Originally Posted by bm bradley (Post 14926140)

maybe, I once read in a financial magazine that one of the hardest issues a company has is to survive taxes in the first 5 years.

Originally Posted by JP-pornshooter (Post 14926148)

This is the second time you briefly touch upon the importance of being proud, patriotic and fighting for America. It seems a big issue to you and i think to many Americans who vote for McCain.

Originally Posted by Peacemaker (Post 14926159)

but, correct me if i am wrong, the taxes will be higher only for the income. the money you take home. so i dont understand how it is possible to hurt a small company.

Originally Posted by Peacemaker (Post 14926159)

but, correct me if i am wrong, the taxes will be higher only for the income. the money you take home. so i dont understand how it is possible to hurt a small company.

Originally Posted by pussyserver (Post 14925850)

Where do you people get this crap???

You are completely uninformed

Obama will not rais the tax on small biz... the tax is on actual take home income of those making 250k or more per year

not the overall revenue of the small biz


really amazes me that in this day and time with the internet and information at our fingertips...... people are still clueless


If Obama is not elected president.... america will slip into nothingness

and all this talk about socialism ... cry me a fuckin river

we are bailing out billion dollar companies, bailing out foreign countries with human blood

... but as soon as someone wants to do something for america the crazy neocons start spouting all kind of crazy nonsense

This forum is a weird , crazt, below average IQ ces pool:2 cents:

Originally Posted by bm bradley (Post 14926102)

here's my thinking: the world is at war with us, the middle east with terror and oil and the Chinese and the Russians with financing and oil... we won't admit that on a public level. however it's very obvious to me.

so you're saying that we wouldn't be in the economical crises we are in if the dems had been running stuff? I'm not sure that's true. I am sure jr bush has done some that might not be right however I'm also sure he's probably done a few things right.

Originally Posted by bm bradley (Post 14926188)

you are correct however when someone pulls 30+ % of your profit it does matter :) my advice would be to start a small biz and see how it goes..

Originally Posted by pussyserver (Post 14926116)

I guess you cant teach a lobster to read

Powell has always gone against the grain from republicans... always

But oh well believe what you want.... Powell backs Obama like many other republicans do... Because he is the best choice

.... Funny how just because he is black ... you and BM feel his support is based solely on this fact..... pretty sad

I thank god I have a brain:2 cents:

Originally Posted by bm bradley (Post 14926188)

you are correct however when someone pulls 30+ % of your profit it does matter :) my advice would be to start a small biz and see how it goes..

Originally Posted by StuartD (Post 14926202)

Wait, these are 2 very different points.

1. The world is not at war with the US. However, there are terrorists pin pointing the US and its' not because of it's "freedom" no matter how much Bush would tell you otherwise. And those that just resent the US don't hate it's citizens, just it's government. It's not hard to figure out why.

2. The economic crisis started before 8 years ago, and the government did nothing to prevent it since. Can you please point out a few things that Bush Jr did right as I am drawing a blank.

Originally Posted by bm bradley (Post 14925843)

yeah, that's a real issue for sure... it's very hard for a new biz to survive taxation. I know the gov lifts my cash surplus every year. I've heard people say stuff like 'if taxes have to go up to afford the social programs, so what" not considering that if businesses drop up where will the tax money come from. and yes mc cain does seem like a nutjob, however all politicians are nutjobs anyway.

Originally Posted by StuartD (Post 14926202)

Wait, these are 2 very different points.

1. The world is not at war with the US. However, there are terrorists pin pointing the US and its' not because of it's "freedom" no matter how much Bush would tell you otherwise. And those that just resent the US don't hate it's citizens, just it's government. It's not hard to figure out why.

2. The economic crisis started before 8 years ago, and the government did nothing to prevent it since. Can you please point out a few things that Bush Jr did right as I am drawing a blank.

Originally Posted by pussyserver (Post 14926215)

BM... you said you wanted to have a sensible thread..... now seriously... lets be sensible mature adults here

You do know that the tax is on personal income over 250k ... not company profits right??


I am sure you know this fact... but why do you insist on smudging the facts and making it to look like something that it is not?

I dont understand... why are you doing that?

Originally Posted by bm bradley (Post 14926179)

without America my life would be non existent for sure. I'm sure you've read this before: if you can read this, thank a teacher. if you can read this in English, thank a soldier.

and now a question to you: why are you here? if America is not better why did you come here? I'm not so much interested in fighting for america as I am leaving all those other countries alone and focusing on our own social problems. let the shites and 'whatever the fuck there are' sort out their own problems with out us etc...

