looooool

so many things completely wrong w/ this i cant even begin

16,000 ppl are killed in the US each year, 12,000 gun deaths. over 50x higher than the next country on the list. must b because we have a quarter billion guns, WERE NOT ARMED WELL ENOUGH WE NEED MORE TO STOP ALL THIS SENSELESS KILLING!!!!!!

the problem isnt guns, jews and ethnic albanians didnt die because they werent well armed enough. palestinians have high powered assault rifles and check out the comparative death toll in israel.

problem is the US is out of control, partially due to the mentalities of gun nuts. u have a 1 in 700 chance of dying when u get in a car, i dont see people saying we need more cars 2 protect ourselves, or bigger cars full of packing peanuts

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gun argument has an always will be stupid, mayb if we had less than 1 gun per citizen in this country

12Clicks... you're not even reading my posts based on the replies you're giving.
You are obviously a card-carrying NRA member or at least you want to be. I'm fine with that. The NRA and their rights to bear arms has significant sway in the US. Pseudo control of municipal, state, and even federal authorites. Maybe Charleton Heston is the real president of the US... who knows.

I'm not going to repeat myself over and over, all you have to do to see where I stand is to scroll up a bit.

You're damn right there's a social situation which creates the fear of being agressed or attacked -- and unfortunately, it's because I have XX chromosomes instead of XY. There are always going to be sick fuckers out there who think the presence of a hahahaha upon my body gives them license to want, take, have -- against my will or not.

It's different for women, in a way that men can't understand -- every time I walk out of my house, I am leaving myself vulnerable to the possibility that I will be raped, murdered, whatever. That doesn't mean that I'm a militant, that I think that all men are rapist scum...but unfortunately, there ARE men who rape and kill. You hear about it all the time -- open up any paper, turn on any news channel.

You can't even feel safe in your own home. I've been the victim of sexual violence, and it was in my childhood home.

Knowing what I know, having seen what I have seen...I would rather have a gun and NOT need it. I would rather have the means to protect myself and my family rather than wish later on that I had been able to defend myself. I'm not going to lie and say that I could defend myself empty-handed -- I'm strong, I lift weights and work out, but I am never going to have the muscle mass of a man, and I'm never going to have the skills to defend myself against someone who tops my height by a foot or more. I might be able to cause some damage -- he'd have to get skin grafts to repair the gouges in his cheeks, and the police could just look for a guy walking hunched over because I tried to rip his balls off -- but I like the way a gun, and my determination to use it properly, evens up the odds.

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Chris, you position is very clear. it just happends to have no basis in truth.
its ok to fear things irrationally. Most people do.
For me its scorpions.

And then you went on to prove none of it wrong. ahahahahahahah

Excuse me. Before you continue spouting sheer ignorance, why don't you go back a page or two and check out the links I posted. Educate yourself. See what caused 66% of those gun deaths.

I have been working, so I didn't get back quick to you. Well, when you hunt dangerous game that is large you would use a .50 Cal Nitro Mag...Kodiak Bear, Cape Buffalo are the two that I used with it. Really any animal that has a large amount of mass.

Most bullets have a very rapid expansion factor on impact and don't work on animals that have a lot of thick mass. Cape Buffalo kill more people in Africa than any other species. They are very aggressive.

Most of the large bore rifles are either bolt action or double barrelled to avoid jamming in a tight situation and utilize large rounded full metal jacket bullets. It is about like shooting a small canon. Not a pleasant gun to sight-in, to say the least.

You could also use it to hunt elephants or rhinos, I do not hunt those particular species for personal reasons.

Hope that answers you question

I would have to agree with you. As soon as prohibition ended, the mob had to turn to gambling and prostitutes to make a living :)

56.5, 66, whats the difference. maybe u need a little class in reading comprehension, I said GUN DEATHS. not murders. does it matter how they die, we r discussing the enabling factor in those deaths; guns.

so ur saying that its actually widespread depression that is our countrys problem and not the # of guns available to people. Hungary has the highest suicide rate per capita, Japan has 2x the teen suicides we do. want 2 look at their #s of gun deaths comparitively?

even if it were 66 and we had only 4,000 gun MURDERS that'd be 10-15x the next country on the list. but hey it must not be a problem becuz im ignorant and u have extreme attention to detail.

and yes, i excuse your ignorance.

