why is TEVS so expensive? TEVS vs nubiles (solution coming soon) - GoFuckYourself.com

farkedup · 10-07-2008, 10:58 PM

Those 2 systems have set a decent bar for importing sponsored videos. TEVS has the kind of interface that dummies can quickly pop in and handle. Simplicity comes at the expense of features.

If nubiles drastically overhauled both the frontend and the admin interfaces it would be one hell of a script. As is nubiles has a fairly steep learning curve and the frontend interface doesn't take advantages of the features it has behind the scenes.

Nubiles
+ Free
+ More features
+ Fast imports
+ Auto categorizes/tags videos
+ CSS
+ Imports faster than TEVS
- More work to import
- Poor interface for both the frontend and admin

TEVS
+ Very simple admin
+ clean frontend interface
+ fewer fields in import
+ Proven track record to hold up to high traffic levels
- Manual tagging/categorization sucks
- WAY too expensive
- Tables... Hasn't everybody gone CSS by now?
- Gay default template (keeping a clean interface doesn't HAVE to be so 1996 layout)

I've been hired to make some things for it for a client so I've spent quite a bit of time with it these past couple of weeks... All I can say is it doesn't have many features, the admin is super basic and honestly doesn't have many features in it at all.

I've been spending quite a bit of time with the nubiles system lately and I think the nubiles system is actually a BETTER system! If nubiles had a cleaner (made for dummies) interface it would win hands down!

Is the fact that TEVS is a clean interface and allows you to import a bunch of sponsored videos EVERYTHING?

Something I've found disturbing about TEVS is having to manually tag videos with keywords. Nubiles handles this for you.

Once you get the "hang" of nubiles its imports do work faster than TEVS's

Bottom line:
Neither of these scripts should be called TUBE scripts, they are damn fine MGP CMS's but nowhere near actual TUBES. Both systems have a LOT of room for improvement but I would rather spend $250 on templating and customizing nubiles instead of $250 + more templating TEVS.

Currently there simply is NOT a great option on the market for anybody wanting to focus on sponsored videos.

proposed solution:
Portable sponsor import system ;)

STXT's XML format for sponsors is the only reasonable solution out there (Mr Yellows project is DEAD). We need to seriously band together and DEMAND all the big sponsors support this.

Although I have a tube system that I have coded myself there are simply more feature packed TUBES out there. Some of them have so many features I could work 8 hour days for a full MONTH just to catch up to them. I simply don't feel like doing this right now.

I am working on a "portable" sponsor import system I'm taking all the feeds I can get my hands on and I'm coding something that will be able to easily be plugged into ANY tube script. Now you'll be able to actually look at ALL of the scripts out there and not make your decision solely on the VERY few that offer sponsored video imports.

ETA: First rev will ONLY support my script and will be available within the next couple days. Will be offering up a version with support for at least one free tube hopefully by the end of this weekend.

d-null · 10-07-2008, 11:03 PM

someone should do a quick step by step tutorial for the nubiles script

Mutt · 10-07-2008, 11:06 PM

what and where all these TUBE scripts with so many features?

Jens Van Assterdam · 10-07-2008, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Mutt

what and where all these TUBE scripts with so many features?

www.mechbunny.com
www.smart-scripts.com

farkedup · 10-07-2008, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Mutt

what and where all these TUBE scripts with so many features?

I've got a shitload of bookmarks LOL I'll sort through them tomorrow and post some up... I'm trying to finish off some code before bed... its past 2AM here.

There's an INSANE amount of tube scripts available and there's really like 2 or 3 that really stand out but don't have any form of quick content import tools.

honestly vidiscript is probably going to be the first script (other than my own) simply because I can send it out to a few testers and they won't have to invest hundreds in software to test it all out ;)

I won't just be focused on sponsors content. I will port my embed grabber for places like redtube into this admin once I get it done. Currently I have variables in its own file and haven't put things like affiliate codes and that into the DB YET. I plan on following something super simple like TEVS's admin mixed with STXT's with simple on/off shit.

bloggerz · 10-07-2008, 11:14 PM

see sig.

Zorgman · 10-08-2008, 12:57 AM

Nice little plug about your own script going to take videos from redtube.

I still don't think you get it, are you really that dumb?

REDTUBE steal content from people that work and post here. Think about that you tool.

After Shock Media · 10-08-2008, 01:04 AM

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Originally Posted by bloggerz

see sig.

I see it and it is way to fucking big, unless TEVs has become a top advertiser recently and I did not happen to catch the ads yet.

farkedup · 10-08-2008, 01:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Zorgman

Nice little plug about your own script going to take videos from redtube.

I still don't think you get it, are you really that dumb?