Originally Posted by Peacemaker (Post 14926233)

30%? that would be a lot indeed. but i dont think your value is correct or? :)

i am runing my own small biz, and last year i had to pay arround 31% (of my income) to our goverment (taxes). i know how it feels :]

Originally Posted by JP-pornshooter (Post 14926227)

I dont remember Powell being very political until he left the Bush administration, before that he was very "military correct".
And I do belive Powell has really valid and good reasons to go with Obama, all i am saying is that the fact they are both "black" probably made the decision easier for Powell.
It can not be ruled out that "skin color" on some level, consciously or not could play a factor in Powell's decision process..

Originally Posted by cwd (Post 14926239)

Promises and accomplishments do not always seem to be linked when it comes to Presidents.You can look at what our current President promised in his debates in 2000 with Gore (http://www.debates.org/pages/trans2000a.html) and see that. I am sure you can go further and check each and every Presidents past promises and see how much have actually been kept. In order for a democracy to work the voters must be responsible for finding the facts of the candidates proposals and to then vote based on their beliefs and how each candidate relates to those beliefs. Its often hard to get past the ads and accusations that are on our televisions, radios, computers, phones...but simply voting because one side is louder than the other is not right. Until more Americans start to vote (2004=56.69% 2000=51.31% 1996=49.08% 1992=55.09% 1988=50.11% 1984=53.11%, etc...) and continue holding those elected accountable for their actions there will be no real change in our nationall politics. Get informed and vote, it is each of our responsiblities.

Originally Posted by pussyserver (Post 14926215)

I am sure you know this fact... but why do you insist on smudging the facts and making it to look like something that it is not?

Originally Posted by JP-pornshooter (Post 14926320)

In a way I think America is to the world what California is to America.

Originally Posted by bm bradley (Post 14926361)

great analogy. one thing to consider though. California is nothing like LA :)

Originally Posted by JP-pornshooter (Post 14926381)

Right and i was thinking that also, but California is a place where the rest of US somehow think the grass is greener, there are streets lined with palm trees, nice homes and great jobs etc etc. Perception does not equal reality.

Originally Posted by Wizzo (Post 14926346)

As for the tax issue, Dems will control congress so McCain's tax plan won't go anywhere and they may even have enough seats to pass their own tax plan without his signature. ;)

Originally Posted by Wizzo (Post 14925915)

I think Gen. Powell makes the case pretty well on which would best and why, without using all the 8th grade smear tactics that have become so common in politics.

Originally Posted by Wizzo (Post 14925915)

I think Gen. Powell makes the case pretty well on which would best and why, without using all the 8th grade smear tactics that have become so common in politics.

Originally Posted by Ambergirl (Post 14926549)

My vote is for the guy most likely to adopt the Fair Tax plan:

www.fairtax.org

It eliminates income tax, social security tax, medicare tax and payroll tax..and eliminates the IRS completely. And moves the country to a consumption tax only.

Originally Posted by Ambergirl (Post 14926549)

My vote is for the guy most likely to adopt the Fair Tax plan:

www.fairtax.org

It eliminates income tax, social security tax, medicare tax and payroll tax..and eliminates the IRS completely. And moves the country to a consumption tax only.

Originally Posted by notoldschool (Post 14926648)

The question is who would you rather run YOUR biz?
Obama/Biden

The former president of harvard law as well as a proven uniter who works with all people rich or poor.
A VP who is an expert in foreign affiars and is a stable family man who doesnt have millions in the bank.

Mccain/Palin

A self proclaimed Maverick, who has always displayed poor discipline during his time as a poorly rated officer, a hot head who his own supporters have publicly stated that the thought of him having his hand on the button scares them to death. One of the WORST students the academy was lucky enough to try and teach, a horrible fighter pilot who didnt take commands from the tower and crashed his plane multiple times, who has one of the most dangerous types of cancer at age 72, and that brings us to his great choice for VP

Sarah Palin is not worth my time to explain how many problems are clearly visible with her running the entire USA. If your brain dead enough to believe she can sucessfully run our country I have a bridge in Alasaka you might want to buy.

For MY biz I go with the smart guy EVERY time.