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The United States has always been a violent nation. For fuck's aske, we had to shoot a shitload of British people to start this country (nevermind the Indians we wiped out with venerial disease). We've always had to fight for everything....

Fuck, our national anthem glorifies war. Everyone else sings about how beautiful their piece of dirt is while we brag about blowing shit up.

While I agree gun owners should be properly trained and licensed, look at how many people have dirver's licenses yet are a danger on the roads. I feel much safer with my kid being around a gun than the Spaghetti Bowl (the fucked up mess that is I-15 metts US95 here in Vegas) at rush hour.

Guns aren't the only answer to assuring a safe home, but they can be a valuable addition. As far as where we "choose" to live, there have been home invasions here in GOOD neighborhoods. Home Invasion robberies are on the rise and believe me, some of this shit would stop if one of these motherfuckers rushed a door to find a loaded gun pointed at their fucking face. (sorry, I'm a little touchy, as there was a home invasion next door to a friend's place...and believe me, his stance on guns changed after his neighbor was shook up like that). There are certain realities we have to face, one being that we live in a more violent society.

The reason there are more gun deaths in The United States is because there are more guns. If a criminal wants to rob a store, a gun isn't that hard to get (and if Wal-Mart stops selling guns, then you can sure as fuck bank on Paco the gundealer down the street having an ample supply). No one WANTS to shoot a fucking intruder or take a human life, but when it's your life vs. their life...fuck them...they lose that right to life when they enter someone else's home with intent to take something.

An interesting thing Micheal Moore and another who's name escapes me, said on Oprah (my wife watches that fucking show, god I hate Oprah) that violence is also reported on the news more. So, the wacko motherfuck that shoots up his school gets 2 months worth of coverage, but the average gun owner who goes about his daily life without incident, is obviously not news.

My daughter was student of the month at her school for October and no news but some kid getting expelled for taking a knife to school gets on the evening news. So, stop watching the news so damn much.

Actually, I like the fact other countries see us as a bunch of gun toting rednecks who shoot first and ask questions later....remember, the only aggression against us was a couple taliban boogeymen ramming planes into buildings, because no one would dare just invade us....


See, 12clicks, I'm not a total peacenik? ;)


While some people only recently "discovered" their patriotism in the Fall months of 2001, I've always been proud to live in a country of such freedoms. Even with the shrinking civil liberties we're faced with, it still beats anywhere else....

This discussion has had me thinking and tomorrow my wife gets signed up for a gun course.....

I often teach the NRA gun safety course and it is an excellent introduction into how to properly handle, clean and maintain your guns.

When I was a kid, the first year I got to go hunting, I was allowed to carry a shotgun, but it was not loaded. Everytime I inadvertadly pointed at someone, I was made aware of it vociferously. It was a great learning experience.

In the gun safety course, we teach people to never use a gun in self defense until you run out of options. Talking your way out, running to a neighbors house...anything but use a gun. In the event those options are unavailable and you do pull your gun, you had better be prepared to use it. The statistics show that many criminals shoot their victims with their own guns.

I also teach one of the NRA pistol shooting courses, and if you own a gun, constant practice will inprove your safety factor immensely. Far too many people buy a gun, load it, and tuck it under the bed. If they are ever forced to use it, they generally lack the skill and experience to use it properly. There are shooting leagues, indoor shooting ranges that you can go to for a nomimal fee and learn your own capabilities along with the guns capabilites and become proficient in their use.

I also get a kick when someone shoots a .44 Mag for the first time, it's not like the Dirty Harry movies. The noise and recoil, even with proper ear protection scares the shit out of a guy the first time they use it.

