this industry is a pathetic joke

[Mssimpson]

Seriously who is actually trying to make any money is this shithole dying industry anymore? Worst industry ever and is only going to get worse until its completely dead.

The smart people are selling all their stuff and leaving while they still can.

[Matyko]

Good Bye!

[JimmiDean]

No sales today ?

[Vick!]

Why not make as much money as possible before it completely dies? By the way, I highly doubt its gonna happen. Industry will evolve itself into something, somehow .. and most of us as well.

[Emil]

wow, the sky is falling two times in one day... cool.

[Scott McD]

Originally Posted by Mssimpson

The smart people are selling all their stuff and leaving while they still can.

You'll find the smart people are finding even more ways to make more money than before...

[bloggingseo]

You forgot your wheaties this morning!

[u-Bob]

bye bye

[Violetta]

Originally Posted by Mssimpson

Suntil its completely dead.

[xmas13]

Don't Let the Door Hit You on the Way Out. )))

[DARKHORSERIDER]

check ur intenet connection. lol

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by Mssimpson

Mssimpson
Registered User

Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 19

Thanks for your EXPERTise.

[bdld]

it's not dying just evolving, these things come in waves. if anybody is selling, im buying.

[Yngwie]

Originally Posted by bdld

it's not dying just evolving, these things come in waves. if anybody is selling, im buying.

I'll sell you everything for $5 000 000. ;)

[AaronM]

Originally Posted by Mssimpson

Seriously who is actually trying to make any money is this shithole dying industry anymore? Worst industry ever and is only going to get worse until its completely dead.

The smart people are selling all their stuff and leaving while they still can.

Oddly enough, this has been one of my best years ever.

Maybe you just suck.

[Juicy D. Links]

[Klen]

Originally Posted by bdld

it's not dying just evolving, these things come in waves. if anybody is selling, im buying.

A lot of people sell sites,but what is funny they want 3x more price of it's actual value.

[fallenmuffin]

Everything is going great. Best year to date. Hope it keeps up

[Robbie]

"Industry" LOL! And just what industry are you in Mssimpson? The surfer "industry" or the "submitter" industry? Go get a real job and let the grownups handle the actual porn biz.

[selena]

Originally Posted by Robbie

"Industry" LOL! And just what industry are you in Mssimpson? The surfer "industry" or the "submitter" industry? Go get a real job and let the grownups handle the actual porn biz.

I didn't know that the submitter industry was a bad place to be.

Learn something every day.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by selena

I didn't know that the submitter industry was a bad place to be.

Learn something every day.

Point is that someone who is just submitting to tgps isn't in any industry. They are the equivalent of a traveling salesman. Nothing wrong with it...But they are not qualified in any way to be an expert on how this business really works because they are not in it. That's what I'm saying.

And if you noticed the original poster made the smart ass comment that the smart people are all selling their "stuff" and getting out.

But if that person is just another of the thousands and thousands of people who came along AFTER the late 90's with a dream of making millions by submitting...then I would say that our original poster here, has NOTHING to sell anyway and again is commenting in general out of ignorance.

[stickyfingerz]

Originally Posted by Mssimpson

Seriously who is actually trying to make any money is this shithole dying industry anymore? Worst industry ever and is only going to get worse until its completely dead.

The smart people are selling all their stuff and leaving while they still can.

Well shit. I had no ider.. Im leaving!!



List all the sites you have for sale Ill scoop em right up!

[DBS.US]

Are you sure you don't want to make one more tube site?

[Matyko]

Originally Posted by Robbie

"Industry" LOL! And just what industry are you in Mssimpson? The surfer "industry" or the "submitter" industry? Go get a real job and let the grownups handle the actual porn biz.

Robbie, FYI: good submitters can still make great money ;)
Probably because there are only a few good submitters (like me )

[tiger]

You forgot to include your paypal donate button.

[polish_aristocrat]

well, well, well

lots of such threads recently, this one is probably only half serious

always some people like Barefootsies or Robbie saying things are only getting better for them
but then you also have some other truly established big-time webmasters like xxxjay or WG claiming its getting worse


so... basically.. be happy if you're the one who still increases all the time I'd say
I'm not willing to share too much about myself but I'm seeing lots of bad trends for sure

[stickyfingerz]

Originally Posted by polish_aristocrat

well, well, well

lots of such threads recently, this one is probably only half serious

always some people like Barefootsies or Robbie saying things are only getting better for them
but then you also have some other truly established big-time webmasters like xxxjay or WG claiming its getting worse


so... basically.. be happy if you're the one who still increases all the time I'd say
I'm not willing to share too much about myself but I'm seeing lots of bad trends for sure

BareFootsies and Robbie do both run sites that are pretty nichey. I have no doubt both of them are doing better than they were last year.

