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Tom_PM · 10-16-2008, 10:47 AM

I also dont like the notion of one party in power. We had that with Bush for 6 freaking years. The worst 6 I can remember

I've often said the american voter is like the student driver. Here we go overcorrecting. But blame the term lengths too, because so much outrage over the GOP was expressed in 06, and it's still happening now in 08. If Pelosi had the guts to have impeached, it'd be very different right now. Not that that would have been a good move, I'm just saying it would have alleviated some of the pressure.

GatorB · 10-16-2008, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Kevin-SFBucks

I just can't fathom one party having ALL the power in the country.

Can't fathom? That's what we had from 2001-2007. Unlike Bush I think McCain could work with the democrats. Hopefully if he wins this neo-con crap he's been pulling so he can't get the republican base is just an act and once he's in charge he goes back to being the McCain of 2000. He does have some stupid ideas though and contridictions.

Ayla_SquareTurtle · 10-16-2008, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by selena

But there was no overlooking the disrespectful huffing, puffing, and stuff that bordered on eye rolling when Obama spoke.

I wonder if he is really so immature that he can't keep his emotions in check and sit there respectfully, or if he's just playing to the part of his support base which gets off on that kind of shit.

tranza · 10-16-2008, 11:46 AM

Polls everywhere are pretty much showing that Obama won.......

Fletch XXX · 10-16-2008, 11:47 AM

Body Language 101.

People telling lies will often blink like crazy.

McCain blinked way too much to be telling the truth last night. http://www.congratstothewinners.com/

Snake Doctor · 10-16-2008, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Axeman

Either way in the times we have now, there is no way either of these guys gets a 2nd term.

I think that's more wishful thinking on your part (Hillary in 2012) than anything based in reality.

The general nature of the business cycle suggests that the economy will be growing at a healthy rate in 2012. Presidents running for reelection with a strong economy rarely lose.

The last two presidents to only serve one term were running for reelection during a recession.

Axeman · 10-16-2008, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Snake Doctor

I think that's more wishful thinking on your part (Hillary in 2012) than anything based in reality.

The general nature of the business cycle suggests that the economy will be growing at a healthy rate in 2012. Presidents running for reelection with a strong economy rarely lose.

The last two presidents to only serve one term were running for reelection during a recession.

If Barrack loses it will be because the Democrats went power hungry with the zero checks and balances for the first 2 years so no matter what Hillary can't run in 2012 and win. Obama is the incumbent to start with.

If its MCain he will be 4 years older and be the president of economy that will be rough on the country for his first couple years. No way at 76/77 he gets a 2nd term.

Snake Doctor · 10-16-2008, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Kevin-SFBucks

A nice thought except the grunt work no one wants to do is that way for a reason. How can you justify the value of that work outweighs the fact that the people most qualified to perform it are the ones that decided a long time ago that they weren't interested in pursuing the criteria necessary to attain other more interesting/acceptable employment?

The fact is, we have bred a population of people who believe they are really worth more than they are. Natural Selection has been thrown out the door and replaced by the US Welfare System (in its many forms and disguises), of which minimum wage and it's discussion is a huge part.

The last time I personally cared about minimum wage was in 1986 when I was 14 (what, it was $2/hr?). I was happy to get it then. By the time I was 18, minimum wage was like $3.25/hr and I was going to college and making $8/hr. I worked and took jobs that paid me more so I could get qualifications to make more money. Where the fuck do all these people that expect handouts and protections come from? Who taught them core values that exclude doing better for yourself everyday? This seriously perplexes me and makes me wonder where we are going as a nation.

I disagree with your premise that people at the bottom of the income scale made a conscious decision to not pursue better jobs or careers....but, that's not the reason for a minimum wage.

We have a system in which it is better for the overall stability of the economy to have at least 4% of people who want a job unemployed. If unemployment drops below that rate, the powers that be do everything in their power to slow down the economy, because too low of an unemployment rate puts upward pressure on wages, and can become highly inflationary.
This happened in the late 1990's when Greenspan raised rates 17 consecutive times.

We learned in the 1970's that the inflation toothpaste is really difficult to put back in the tube once it gets started, so we create a surplus of "human capital" to prevent inflation from getting out of control.

Now that your eyes have glazed over, I'll get to the point. Since the powers that be create a constant surplus of workers, it's impossible for wages at the bottom to be controlled by supply and demand. There's always an excess of supply, so those wages would always drop if allowed to go unchecked.

IF you're going to have a system like this, then it also needs to include a floor for wages, since the regular rules of supply and demand don't apply. That's why we have a minimum wage and also why it should be set at or above the poverty level.

Snake Doctor · 10-16-2008, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Axeman

If Barrack loses it will be because the Democrats went power hungry with the zero checks and balances for the first 2 years so no matter what Hillary can't run in 2012 and win. Obama is the incumbent to start with.

If its MCain he will be 4 years older and be the president of economy that will be rough on the country for his first couple years. No way at 76/77 he gets a 2nd term.

Well I agree about McCain because of his age.....BUT, the democrats seemed to overreach during Clinton's first term, and they paid for it in the midterm elections....but Clinton used that to his advantage to win a 2nd term.

Barack's fate isn't tied to that of congressional democrats in 2012. In the oval office, you make your own luck.

FWIW, Barack will have alot more control over congressional democrats than Clinton did, because Clinton never won a majority of the popular vote and never had that "mandate".

SoloGirlsContent · 10-16-2008, 12:41 PM

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