If you choose to own a gun, learn how to use it from someone that is very experienced. You can also go to any shooting range, and they will have all the NRA gun courses posted. Sign up for one and learn how to use a gun the right way. Training and education greatly reduce gun related accidents. Believe me, nothing is scarier than popping a cap on a pistol and you know it's loaded, and nothing happens. A "hung fired" bullet has certain procedures that you should follow. Most people haven't the slightest idea what to do, they usually rush to get the bullet out. POW

letshunt.... What would you say is the % of gun owners in the US who haven't got a clue how the firearm works, and barely know how to load, clean, and fire it? My guess would be a high number.

but then, this whole thread is about your*guesses*
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hahaha I have a friend of mine that has a little scare right between the eyes from shooting a .44

one day at the range one of his buddies asked if he wanted to shot "a real gun". So he picked it up and fired it one handed, tryin to be billy bad ass,before anyone could stop him.
needless to say he had one hellva headache and a big cut afterwards hahah - I thought it was funny as hell because he's a little on the cocky side

I dont think he's been back to range since

Or a ice pick to the throat or groin?

:smokin

Stay on topic. I see you have a problem doing that.
Bring something useful to a thread for a change. You have something to say.... back it up.
Most of what I'm posting in here is how I feel, or my view on the subject matter. If you don't like it too bad. If you think it's wrong, then tell us why.

Some people on this thread seem to not fully comprehand the their 2nd Amendmant rights and those that fought to give that right by the Constitution.

Guns dont kill its the idiots behind the gun that kill.

12clicks-

My experience with teaching NRA courses has been, at times, frustrating. About half, and yes that is a guess, are testosterone poisoned wannabees who come to class dressed in military fatigues and talk about forming militia's and the like.

I try to be supportive, but generally they are non military guys trying to enlarge their penis. I generally ask if anyone of them has ever been in a firefight...no I ask them if they have ever seen anyone shot...no I ask them if they have ever been threatened to the point they thought they needed to use a guy...no. I tell them I have, and still have bad dreams about it, there is nothing romantic about war and war operations. Usually it is a penis thing, a sort of statement about their machismo. These are the guys that need to learn the most discipline with weapons...I don't suppose we could administer an IQ test to own a gun, but my guess this group would score low. On the other hand, they are usually pretty harmless, they by a whole bunch of guns and show them to everyone that comes to their house and that is about it. They seem to want to be in the genre' as opposed to competing in leagues, or practice shooting...you usually just see them hanging around the range, very rarely, however, do you seem them actually practicing...I suppose the targets are pretty safe with these guys...saves them alot of money. hehehe

The other half are usually fathers with their sons, and are earnest in learning the material. They are usually legitimate hunters who want to spend time in the field and learn proper technique. Like how to climb over a fence with a gun...or things as basic as how to operate the weapon. I get a great deal of satisfaction from help these individuals.

If they are going to buy a handgun, I almost always recommend they start with a revovler. A Colt Python is probably a great choice, it's well made, shoots .38 or.357 and won't let you down. It is also far safer than an auto loader, your average novice isn't ready for a Glock or Baretta...to many things go wrong. Like how to clear the bolt...there a bullet in there, you know.

I also recommend, if they are going to use the gun for self defense, that they purchase safety slugs instead of hot rounds. Safety slugs won't penetrate walls, but they will do a tremendous amount of damage to an individual. Many shooting accidents occur when individuals start shoot their 9mm and don't realize it will blow through the wall and kill anything on the other side.

If I could convince everyone in the world to treat every gun like it is always loaded, to practice and learn your limitations and the guns limitations....alot of lives would be saved.

Finally, there are some excellent pistol safes that can be easily and quickly opened to keep your gun in...I keep such a safe under my bed. An unprotected loaded gun is an accident waiting to happen and they do...through sheer irresponsibility. It's a fact.

Redshift-

In Illinois we have a pistol deer season, and I have always used a Ruger Super Redhawk .44. It pushes about 800 ft/lbs of energy at the muzzle and is good for about a fifty yard shot.

Well, I got to reading about .50 Desert Eagle the Israelis use and that, when scoped, you have about a hundred yard range. It pushes a whooping 1500 ft/lbs at the muzzle. I had to have one.

So the first time I shot it, was one night after a days hunt and it was getting dark. We were around the campfire, and had just eaten. So, I thought I would take a few test shots and familiarize myself with it's characteristics.