[polish_aristocrat]

Originally Posted by stickyfingerz

BareFootsies and Robbie do both run sites that are pretty nichey. I have no doubt both of them are doing better than they were last year.

where did I say that I don't believe them? I only said that they should consider themselves lucky.. well, "lucky" may be not the right word, since luck isn't the reason for their success

I simply gave some examples of other big webmasters who do admit to see some decline

they rely on SE traffic mostly as far as I know and it looks like the ratios are simply getting worse and worse for general porn (general meaning everything except the true marginal niches or fetishes)

then you got the big tgp owners who also see declines in traffic

some people surely adapt, but if they adapt by opening tube sites, they are bashed by everyone... well sure you can say that they can open also legit tube sites, but as far as I know, among the big tube sites, there aren't any that are 100% legit (correct me if I'm wrong)

so I guess the key is to run "small" paysites catering to a very specific niche, with exclusive content and promoting it in the proper way

sure it can be done, Im just saying that you can't deny that there are many people who are really succesfull but they see some decline recently instead of growing and that's quite alarming

ok, hahaha is growing as well overall. Then again, I wonder how many of the programs that sold to hahaha were in a growing trend and how many started to decline...

[VicD]

one less...

[DWB]

YES this industry is a pathetic joke, but there is plenty of cash to go around and those who can adapt will stand to continue to make a lot of money for many years to come.

I don't like this industry, I'm not gonna lie. But it turned out that I can make a killing in it, so for that reason, I have sold out to the porn demons and continue to hang my head in shame all the way to the bank.

[DrPickle]

Originally Posted by DirtyWhiteBoy

YES this industry is a pathetic joke, but there is plenty of cash to go around and those who can adapt will stand to continue to make a lot of money for many years to come.

I don't like this industry, I'm not gonna lie. But it turned out that I can make a killing in it, so for that reason, I have sold out to the porn demons and continue to hang my head in shame all the way to the bank.

well put.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by polish_aristocrat

well, well, well

lots of such threads recently, this one is probably only half serious

always some people like Barefootsies or Robbie saying things are only getting better for them
but then you also have some other truly established big-time webmasters like xxxjay or WG claiming its getting worse


so... basically.. be happy if you're the one who still increases all the time I'd say
I'm not willing to share too much about myself but I'm seeing lots of bad trends for sure

Brother...with all due respect to my friend xxxjay...I've been in this biz a bit longer. So contrary to who you may think are "big-time" webmasters or not.....I DO make more money every year. Jesus fuck! Why the hell would I lie about it? Hell there are guys just now coming into this business who are already making MILLIONS.
Don't believe me? Just take a look at Glenn and Incredible Dollars. He STARTED in online porn TWO years ago and is making money hand over fist. MILLIONS OF DOLLARS A MONTH. The bad trends are no different than they were 10 years ago. Some people have the touch to make money...most don't. Always been that way, always will.
I posted this in another "doom and gloom" thread today and I'll include it here as well:

Originally Posted by Robbie

Hmmmm...let's see, I have 181 programs listed in my stats remote with a couple hundred of them bundled in one big CC Bill account. Let's see what just my top 4 are doing:



I guess I didn't get the memo about the biz being killed by the tubes. I suppose there realy ARE people in this world who like to go first class with a real membership instead of acting like street beggars desperately trying to find stolen free stuff. I know I've read a lot of so-called experts on here saying "Nobody buys porn anymore" I can prove you wrong every minute of every day.

[Horny Joe]

Originally Posted by Yngwie

I'll sell you everything for $5 000 000. ;)

Only $ 4 302 101 for my shit! Buy now! Don't wait any longer!

[Horny Joe]

Originally Posted by Robbie

Brother...with all due respect to my friend xxxjay...I've been in this biz a bit longer. So contrary to who you may think are "big-time" webmasters or not.....I DO make more money every year. Jesus fuck! Why the hell would I lie about it? Hell there are guys just now coming into this business who are already making MILLIONS.
Don't believe me? Just take a look at Glenn and Incredible Dollars. He STARTED in online porn TWO years ago and is making money hand over fist. MILLIONS OF DOLLARS A MONTH. The bad trends are no different than they were 10 years ago. Some people have the touch to make money...most don't. Always been that way, always will.
I posted this in another "doom and gloom" thread today and I'll include it here as well:

Oh that is just sick ;) What time period? I want stats like that!

[AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Originally Posted by Mssimpson

Seriously who is actually trying to make any money is this shithole dying industry anymore? Worst industry ever and is only going to get worse until its completely dead.

The smart people are selling all their stuff and leaving while they still can.

Translation: I do not know how to make money on the internets! WAAAA!