REDTUBE steal content from people that work and post here. Think about that you tool.

you probably wonder why so many people don't like you don't you?

You keep trying to pass your SIMPLE script off as a tube script... shit after spending so much time with your script these past couple of weeks I am absolutely shocked anybody is willing to pay $250 for it. It has made me push back development of SEVERAL other projects just so I can get this sponsored video import tool out and on EVERY other tube script so that nobody would have any reason to spend such an insane amount of money on a script that can certainly be coded in UNDER A WEEK! If you read through my old posts I thought your import shit was "great" but after spending time going through all the sponsors like I have that is the only thing in your script that took more than a single days worth of work!

You will be forced out of the "tube" market since real tube scripts will be showing you up in every possible way.

why is everything in TEVS making me think its 1996?

Zorgman · 10-08-2008, 01:53 AM

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script that can certainly be coded in UNDER A WEEK!

Yet you have spent over 9 months making your script and it's not even finished yet. Right!

TEVS does allow uploads by the admin, so really, it's a TUBE script. Just because there is no user uploads doesn't mean it's not a tube script. The fact is, 99.95% of users don't own the content they upload anyway, just look at redtube, it's full of stolen videos.

1996 was a good year.

farkedup · 10-08-2008, 02:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Zorgman

Yet you have spent over 9 months making your script and it's not even finished yet. Right!

TEVS does allow uploads by the admin, so really, it's a TUBE script. Just because there is no user uploads doesn't mean it's not a tube script. The fact is, 99.95% of users don't own the content they upload anyway, just look at redtube, it's full of stolen videos.

1996 was a good year.

I didn't do any coding on my script for about 6mnths while working on other things. No script of mine will ever be "finished" I work until I either run out of ideas or am satisfied with the results. I had no need to tune my system. Now I have a set of ideas and will be overhauling things and bringing the project more towards my current goals.

Like I said with my script... I realize there are plenty of scripts with more features (yours is certainly not one) so I am working on filling a MUCH needed hole. The only thing TEVS does with any respectability is the sponsored videos import. I am simply bringing that to all the other players out there.

TEVS will simply not have ANY place in this market within 30 days so you'd better get your shit together or get left behind!

paymeback · 10-08-2008, 03:31 AM

The shit-slinging between these script owners is getting abit repetitive isnt it?
I'ts quite clear you don't like zorgman and tevs, you don't see sponsors saying xxx company doesn't convert switch to us.

This is a business, if you've got a product thats better than his thats fine pimp it just don't put shit on the competition in the process because its not going to get you new clients.

Calling the default template "gay" is quite childish, its a template for a reason.

Godsmack · 10-08-2008, 03:47 AM

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Originally Posted by paymeback

The shit-slinging between these script owners is getting abit repetitive isnt it?
I'ts quite clear you don't like zorgman and tevs, you don't see sponsors saying xxx company doesn't convert switch to us.

This is a business, if you've got a product thats better than his thats fine pimp it just don't put shit on the competition in the process because its not going to get you new clients.

Calling the default template "gay" is quite childish, its a template for a reason.

Exactly..

spooky181 · 10-08-2008, 04:03 AM

Hey Zorgman, are you able to add my hosted galls to your TEVS system?? I'm not interested in having my stuff included in the thread starters script, he doesn't come across very professional. I was talking to DW a while ago about it....

Zorgman · 10-08-2008, 04:07 AM

Hi Spooky, yes, I ran some tests on your galleries and they did work but remember im Australian and you had to unblock me from the hosted galleries. But yes, they work 100%

I will be updating the sponsors page once the next version is released as it's all tired together.

CIVMatt · 10-08-2008, 05:39 AM

Seriously if you can't afford TEVS or you think that its expensive for what it does, you don't belong in this business.

TEVS is cheap and works, if you have something better then let your product speak for you.

candyflip · 10-08-2008, 06:04 AM

I love TEVS, just give us 1.1 already.

Zorgman · 10-08-2008, 07:39 AM

Candyflip, Im just zipping v1.1 beta up now for the beta testers to try out. Want to make sure it's 100% stable before the masses upgrade. :D

Click Obey · 10-08-2008, 08:21 AM

Farkedup - I keep on seeing you and others state that TEVs, and a few other scripts arent true tube scripts and I am by no means saying you are wrong but I find it kind of ironic that you want to call it an "mgp" script when its not that either. It seems like a round about way to bash the script by labeling it something its not.

Maybe there needs to be some sort of industry wide term for these types of scripts but last time I checked the sites running tevs, nubiles script, ect are not MGPS. A movie gallery post uses galleries, free hosted, or you own. While these scripts load the movies within your own pages. To me there is quite a difference...

