Who's got the dumbest coach in the NFL?

[Penthouse Tony]

My Niners threw a challenge flag for a field goal. Can your team's coach top that?

[webdeke]

Down 10-8 vs the pitiful Lions after scoring an 4th quarter touchdown, he elects to go for the extra point instead of trying a 2-point conversion. What the hell is the difference between losing 10-8 or 10-9? The extra point was meaningless at that point, go for 2 and at least have a chance to tie the game. A couple weeks back he punted with like 3 minutes to go in the game and Vikes trailing by less than two touchdowns. He's an idiot and definitely not a leader of men...

[WebairChris]

The Cardinals coach definitely got his ass saved when they won in overtime. But you see that dumb move he made when he called time out when Dallas missed the first field goal to tie the game? He is real lucky they ended up winning or else he would have gotten burned for that

[Penthouse Tony]

Originally Posted by WebairChris

The Cardinals coach definitely got his ass saved when they won in overtime. But you see that dumb move he made when he called time out when Dallas missed the first field goal to tie the game? He is real lucky they ended up winning or else he would have gotten burned for that

He was trying to ice the kicker. He called time out before the snap.

[WhiplashDug]

I have the trump card on this thread...... I raise you one coach for a Owner!
I can't believe this guys still making the calls!




I mean, I've been a RAIDER fan since I knew what football was and always will. I am grateful for everything Al has done for the NFL, its players and the franchise. But, at some point, you get to a stage in life when you just don't have the capacity to make the best decisions. Unfortunately for the Raider Nation... that's the current state of affairs in Raider land.

[WhiplashDug]

Originally Posted by Sagi_AFF

My Niners threw a challenge flag for a field goal. Can your team's coach top that?

Well - at 9'ers players are over-achievers. I'd rather loose playing better than we are - than loose playing bewildered.

[sltr]

i agree with all the nominations thus far!

cept for whisenhunt/cardinals, that's a mike shanihan shenanigan that has proven to ice the kicker pretty good, it was just bad luck (?) it was blocked.

[WhiplashDug]

Originally Posted by sltr

i agree with all the nominations thus far!

cept for whisenhunt/cardinals, that's a mike shanihan shenanigan that has proven to ice the kicker pretty good, it was just bad luck (?) it was blocked.

Very true!!! Whisenhunt is a fantastic coach! Show's how brilliant he is to have told Al Davis to piss off back when Chucky left.


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[96ukssob]

Originally Posted by WebairChris

The Cardinals coach definitely got his ass saved when they won in overtime. But you see that dumb move he made when he called time out when Dallas missed the first field goal to tie the game? He is real lucky they ended up winning or else he would have gotten burned for that

that would of been really bad if they lost. I couldnt believe he did that and not to mention that is not an easy kick at all... hes just really lucky

[farkedup]

Minnesota is the second most talented team in the league UNFORTUNATELY they have a shitty coach and nobody to play QB. put Favre on that team and they're undefeated and on the way to the SB... Favre can overcome shitty coaches by calling audibles. I REALLY wish he's call more Jets audibles because he has more NFL experience than his coach.

[GatorB]

Originally Posted by Sagi_AFF

He was trying to ice the kicker. He called time out before the snap.

it's still dumb. Show me the % on where icing the kicker actually works.

[Sosa]

Originally Posted by Sagi_AFF

My Niners threw a challenge flag for a field goal. Can your team's coach top that?

He shouldn't have even been allowed to challenge the play. Refs should have told him that.

[sltr]

Originally Posted by GatorB

it's still dumb. Show me the % on where icing the kicker actually works.

What do the data say? Here's Science News' summary of a recent analysis of icing by Scott Berry and Craig Wood in Chance.
Berry and Wood analyzed data about field goal attempts during the 2002 and 2003 NFL seasons (including playoffs). They recorded the kicker, the length of the kick, the score of the game, the time left in the game, and whether a timeout was called by the defense before the kick. They even noted whether the field was grass or artificial turf and the weather conditions (sun, clouds, rain, snow, average wind speed, temperature--—unless the games were indoors).

In these two seasons, there were 52 different field goal kickers, combining for a total of 2,003 attempts. Of these kicks, 1,565 (78.1 percent) were successful.

Berry and Wood then looked at what they defined as "pressure" kicks--—those that occurred with 3 minutes or less remaining in the game (or overtime) and would create a lead or a tie for the team attempting the kick.

There were 139 such pressure kicks, and 101 (73 percent) were successful. The defense called a timeout 38 times before the pressure kick, and 24 (63 percent) of these kicks succeeded.
Berry and Wood also estimate a probability model which allows for the influence of factors like weather to be captured. The results appear sensible, and the "icing effect" remains.
A kick made indoors is more likely to be successful. Clouds also have a small beneficial effect on kicks. Rain or snow, on the other hand, reduces the chances of success. High winds also reduce the probability of success, but not as much as rain or snow.

In pressure situations, the odds of success change very little (a mean decrease of 1.8 percent). However, icing the kicker in such a situation has a pretty strong negative effect.