[mrkris]

Originally Posted by Mssimpson

Seriously who is actually trying to make any money is this shithole dying industry anymore? Worst industry ever and is only going to get worse until its completely dead.

The smart people are selling all their stuff and leaving while they still can.

[SARCASM]
YER FACE IS A PATHETIC JOKE
[/SARCASM]

Anyone relying 100% on adult is an idiot in my opinion. I keep my hands in both mainstream and adult. Then again, I'm a developer, so if adult goes down, no big deal to me.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by Joe Doe

Oh that is just sick ;) What time period? I want stats like that!

That's not the point...the point is that all the people who have that "touch" are still making money and new people who actually just started in the business during this so-called "decline" of the "industry" (like Glenn and Incredible Dollars for instance) are making money so fast it's stupid.

Everytime I'm at a show including the upcoming Internext in Florida...I always end up at a private get together or dinner with 20 to 30 people in this business. And I'm ALWAYS the "poorest" guy there.

Those guys just don't bother posting replies to these stupid "sky is falling" threads. I try not to, but damn it. I can only stand seeing this nonsense so many times.

Yes, if you made a living submitting galleries to tgps...you MAY have fallen on hard times. But hell, that happened 6 years ago when we cut off taking submissions on AL4A and Ampland and started using nothing but hosted galleries and paid submissions. Yeah, there may be a few guys out there who make quality galleries that are unique and can still make a good living. Bravo and good job to them.

But then there are the thousands of wannabe's with start up blogs and scripted tgps and god only knows what other methods of trying to make a sale...and for them...YES the sky IS falling. But they never really were in the game to begin with.

So for those people to make all these pronouncements and speak so matter-of-factly about shit that they don't know just gets to me. So I end up coming on here and babbling. LOL!

I'll shut up now and go edit some killer interracial footage we just shot.

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by stickyfingerz

BareFootsies and Robbie do both run sites that are pretty nichey. I have no doubt both of them are doing better than they were last year.

Thanks buddy. Always appreciated.

I do not think it's just the niche, I share a true passion for my market, and I think that shows. Plus in the celeb (feet) market. I have been in the game a decade. So I am not just a greasy sales man pushing cross sales. There is a 'trust' factor associated as well.

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by polish_aristocrat

where did I say that I don't believe them? I only said that they should consider themselves lucky.. well, "lucky" may be not the right word, since luck isn't the reason for their success

I simply gave some examples of other big webmasters who do admit to see some decline

they rely on SE traffic mostly as far as I know and it looks like the ratios are simply getting worse and worse for general porn (general meaning everything except the true marginal niches or fetishes)

then you got the big tgp owners who also see declines in traffic

some people surely adapt, but if they adapt by opening tube sites, they are bashed by everyone... well sure you can say that they can open also legit tube sites, but as far as I know, among the big tube sites, there aren't any that are 100% legit (correct me if I'm wrong)

so I guess the key is to run "small" paysites catering to a very specific niche, with exclusive content and promoting it in the proper way

sure it can be done, Im just saying that you can't deny that there are many people who are really succesfull but they see some decline recently instead of growing and that's quite alarming

ok, hahaha is growing as well overall. Then again, I wonder how many of the programs that sold to hahaha were in a growing trend and how many started to decline...

Agreed.

I do not rely on SERPs. If they are good, as they are for some sites, then it's great and takes care of it's self. I just work my niches with the different angles from forum posts, gal submits, cross links, and whatever other ways I think of to push more sales.

But as I said in my reply to zingerz.... I am always passionate about my niche. So I take the gentle touches that an assembly line mentality will not. Working those little link lists, and other tweaks. I'll give you an example..

When we had a few more sites we were doing content for, a little less near and dear to my heart, we started moving to that assembly line mentality. Cranking out the content as fast as possible with little regard to anything else. The members started e-mailing about what they did and did not like so we adjusted.

Since then, I sold off two of the sites/niches that were not as interesting to me personally, or profitable marginswise, to my liking. That way I could spend more time on my real love and money makers.

As people can see from my ratios (see sig nig ) we are good at what we do. But between my passion, niche, and marketing. I think it's different then the main two concepts most do....

1. Throw enough traffic at shit and hope some stick
2. Crank out new content just to have new content. No real passion behind the scenes.

[Horny Joe]

Originally Posted by Robbie

That's not the point...the point is that all the people who have that "touch" are still making money and new people who actually just started in the business during this so-called "decline" of the "industry" (like Glenn and Incredible Dollars for instance) are making money so fast it's stupid.

Everytime I'm at a show including the upcoming Internext in Florida...I always end up at a private get together or dinner with 20 to 30 people in this business. And I'm ALWAYS the "poorest" guy there.

Those guys just don't bother posting replies to these stupid "sky is falling" threads. I try not to, but damn it. I can only stand seeing this nonsense so many times.