It has a two stage trigger, I had read up on all it's features, except shooting it. My first shot changed my life, as God is my witness I thought the fucking thing blew up. My fellow hunters reported the muzzle blast was visable for a good ten feet and I was checking my fingers to make sure I still had them all.

We laughed out asses off, my goodness what a powerful gun. I handle pretty well now...but that first shot scared the shit out of me...and I have shot an awful lot of guns.

Evil Chris-

Most people don't know how to handle a gun. I have a group of three guys that I hunt with...we have tried to add other people to the group but usually tell them to go home after a few hunts. They just don't have the field experience or gun knowledge to hunt.

Incidentally, all three of the guys I hunt went all are ex special forces guys...different tactical units. The fact is, I have to trust them with my life and they have proved for more than ten years I can.

Incidently, one of the recruits was so bad he became convinced one of my bird dogs was a coyote...its' a German Shorthair Pointer...and began blasting away at it. The dog only took a few pellets. The hunter took the butt of my gun to his forehead.

To answer your question, most guys that grew up in rural area's are great with guns, most city guys haven't got a clue. I don't know what the percentage would be of people that are incapable of operating a gun...but it would be up there.

interesting story here:
http://www.keepandbeararms.com/infor...em.asp?ID=1592

My dad sometimes gets people bringing him a paper sack or a box with the pieces of their gun inside -- and they invariably tell him that they took it apart to clean it but they're "too busy to put it back together."

In other words, once they got the fucking thing broken down, they didn't know what part went where. :1orglaugh

hahaha. I'm right on topic. you make wild guesses and statments you can't back up. I posted exactly why you were wrong at the begining of this page and you ignored it because I was right.

As I said before, its ok to have an irrational fear about things but please, don't be mad when you're laughed at over it.
Thank God you're canadian. :1orglaugh

Well, I can tell you for sure that having extra parts after you reassemble your gun after cleaning is a very bad sign.

Considering that there are in the hundreds of millions of guns owned in this country, gun accidents represent a infitesimaly small number, as do murders committed with guns. There are more people killed in auto accidents each year, than there are people killed by guns. So called assault rifles are used in less than one percent of crimes invovling guns. So called "Saturday night" specials are responsible for an over whemling majority of shootings. These are the cheaper handguns. I have owned guns since I was a kid. I would be like the slogan. The only way you will get my gun/guns is by prying it from my cold dead hand.

ummm....yeah :1orglaugh

Hmmm pardon me for being literate, 12Clicks... But, where did I say I had irrational fears? Oh, and where did I make wild guesses and statements that I can't back up? Would you mind quoting me please? There's a handy QUOTE option here on the board.

I agree with this - my daddy bought me my first gun at 7 yrs of age, a 410 shotgun. So as you can see i grew up with guns in my life.

http://gofuckyourself.com/showthread...threadid=82277

check the poll.

hah i forgot about my post!

*I* said you have irrational fears. you do.


Gladly. here you go Mr. Literate:1orglaugh

wild guess or statement you can't back up

irrational fear
statement you can't back up with facts.

statement you can't back up with facts.

wild guess or statement you can't back up


statement you can't back up with facts.

Childish statement you can't back up with facts.
wild guess with NO basis in fact.

Or maybe the word "fact" means something different in canada.
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What does it prove?

12Clicks... thanks but what is it that you're smokin?

Did you happen to notice that I'm expressing my point of view, and not attempting to state facts? You seem to be pointing the finger at me. Accusing me of waving false facts about firearms in this thread.

Did ya notice the interrogation mark at the end of some of my posts? <-- like that one!
They're called questions! Questions stimulate the thought process and encourage verbal (or typed) dialogue! Cool huh?
Let's see if you can do it too!

What about this...ever thought of it?

"I kill you smoke a blunt and forget where I put ya" - Fate I think...off Ludacris's album.

Translation: Let me throw up a smoke screen since my bluff has been called.:1orglaugh

Translation... You can't find the dictionary that would enable you to understand my posts.
Whoops sorry... should I only use words with 2 syllables or less?
:winkwink:

there's a horse shit dictionary now?
who knew?:1orglaugh