Using their model, Berry and Wood calculate that, for an average kicker, the estimated probability of a successful 40-yard kick in sunny weather is 0.759. The estimated probability under the same conditions for an average kicker who has been iced is 0.659. "Reducing the probability of a successful kick from 0.759 to 0.659 is a very important difference," Berry and Wood report.

[Penthouse Tony]

Originally Posted by GatorB

it's still dumb. Show me the % on where icing the kicker actually works.

It's not like no one does it. Many other coaches try this. Sometime it works sometimes it doesn't. Besides maybe the kick was blocked because some of the lineman pulled up early when they heard the whistle. The kickers are told to follow through so they don't pull a muscle trying to stop but if the line let up then it's easy to block from that distance.

[Penthouse Tony]

Originally Posted by Sosa

He shouldn't have even been allowed to challenge the play. Refs should have told him that.

Yeah but it's not their job to educate him on game day. Besides he threw the challenge flag so he had to challenge something at that point, right?

[stever]

childress is the worst coach by far
this guy is terrible

[TubeTitans_SusieQ]

After the pats loss last night I felt like cutting myself.....what a disgrace lately

[GatorB]

Originally Posted by sltr

What do the data say? Here's Science News' summary of a recent analysis of icing by Scott Berry and Craig Wood in Chance.
Berry and Wood analyzed data about field goal attempts during the 2002 and 2003 NFL seasons (including playoffs). They recorded the kicker, the length of the kick, the score of the game, the time left in the game, and whether a timeout was called by the defense before the kick. They even noted whether the field was grass or artificial turf and the weather conditions (sun, clouds, rain, snow, average wind speed, temperature--?unless the games were indoors).

In these two seasons, there were 52 different field goal kickers, combining for a total of 2,003 attempts. Of these kicks, 1,565 (78.1 percent) were successful.

Berry and Wood then looked at what they defined as "pressure" kicks--?those that occurred with 3 minutes or less remaining in the game (or overtime) and would create a lead or a tie for the team attempting the kick.

There were 139 such pressure kicks, and 101 (73 percent) were successful. The defense called a timeout 38 times before the pressure kick, and 24 (63 percent) of these kicks succeeded.
Berry and Wood also estimate a probability model which allows for the influence of factors like weather to be captured. The results appear sensible, and the "icing effect" remains.
A kick made indoors is more likely to be successful. Clouds also have a small beneficial effect on kicks. Rain or snow, on the other hand, reduces the chances of success. High winds also reduce the probability of success, but not as much as rain or snow.

In pressure situations, the odds of success change very little (a mean decrease of 1.8 percent). However, icing the kicker in such a situation has a pretty strong negative effect.

Using their model, Berry and Wood calculate that, for an average kicker, the estimated probability of a successful 40-yard kick in sunny weather is 0.759. The estimated probability under the same conditions for an average kicker who has been iced is 0.659. "Reducing the probability of a successful kick from 0.759 to 0.659 is a very important difference," Berry and Wood report.

That's nice and all but appearantly those stats don't take into account the number of times a kickers MISSED his first kicked then got a 2nd chance to make another kick because he was "iced" but kicked before the timeout was called and made the 2nd kick. Nearly eveytime I see a kicker miss a FG but then it doesn't count because a TO was called before the kick the kicker makes the 2nd kick nearly 100% of the time.

[sltr]

Originally Posted by GatorB

That's nice and all but appearantly those stats don't take into account the number of times a kickers MISSED his first kicked then got a 2nd chance to make another kick because he was "iced" but kicked before the timeout was called and made the 2nd kick. Nearly eveytime I see a kicker miss a FG but then it doesn't count because a TO was called before the kick the kicker makes the 2nd kick nearly 100% of the time.

it's compelling evidence, not conclusive.

either way, i prefer frosting over icing any day.

[Snake Doctor]

Don't get me started on dumb coaches.

My dolphins are still trying to get over Cam Cameron.

[J. Falcon]

Originally Posted by Sagi_AFF

My Niners threw a challenge flag for a field goal. Can your team's coach top that?

Field goals can be challenged this year.

[duff]

Originally Posted by farkedup

Minnesota is the second most talented team in the league UNFORTUNATELY they have a shitty coach and nobody to play QB. put Favre on that team and they're undefeated and on the way to the SB... Favre can overcome shitty coaches by calling audibles. I REALLY wish he's call more Jets audibles because he has more NFL experience than his coach.

Couldn't agree with you more. The coach should be the next guy to go... not sure if it'll happen this year or not. Anybody who actually still believes in Tarvaris Jackson as a starting quarterback isn't fit to coach an NFL team.

[Penthouse Tony]

Originally Posted by J. Falcon

Field goals can be challenged this year.

I think only if they hit the pole. Besides the line judge is standing right there looking up. What are the odds he didn't get as good a look as Nolan did?

[Adult Insider Dave]

Minnesota hands down. Childress is incompitent. And actually andy reid said it a few weeks ago "It's nice to finally have a competant offensive coordinator". Childress was Andy offensive coordinator a few years back.