Yes, if you made a living submitting galleries to tgps...you MAY have fallen on hard times. But hell, that happened 6 years ago when we cut off taking submissions on AL4A and Ampland and started using nothing but hosted galleries and paid submissions. Yeah, there may be a few guys out there who make quality galleries that are unique and can still make a good living. Bravo and good job to them.

But then there are the thousands of wannabe's with start up blogs and scripted tgps and god only knows what other methods of trying to make a sale...and for them...YES the sky IS falling. But they never really were in the game to begin with.

So for those people to make all these pronouncements and speak so matter-of-factly about shit that they don't know just gets to me. So I end up coming on here and babbling. LOL!

I'll shut up now and go edit some killer interracial footage we just shot.

Thank you for a good answer! Even if I am one of the "fresh" ones I still wont give up. Even if it is hard to make good $$$ for me now I want to be in the game when something "new and fresh" are happening and get my cut of it! ;)

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by Barefootsies

I do not think it's just the niche, I share a true passion for my market, and I think that shows. Plus in the celeb (feet) market. I have been in the game a decade. So I am not just a greasy sales man pushing cross sales. There is a 'trust' factor associated as well.

And right there is the answer to how and why every major player in the biz made it. They ENJOY what they do. That's the key to making REAL money. You know your product inside and out. Anything else is just half ass.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by Joe Doe

Thank you for a good answer! Even if I am one of the "fresh" ones I still wont give up. Even if it is hard to make good $$$ for me now I want to be in the game when something "new and fresh" are happening and get my cut of it! ;)

Hey, there is definitely room for "new blood". Again look at Glenn and Incredible Dollars. 3 years ago it didn't exist. He has shown me his NATS stats. You guys don't even want to know how much fucking money he is making. But I'll give you a clue. He makes more in a month than I do in a year.

Every year a new player comes into the game. Thousands TRY to play. But only one or two do. Who knows? You may be the next one.

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by Robbie

And right there is the answer to how and why every major player in the biz made it. They ENJOY what they do. That's the key to making REAL money. You know your product inside and out. Anything else is just half ass.

That really is the truth.

Over the past 4-5 years since getting into our own sites, content, and niche.... I have been asked by other locals, and even business partner to expand into more hardcore porn. More nudity. Whatever. But I haven't.

I do not like males in my scenes. I do not see the appeal of hardcore. Or tits only. Or interracial. Or blonds only. I simply do not understand it on a personal level.

If I do not understand it. I can't sell it.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by Barefootsies

That really is the truth.

Over the past 4-5 years since getting into our own sites, content, and niche.... I have been asked by other locals, and even business partner to expand into more hardcore porn. More nudity. Whatever. But I haven't.

I do not like males in my scenes. I do not see the appeal of hardcore. Or tits only. Or interracial. Or blonds only. I simply do not understand it on a personal level.

If I do not understand it. I can't sell it.

Exactly. You strive to be the very best at what you do. Nothing watered down, no compromise. I try to do the same thing...focus like an arrow.

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by Robbie

Exactly. You strive to be the very best at what you do. Nothing watered down, no compromise. I try to do the same thing...focus like an arrow.

One of my buddies, also a webmaster on GFY, had a good line I still remember to this day....

"You can do ONE thing really well. Or you can do 100 things half assed".

So true.

[Robbie]

Originally Posted by Robbie

I'll shut up now and go edit some killer interracial footage we just shot.

By the way... I really am working on this footage...I'm capturing right now so I have free time to twiddle my thumbs here on GFY while I'm watching over the footage capture of the last 2 days.

[Iron Fist]

If your giving away your sites and domains... I'm sure I can make them convert...

[stickyfingerz]

Originally Posted by Barefootsies

One of my buddies, also a webmaster on GFY, had a good line I still remember to this day....

"You can do ONE thing really well. Or you can do 100 things half assed".

So true.

Damnit I do 101 things half asses so there!!!

[stickyfingerz]

Originally Posted by Robbie

By the way... I really am working on this footage...I'm capturing right now so I have free time to twiddle my thumbs here on GFY while I'm watching over the footage capture of the last 2 days.

Hey Robbie how many blowjobs would it take from Dixie for you to throw her some traffic? See you in Atlanta.

[C H R I S]

I am starting to see some insanely innovative business ideas and content delivery networks that will turn this industry on its ears. Our industry is in a reccession along with the entire US economy, but I think the strong will survive and come out much stronger.

Our industry used to be innovative, I think alot of people have given up and are of the thought that there is nothing new that can be done and we have lost the battle to the illegal tubes. The people who see beyond this and find solutions for content delivery are the ones who will come out winners. Believe me there will be be some huge winners.