot: http://www.allxclubpro.com/1056701
If in 2 or 3 months you don't make money cancel, $80 - $120 is less than a nice dinner.

you are right, there is no difference. except you have to PAY for this.

RogerV 10-22-2008 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Nicky (Post 14939228)
Ok, make it shady as hell :) please email me when ya about to launch thx

MLM's a great if done right.. Now I'm afraid this system will fuck up the hardwork I put into launching a real mlm and jade what i'm doing:(

Neighbor 10-22-2008 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by supzdotcom (Post 14939234)
you are right, there is no difference. except you have to PAY for this.

Which, as also mentioned before, eliminates deadbeat webmasters/distributors...

RogerV 10-22-2008 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by supzdotcom (Post 14939234)
you are right, there is no difference. except you have to PAY for this.

which makes it illegal ask any attorney. unless I'm still missing something

Neighbor 10-22-2008 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by RogerV (Post 14939244)
which makes it illegal ask any attorney. unless I'm still missing something

You are missing something Roger... you have to offer a service or product of equal or greater value than the cost, and in order to become a distributor and make money, there is a different level of membership...plain and simple.

TheDoc 10-22-2008 07:35 PM

And my question is still ignored..... So I will continue to my bashing.

Neighbor 10-22-2008 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 14939285)
And my question is still ignored..... So I will continue to my bashing.

And what question is that Doc?

Iron Fist 10-22-2008 09:15 PM

Sounds like an affiliate program with a built in shaving scheme... so how many surfers do you think are going to magically become webmasters and refer others in my downline. I think about none, well okay... maybe one, but even if it was 3 levels deep, it doesn't make any financial sense based on the premise of it all being ADULT related. Porn sites is taboo at best.... downright illegal at worst... to be honest, there is a reason why MLM is in mainstream, you think these guys in MLM havn't thought of this before? Your all kidding yourselves - it's been thought out a long time ago, and I can't see it working, other than the OWNER collecting all those memberships from webmasters now, instead of from surfers. Talk about a sucker punch... good luck with it those that "signed up", you'll need it!

TheDoc 10-22-2008 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by adult_webmaster (Post 14939508)
And what question is that Doc?

Finally... I have been trying to find out what sites you actually push to the surfer. I saw the vod, sex store, but I wasn't sure what people were pushing.

You push us, what appears to be a Webmaster version, so I assume the surfer isn't getting the same pitch.

Iron Fist 10-22-2008 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by adult_webmaster (Post 14939242)
Which, as also mentioned before, eliminates deadbeat webmasters/distributors...

Holy shit man, you could NOT be more wrong on that... :mad::mad::mad:

Supz 10-22-2008 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by adult_webmaster (Post 14939242)
Which, as also mentioned before, eliminates deadbeat webmasters/distributors...

yea, maybe if it was 300 to join. any deadbeat can afford 10-40 dollars.

And let me ask this. If you make your money from your down lines monthly residual, What happens when they don't pay anymore?

DamageX 10-22-2008 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by After Shock Media (Post 14938838)
be left behind by the "industry leaders". Whoever the fuck they are.

Oh, come on, of course you know who the industry leaders are... You know, the ones that scammed their way to riches many times over by now, so this Ponzi scheme should come as no surprise. :Graucho

FlexxAeon 10-22-2008 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by sharphead (Post 14939570)
Holy shit man, you could NOT be more wrong on that... :mad::mad::mad:

lolol man i had almost typed something to that comment as well but i was like 'fuck it'

edit: mmmm post 69...

Neighbor 10-23-2008 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 14939566)
Finally... I have been trying to find out what sites you actually push to the surfer. I saw the vod, sex store, but I wasn't sure what people were pushing.

You push us, what appears to be a Webmaster version, so I assume the surfer isn't getting the same pitch.

The products being included in the offering come from a few different resources

1. Sex Stores
2. VOD
3. FREE DVD (Comes from the Sex Store)
4. CHAT - CAMZ
5. DATING - IWANTU.COM (working out minor details on this offering)

AllXClub is also looking for other companies who would like to offer their "product" to be added as a part of the membership. It would be in a similar fashion as providing members with "XYZ" as part of their membership, and this would bring traffic from places you may not have been getting before since this is also being pushed heavily in the mainstream sector. I am not the deal maker, but any company with an interest can pass their product offering along to me, and it will be provided to the deal makers.

fuzebox 10-23-2008 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by A1R3K (Post 14938320)
i never thought i'd see the day where people in this industry would tout mlm as i've seen the last few days.

