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farkedup · 10-09-2008, 04:16 PM

I posted this in another thread but seriously think about this:

The flaw in this is its the BANKS leading the collapse and that housing boom and ARM's adjusting to what they should be(sometimes even higher to make up for the low intro).

Of course the bank collapse wouldn't be nearly as bad if THIS ADMINISTRATION didn't let so many jobs go overseas. The ONLY option is to give tax breaks to companies who create new jobs!

Of course less jobs would go overseas if it weren't for the FUCKING UNIONS! requiring $30+ and tons of breaks and making it impossible to get fired is without a doubt what has caused so much to go overseas.

Of course union greed wouldn't be there if we were hard working (unions have allowed laziness simply look at road constructions workers). Also the mentality of the employer "owing" you instead of "owning" you has fucked everything up. The fuckers in India will work 3 times as hard for 1 TENTH the pay.

So at the end who is to blame? YOU! Self entitlement and shitty work ethic has fucked the entire world!

pocketkangaroo · 10-09-2008, 04:21 PM

I agree, we should all work for the wages they pay the Chinese. How dare we ask for *gasp* a lunch break!

xmas13 · 10-09-2008, 04:23 PM

The non-Western world has been doing great since 9/11.

Last US trade surplus in 1975.

US banking behind three decades of foreign debt.

EscortBiz · 10-09-2008, 04:24 PM

laziness was around in the first great depression and when people figured out they either work or strav shit started getting done, some of the largest buildings in NY was built in that era in record time, tallest building now in NYC was built and completed in 1931 in less than 2 years, workers from many parts of the world helped.

More fatter people get the more lazzy, throw in easy credit and noone wanted to work! Comapnies where doing well so people where given more of a chance, but now seriously you dont perform you get fired and tons of others ready to work.

Remember almost all companies in the dow where started in bad times!

Taken from USA Today

SAN FRANCISCO ? Walt Disney lost an acting job as a movie extra and started his cartoon company in a Hollywood garage. The timing: the 1923-24 recession. Last month, Ethan Diamond and Iain Lamb launched their San Francisco dot-com amid another recession. They had quit a tech firm that took an unappealing turn. Crazy? Not really. Sixteen of the 30 corporations in the Dow Jones industrial average trace their birth to recessions. Tech titans William Hewlett and David Packard joined forces in Silicon Valley in 1938 during the Depression. Bill Gates dropped out of Harvard to start Microsoft during the 1975 recession.

Barefootsies · 10-09-2008, 04:25 PM

When I was in telco, I worked under a union.
Was also a union steward for years.
Then became management.

I have seen it from all sides, and unions are not to blame. Corporate greed is.

Collective bargaining just leveled the playing field.

Eriic · 10-09-2008, 04:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by farkedup

I posted this in another thread but seriously think about this:

The flaw in this is its the BANKS leading the collapse and that housing boom and ARM's adjusting to what they should be(sometimes even higher to make up for the low intro).

Of course the bank collapse wouldn't be nearly as bad if THIS ADMINISTRATION didn't let so many jobs go overseas. The ONLY option is to give tax breaks to companies who create new jobs!

Of course less jobs would go overseas if it weren't for the FUCKING UNIONS! requiring $30+ and tons of breaks and making it impossible to get fired is without a doubt what has caused so much to go overseas.

Of course union greed wouldn't be there if we were hard working (unions have allowed laziness simply look at road constructions workers). Also the mentality of the employer "owing" you instead of "owning" you has fucked everything up. The fuckers in India will work 3 times as hard for 1 TENTH the pay.

So at the end who is to blame? YOU! Self entitlement and shitty work ethic has fucked the entire world!

You must be one Hell of an Ignorant Asshole.

GatorB · 10-09-2008, 04:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by farkedup

I posted this in another thread but seriously think about this:

The flaw in this is its the BANKS leading the collapse and that housing boom and ARM's adjusting to what they should be(sometimes even higher to make up for the low intro).

Of course the bank collapse wouldn't be nearly as bad if THIS ADMINISTRATION didn't let so many jobs go overseas. The ONLY option is to give tax breaks to companies who create new jobs!

Of course less jobs would go overseas if it weren't for the FUCKING UNIONS! requiring $30+ and tons of breaks and making it impossible to get fired is without a doubt what has caused so much to go overseas.

Of course union greed wouldn't be there if we were hard working (unions have allowed laziness simply look at road constructions workers). Also the mentality of the employer "owing" you instead of "owning" you has fucked everything up. The fuckers in India will work 3 times as hard for 1 TENTH the pay.

So at the end who is to blame? YOU! Self entitlement and shitty work ethic has fucked the entire world!

YOU=RETARD. Less than 10% of job have unions. In my area we've had factories close( NON-union by the way ) and move out of the US they were only paying workers $6 an hour. Sorry you can't compete with 3 cents an hour in China. Quit calling people lazy because there isn't ONE fucking job YOU would do for $3 an hour.

WTF do YOU do by the way? This biz? What if htis biz didn't exist. Which job would you accept for $3 an hour? That's what I thought. I guess you are a lazy fuck to. Now go kill yourself and rid the world of your distgustingness.