Originally Posted by tony404 (Post 14926638)

I got one for you that considering most here work in adult really have to look at. Chances are the next president will pick to supreme court justices, that could effect your business big time.
For someone make $280k I read it would be an extra $770 dollars in taxes. If that runs someone out of business, then taxes weren't their problem. Why do you think Larry Flynt votes Democrat? He is a very rich man,its because he knows first hand the history of porn.
Also trickle down doesn't work, during W more wealth has been created but wages dropped and unemployment was down. Its the middle class that buys our goods and services in the largest numbers.

Originally Posted by mikesouth (Post 14926710)

For those like bmb I would strongly urge you to consider voting for a third party...Libertarian is my choice of course.

I think most of you would look at the Libertarian platform and find that all in all its the closest to what you agree with but all that aside if you are ina swing state like Ohio or Florida you will find that vote is highly coveted and giving it to a party that more closely represents your ideas forces candidates in both parties to take you way more seriously in the future.

If you look at the numbers it always boils down to this

You have 40% of the people who will vote Republican no matter what
40% will vote democrat no matter what

that leaves 20% that really swings the election one way or the other, when you have third parties sucking away those votes in doublr digit percentage points like ross perot did you have a very strong voice in that third party (why do you think the republicans jumped on so many of perots ideas (contract with america) etc?

If you really want change it isnt going to come from voting for obama or mccain thats voting for the status quo.

send a message vote third party anywhere you can and vote against the incumbent everywhere else.

Originally Posted by GregE (Post 14926788)

What he said, plus:

1. Obama has gone on record as opposing censorship. Odds are better than even therefore that he'll call the dogs off the industry.
2. Obama is for net neutrality, McCain isn't.
3. Phil Gramm has never been associated with Obama's campaign.

Originally Posted by bm bradley (Post 14926805)

who's phil gramm?

Originally Posted by GregE (Post 14926822)

Originally Posted by bm bradley (Post 14926801)

if everyone would vote there would be a chance for a third party to win, now it just dumps votes from mccain more than likely. I agree the choices aren't that great, and usually aren't unless you're a 'polorized' personality.

Originally Posted by mikesouth (Post 14928066)

actually no my second choice would be obama, Im in a state that has recently become "in play" as well so my vote for Bob Barr actually hurts Obama way more than it does McCain, who because of Sarah Palin would never in a million years get my vote.

Do you really want a 17 y/o unwed mother roaming the west wing of the white house?

Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks (Post 14928468)

If big government is the enemy, then Democrats won't make things better.

Originally Posted by DaddyHalbucks (Post 14928468)

If big government is the enemy, then Democrats won't make things better.

Originally Posted by psili (Post 14928134)

I think I read your posts wrong: You'll vote a 3rd party candidate, which hurts Obama, even though you'd rather have Obama than McCain?

Originally Posted by bm bradley (Post 14925611)

so if you're just a 'flametard' you can pass on this thread pls.

I'm thinking about the candidates for prez and to be honest I'm not really that impressed with either choice. and here's why: they never do a damn thing they say they're gonna do anyway.

now obama says, hey fuck iraq, I'll get the troops home. the reality is it might take him 2 years to get that to happen so it's just bullshit from the jump every time he pops with that. in actuality I doubt if he can get them home any quicker than mc cain.

the jesus bullshit: mc cain has that nut palin for some reason, who knows the real reason for that, and obama was brought up in a white hating black church. he''s got just as many roots in the hard christian right as anybody. who knows what mc cain really thinks.

so now how about experience: mc cain has plenty of connections and experience with biz and goverment, i.e. making shit happen. nothing gets done with out that. sorry, that's just the damn truth of the way it is. now obama has biden, that fucking guy is locked into the whole machine and has been for years.

so right now I'm not seeing any clear advantage with 'political' connections. the only real difference I'm seeing is one guy is taller with a great tan. what's your thinking?

pls no hysteria about gov/big biz/oil money pls... grow the fuck up. that's just the true facts of life and it ain't gonna change in november, no matter who wins. if you think it will you have bigger probs than hanging at GFY :)

-bmb

Originally Posted by mikesouth (Post 14928726)

no you read it right. Im not going to waste my vote by voting for someone who only wants to fuck me, that includes Obama and McCain My vote is going to the party that has EARNED it, the Libertarians. if you wish to waste your vote on more of the same be my guest.
Im not going to vote for the lesser of two shit heads.

Originally Posted by EonBlue (Post 14928950)

Some food for thought:

Get Ready for the New New Deal

A Liberal Supermajority

Obama to Declare Carbon Dioxide Dangerous Pollutant

That last one is going to hurt - whether you make $20 a year or $250,000 a year.