I live in Minneapolis and until this year went to every game. I watched childress mis-manage the clock countless times among other things. This year, he takes out our best offensive player, peterson, on EVERY 3rd down play and calls 1 of 3 different plays every 3rd down. It's an embarassing time to be a viking fan lol..

[duff]

Originally Posted by Adult Insider Dave

Minnesota hands down. Childress is incompitent. And actually andy reid said it a few weeks ago "It's nice to finally have a competant offensive coordinator". Childress was Andy offensive coordinator a few years back.

I live in Minneapolis and until this year went to every game. I watched childress mis-manage the clock countless times among other things. This year, he takes out our best offensive player, peterson, on EVERY 3rd down play and calls 1 of 3 different plays every 3rd down. It's an embarassing time to be a viking fan lol..

So true man, I LOVED watching the vikings play last year and had such high hopes for this season. It's becoming increasingly difficult to keep watching.

The crazy thing is... this should be an incredible time to be a vikings fan.

[Lycanthrope]

We Packer fans love Childress!





as long as he is with you...

[Adult Insider Dave]

Originally Posted by duff

The crazy thing is... this should be an incredible time to be a vikings fan.

I know man it's so frustrating, we truly have some awesome talent on our team.

[Adult Insider Dave]

Originally Posted by Lycanthrope

We Packer fans love Childress!





as long as he is with you...

LOL man :/. Go jets

[duff]

Originally Posted by Adult Insider Dave

I know man it's so frustrating, we truly have some awesome talent on our team.

The good news is that most of the serious talent have signed long term deals, so he'll be gone before they are. We'll get our shot.

[Snake Doctor]

Originally Posted by Adult Insider Dave

Minnesota hands down. Childress is incompitent. And actually andy reid said it a few weeks ago "It's nice to finally have a competant offensive coordinator". Childress was Andy offensive coordinator a few years back.

I live in Minneapolis and until this year went to every game. I watched childress mis-manage the clock countless times among other things. This year, he takes out our best offensive player, peterson, on EVERY 3rd down play and calls 1 of 3 different plays every 3rd down. It's an embarassing time to be a viking fan lol..

Originally Posted by duff

Couldn't agree with you more. The coach should be the next guy to go... not sure if it'll happen this year or not. Anybody who actually still believes in Tarvaris Jackson as a starting quarterback isn't fit to coach an NFL team.

Originally Posted by stever

childress is the worst coach by far
this guy is terrible

Not only him but you got Rick Spielman running the front office. This is the guy who, when he was with the Dolphins gave up a 2nd round pick for AJ Feeley, a 3rd rounder for Lamar Gordon (if you don't know who that is, it proves my point)....and just recently for you gave up a truckload of draft picks for Jared Allen.
Allen is a good player, but your team got fleeced in that deal.

The only good thing I can think of regarding Childress, is that he got a 2nd round pick for Daunte Culpepper.....but of course he was dealing with the idiot Dolphins at the time, which explains alot.

I'm so friggin glad that Parcells is in charge of my Dolphins now and his two young proteges will be there for years to come.

[Fap]

ill give you a hint..

[NaughtyVisions]

Originally Posted by sltr

What do the data say? Here's Science News' summary of a recent analysis of icing by Scott Berry and Craig Wood in Chance.
Berry and Wood analyzed data about field goal attempts during the 2002 and 2003 NFL seasons (including playoffs). They recorded the kicker, the length of the kick, the score of the game, the time left in the game, and whether a timeout was called by the defense before the kick. They even noted whether the field was grass or artificial turf and the weather conditions (sun, clouds, rain, snow, average wind speed, temperature--?unless the games were indoors).

In these two seasons, there were 52 different field goal kickers, combining for a total of 2,003 attempts. Of these kicks, 1,565 (78.1 percent) were successful.

Berry and Wood then looked at what they defined as "pressure" kicks--?those that occurred with 3 minutes or less remaining in the game (or overtime) and would create a lead or a tie for the team attempting the kick.

There were 139 such pressure kicks, and 101 (73 percent) were successful. The defense called a timeout 38 times before the pressure kick, and 24 (63 percent) of these kicks succeeded.
Berry and Wood also estimate a probability model which allows for the influence of factors like weather to be captured. The results appear sensible, and the "icing effect" remains.
A kick made indoors is more likely to be successful. Clouds also have a small beneficial effect on kicks. Rain or snow, on the other hand, reduces the chances of success. High winds also reduce the probability of success, but not as much as rain or snow.

In pressure situations, the odds of success change very little (a mean decrease of 1.8 percent). However, icing the kicker in such a situation has a pretty strong negative effect.

Using their model, Berry and Wood calculate that, for an average kicker, the estimated probability of a successful 40-yard kick in sunny weather is 0.759. The estimated probability under the same conditions for an average kicker who has been iced is 0.659. "Reducing the probability of a successful kick from 0.759 to 0.659 is a very important difference," Berry and Wood report.

One time, when I got wings at HOOTERS, and they gave me those little wet-nap things, this is what it said on the package:

52.9% OF ALL STATISTICS ARE MADE UP