SeanHart · 10-09-2008, 04:35 PM

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MovieMaster · 10-09-2008, 04:41 PM

I hear ya bro!

It sucks the original idea of a union was a good concept but has been hijacked by special interest bs much like our political parties on the left and right! It really comes down to allowing people to get a fair shake but not at the expense of making a business not able to compete globally because of union laws / taxes and etc which hinder competition

tony286 · 10-09-2008, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by GatorB

YOU=RETARD. Less than 10% of job have unions. In my area we've had factories close( NON-union by the way ) and move out of the US they were only paying workers $6 an hour. Sorry you can't compete with 3 cents an hour in China. Quit calling people lazy because there isn't ONE fucking job YOU would do for $3 an hour.

WTF do YOU do by the way? This biz? What if htis biz didn't exist. Which job would you accept for $3 an hour? That's what I thought. I guess you are a lazy fuck to. Now go kill yourself and rid the world of your distgustingness.

Its the unions its a easy one to blame the invisible boogey man the right wing created. Actually people work harder now then ever before. Most families both parents have to work more and more to live a decent life. Its corporate greed nothing more, if the government gave them zero taxes jobs would still be shipped over seas by the boatload.

Barefootsies · 10-09-2008, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by MovieMaster

I hear ya bro!

It sucks the original idea of a union was a good concept but has been hijacked by special interest bs much like our political parties on the left and right! It really comes down to allowing people to get a fair shake but not at the expense of making a business not able to compete globally because of union laws / taxes and etc which hinder competition

You can't pay CEO's millions of dollars in bonuses every year, and realistically expect your employees to take pay cuts, endure pay freezes, or lose their benefits.

That is how this bullshit had gotten out of control.

Agent 488 · 10-09-2008, 04:54 PM

wtf are you talking about? unions have been crushed in the US.

GatorB · 10-09-2008, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by budsbabes

wtf are you talking about? unions have been crushed in the US.

He's a retard that has no clue to what he is talking about. He is mad at what's going on and instead of actually finding out FACTS he listens to Sean Hannity and his ilk.

Jim_Gunn · 10-09-2008, 05:09 PM

Unions have nothing to do with this situation, this isn't 1955 anymore, and unions membership in this country is very low compared to what it was for the better part of the 20th Century. Consider the mis-spending of our tax dollars due to corruption at the highest levels of government, bad economic policies, two wars wasting billions of our dollars, increased foreign economic competition and a myriad of other factors why we are in a mess right now.

Spunky · 10-09-2008, 05:10 PM

There's good and bad for unions.I've been in one for 20 years as a shop steward.If there wasn't one you would be working for 10 bucks a hour without benefits.not all unions are greedy

Redrob · 10-09-2008, 05:14 PM

Lack of production of products in demand around the world.
Destroyed domestic market dependent on cheap imports from Third World Countries.
Spending on foreign wars while ignoring national infrastructure.
Printing money to pay for spending rather than raising taxes.
Teaching for the test instead of educating our student to think for themselves.
Greed....by the bankers, by the borrowers, and by the Congress.
My list could go on and on..........

This is why we are in the fucked up situation we are in

farkedup · 10-09-2008, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Barefootsies

You can't pay CEO's millions of dollars in bonuses every year, and realistically expect your employees to take pay cuts, endure pay freezes, or lose their benefits.

That is how this bullshit had gotten out of control.

Absolutely that is one of the biggest problems. CEO's should NEVER get millions in bonuses for running a company into the ground!

I was mainly trying to highlight the fact that so many people want to blame just a certain thing like Bush or the banks or shit there's tons of blame to spread around but at the end of the day the fact is MOST americans at least have a self entitlement problem.

*You have those lifetime welfare people (lazy fucks)

*Every time I drive through construction at least 60% of the people are basically just standing around (can't ALWAYS be break time)

* Car unions - factories constantly being CLOSED over single digit % pay decreases when they're getting DOUBLE what its worth anyway. I'm in Michigan, top of the news constantly we see union reps stating things like they can't close this factory, they need US just for that factory to be completely shut down within 12mnths. Those unions don't realize take some cuts or lose the job and end up making $6/hr elsewhere.

* government workers - always somebody elses department

Shit frequently at STORES register lines are long when I can SEE cashiers elsewhere talking and NOT working

My point was we can't point the finger at all of these faceless entities. At the end of the day it is OUR fault. We took those adjustable rates, WE took those union jobs, WE are not entitled to food on our table, roofs over our heads. Times need to return to "if you don't work you don't eat". Our society thinks that it deserves shiny new cars even, what happened to driving till the POS literally fell apart?