I'm thinking that a lot of the people here have no experience in MLM and are thinking it's a great new thing because it has a paysite attached to it...

gleem 10-23-2008 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by AdvertisingSex (Post 14938976)
sounds like it's ran by revengebuck.com , or am I mistaken Monica?

Nope, not at all. My buddy helped create the porn side of it, and I figured I'd have some fun with it so I made Monica join :)

cherrylula 10-23-2008 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by A1R3K (Post 14938320)
i never thought i'd see the day where people in this industry would tout mlm as i've seen the last few days.

yep.

scary :upsidedow

Neighbor 10-23-2008 02:37 PM

Here's a little excerpt from a good article...


MLM is a Good Business

Yes, there are some bad companies out there and pure pyramid schemes. Over all MLM is the last hope in America for the little person to learn how to make money and actually make it. There are over 10 million people that earn a part time to a full time MLM income. People that hate MLM always ignore the part time person because the ?Bashers? (see below) would rather have them washing dishes or waiting tables....

Buffet paid $1Billion for Pampered Chef, ? an MLM
Amway does Billions for years ? and MLM
Tupperware? MLM
Avon ? an MLM
Monavie - $1 Billion/year?. In 6 years!


Read the full article here Full Story

After Shock Media 10-23-2008 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by adult_webmaster (Post 14942660)
Here's a little excerpt from a good article...


Yup that is indeed a good article, biased but good.
Suppose an article that details the aspects of a Ponzi scheme would fall into the bad article category?

BTW since the FAQ is very blank when it comes to questions. Say someone joins under someone. They like the idea of the porn. Well their one month free trial (er access) expires to so and so site and they join or get up sold to a premium membership. Who gets the money earned on it- The MLM member who signed them up and their upstream or?
What about any future offers, or products with such upgrade abilities that may be offered to the buyers via newsletter, blog, or whatever in the future?

FlexxAeon 10-23-2008 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by adult_webmaster (Post 14942660)
Here's a little excerpt from a good article...


MLM is a Good Business

Yes, there are some bad companies out there and pure pyramid schemes. Over all MLM is the last hope in America for the little person to learn how to make money and actually make it. There are over 10 million people that earn a part time to a full time MLM income. People that hate MLM always ignore the part time person because the ?Bashers? (see below) would rather have them washing dishes or waiting tables....

Buffet paid $1Billion for Pampered Chef, ? an MLM
Amway does Billions for years ? and MLM
Tupperware? MLM
Avon ? an MLM
Monavie - $1 Billion/year?. In 6 years!


Read the full article here Full Story

:1orglaugh

yeah that article is clearly unbiased and impartial....

and stating how much each company makes has abso-fucking-lutely nothing to do with how much someone who joins an MLM makes. what is DOES say is how much you folks at the top could make. which is great i guess.

the hilarity continues :upsidedow

fubar00 10-23-2008 08:08 PM

just rambling
 
crying out loud people it is just another tool. If it makes money great if it doesn't you're not out much. $10 per month, $40 per month whatever, if it's not making you money after whatever period of time you've decided is necessary for it to be a failure or success in your mind simply quit.

allxclubpro.com/1197201

Iron Fist 10-23-2008 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by fubar00 (Post 14943817)
crying out loud people it is just another tool. If it makes money great if it doesn't you're not out much. $10 per month, $40 per month whatever, if it's not making you money after whatever period of time you've decided is necessary for it to be a failure or success in your mind simply quit.

allxclubpro.com/1197201

Well, good luck to you... if you had *ANY* experience in MLM, you wouldn't be here saying that... then again, MLM is all about recruitment, so you wouldn't be saying it anyways. :mad:

will76 10-04-2010 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by RogerV (Post 14937628)
How does one make money off this MLM other then being in the downline or pyramid? Can someone answer this? because you cant sell the Matrix idea without products people can sell and make money from or its illegal.

In the most legitimate MLM companies, commissions are earned only on sales of the company's products or services. No money may be earned from recruiting alone ("sign-up fees"), though money earned from the sales of members recruited is one attraction of MLM arrangements. If participants are paid primarily from money received from new recruits, or if they are required to buy more product than they are likely to sell, then the company may be a pyramid or Ponzi scheme, which is illegal in most countries.



funny to hear you knock them, then copy them.... way to go!!! :thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup

I wonder how many people using your shit spend more than they make a month... wouldn't that be illegal in your own words???

epitome 10-04-2010 10:21 PM

ASM was active in this thread.

I get sad every time I see him in an old bump. :(


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