Ayla_SquareTurtle · 10-09-2008, 05:16 PM

There need to be MORE unions. Big companies like Wal-Mart, etc are basically factories pumping out welfare cases due to their low wages and practice of preventing workers from becoming full time and eligible for benefits. They aren't going to pay a living wage until and unless they are FORCED to.

farkedup · 10-09-2008, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Spunky

There's good and bad for unions.I've been in one for 20 years as a shop steward.If there wasn't one you would be working for 10 bucks a hour without benefits.not all unions are greedy

You're right, not all unions are complete evil BUT think of where I'm from and know mostly about those fuckin car unions. These car unions have literally destroyed GM, Ford and to a lesser extent Chrysler and shit has trickled down to everybody. When so many of the cornerstones of our economy get destroyed like they have it certainly has to be one of the bigger factors that put us in this mess. Sure the argument is Toyota and Honda are making better cars than ford and GM which I believe is true but honestly this isn't something new, they've always been better just haven't sold...

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Originally Posted by Ayla_SquareTurtle

There need to be MORE unions. Big companies like Wal-Mart, etc are basically factories pumping out welfare cases due to their low wages and practice of preventing workers from becoming full time and eligible for benefits. They aren't going to pay a living wage until and unless they are FORCED to.

Walmart employees are the dumbest laziest sacks of shit on the planet. They don't need a union, they need to actually work. The only people I've ever known that had even an AVERAGE work ethic that started working at walmart in HS are assistant managers at 2 different stores at 26 and 27. I was a cashier when I was 17-18 and I can honestly say that a cashier can scan and bag everything in less than half the time they take. I use the self checkout even with the bullshit "scale" slowing me down to register a scanned item and still get out far faster than having a cashier do it. Cashiers are supposed to be professionals at scanning and bagging shit and they usually do it as slow as humanly possible. What walmart needs to do is make the cashiers pay scale be based upon how much they do and how fast they do it.

I go to walmart during off peak hours and often during the times they are stocking shelves... they don't even have the respect to move shit out of the way so you can even walk down aisles most of the time! I always have to backtrack and find a passable aisle then go finish going down the damn aisle

Serge Litehead · 10-09-2008, 05:38 PM

btw, you can compete with china's cheap labor - just tax the fuck out of all imports. US wasn't protecting it's economical borders well, that's why jobs went to third world countries. there were no incentives for companies to keep domestic production.

farkedup · 10-09-2008, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by GatorB

Yes because they way wal-mart does things by paying employees minimum wage and thus causing many to still apply for and get welfare food stamps and medicaid all paid for by the TAX PAYER is sooooo much better.

The fact is it doesn't matter if unions were demanding $30 or $3 an hour. Even $3 an hour can't compete with 3 cents an hour in China. Quit blaming this on unions. By the way unions make up less than 10% of jobs so what explains the other 90% of jobs going overseas?

they chose not to go to college and haven't done anything to get training to get a better job. They could always pass a simple civil service test and go work for a post office or some other government job. Walmart workers are simply too lazy to figure anything out to get better paying jobs. 8 YEARS ago Meijer started all cashiers out at $7.45/hr and you were in a union. I worked there for a year when I was 17.. they have yearly pay bumps so staying there would have resulted in better pay. If walmart isn't paying bills simply get off your ass and keep looking for work! You work at most 40 hours a week at walmart and you still have plenty of other time... My wife for example as a nurse for 3mnths worked 2 full time jobs! that is 6 12 hour shifts EVERY week. If a single job doesn't cut it why the hell don't you work a second? LAZINESS

farkedup · 10-09-2008, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by holograph

btw, you can compete with china's cheap labor - just tax the fuck out of all imports. US wasn't protecting it's economical borders well, that's why jobs went to third world countries. there were no incentives for companies to keep domestic production.

that is everything with foreign goods. Labor prices are meaningless. We've made it so that foreign goods CAN be sold here far cheaper than our own products.

We have to work on being self sufficient and staying out of these damn "wars". We can't even show the world democracy works and yet we go all over trying to make the rest of the world have some form of democracy. All while we have absolutely no privacy rights anymore and a president that can invade any country he wants without ANY intervention or debate from congress or the PEOPLE. By time we destroyed Iraq we were stuck there with no way out.

xmas13 · 10-09-2008, 05:50 PM

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farkedup Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Kalamazoo, MI Posts: 2,490	Unions and lazy americans = great depression 2 I posted this in another thread but seriously think about this: The flaw in this is its the BANKS leading the collapse and that housing boom and ARM's adjusting to what they should be(sometimes even higher to make up for the low intro). Of course the bank collapse wouldn't be nearly as bad if THIS ADMINISTRATION didn't let so many jobs go overseas. The ONLY option is to give tax breaks to companies who create new jobs! Of course less jobs would go overseas if it weren't for the FUCKING UNIONS! requiring $30+ and tons of breaks and making it impossible to get fired is without a doubt what has caused so much to go overseas. Of course union greed wouldn't be there if we were hard working (unions have allowed laziness simply look at road constructions workers). Also the mentality of the employer "owing" you instead of "owning" you has fucked everything up. The fuckers in India will work 3 times as hard for 1 TENTH the pay. So at the end who is to blame? YOU! Self entitlement and shitty work ethic has fucked the entire world! __________________ -- QUOTE ME IT MAKES ME FEEL SPECIAL --

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