On another note a "portable" sponsor import system sounds like it would definitely be helpful to all types of script users.

Sands · 10-08-2008, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by JT(.)(.)BOOBLE

Farkedup - I keep on seeing you and others state that TEVs, and a few other scripts arent true tube scripts and I am by no means saying you are wrong but I find it kind of ironic that you want to call it an "mgp" script when its not that either. It seems like a round about way to bash the script by labeling it something its not.

Maybe there needs to be some sort of industry wide term for these types of scripts but last time I checked the sites running tevs, nubiles script, ect are not MGPS. A movie gallery post uses galleries, free hosted, or you own. While these scripts load the movies within your own pages. To me there is quite a difference...

On another note a "portable" sponsor import system sounds like it would definitely be helpful to all types of script users.

Personally, I don't believe it's a true tube site unless it accepts and publishes user-submitted content. I use this reasoning because Youtube is, arguably, the first tube site on the web (or at the very least the first tube site to garner mainstream popularity). The main feature that made Youtube what it is today is the acceptance and publishing of user-submitted content. It's the core foundation.

When viewed from this angle, a script like TEVS or the Nubiles script is a video publishing script -- half of what would constitute a tube script since it lacks that aforementioned core feature.

jwerd · 10-08-2008, 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by farkedup

TEVS will simply not have ANY place in this market within 30 days so you'd better get your shit together or get left behind!

That's quite a statement. I say we hold him to it.

BV · 10-08-2008, 08:50 AM

Hey Farkedup, Are you that fucked up?

Tevs is a "type" of tube script that uses sponsor hosted videos. What's so hard to figure out about that? Some webmasters want only that. They don't want to accept submissions and deal with all that bullshit that comes with it.

Just like some TGP/MGP's only use sponsor hosted galleries and don't accept submissions.

What is so hard to figure out about that?

Wake the fuck up!

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and if you think $250.00 bucks is expensive then you are in the wrong business.

Sosa · 10-08-2008, 08:51 AM

Can't wait for tevs 1.1 as well.

Jim_Gunn · 10-08-2008, 09:07 AM

I am appreciating all these tube threads, even if they bash each other a little bit because from that, one can discern some of the differences between the scripts. I don't carte about the semantics, they can all be called tube scripts for my purposes since I just need them for tube style and video sites that have no user uploads, just my own vids and/or embedded sponsor vids with an upsell to my own sites or clip stores or sponsor sites.

At a superficial glance, I actually like some of the free ones more than the paid ones. I love the nice big thumbnails on Nubiles. Just have to see if there is a way to center the display of the main page rather than be left justified like I see on the samples. The Vidiscript one also looks promising if the thumbnails can be made bigger.

The other thing about the paid scripts is how limiting they are if you want to use them on multiple domains. Using the free scripts, or even Wordpress to simulate them like I have seen one gentleman do, frees one up to use them on multiple sites in multiple genres once you find a system that works for you to drive traffic and make sales. Who wants to license a script for $250 or even $100 and then be limited to one domain, when you may have a dozen or more sites in mind that it might be possible to replicate the general framework with different content and headers on different domains. Same idea as having many Wordpress blogs or splogs- it's free software, so you can make lots of them.

Klen · 10-08-2008, 09:20 AM

I will wait one more year,and then i will say which script is better.

farkedup · 10-08-2008, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by BV

Hey Farkedup, Are you that fucked up?

Tevs is a "type" of tube script that uses sponsor hosted videos. What's so hard to figure out about that? Some webmasters want only that. They don't want to accept submissions and deal with all that bullshit that comes with it.

Just like some TGP/MGP's only use sponsor hosted galleries and don't accept submissions.

What is so hard to figure out about that?

Wake the fuck up!

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and if you think $250.00 bucks is expensive then you are in the wrong business.

I completely understand the POINT of TEVS. Everybodies argument FOR TEVS is only that they simply don't want to deal with user uploads. Any decent script has a quick way to TURN OFF those user uploads (mine does)

$250 isn't shit... BUT for $250 you should at least get a hell of alot more than what TEVS offers.

My point is TEVS doesn't have shit for features. The only thing it does is imports sponsored videos... like I've said, that will be coming to MANY other scripts in the very near future.

I'll tell you what, I'll make a COMPLETE TEVS clone and make it completely free, just pay for the SPONSOR tools addon. I'll make a post when I start on it. (I swear I won't start until after I work out all my import shit). Anybody wanna make bets on how many DAYS it takes? TEVS outside of the sponsor import stuff is seriously less than a weeks work. I actually only started on this sponsor stuff about 3 days ago and within the next ~3-5 days I should be at least caught up to TEVS in sponsor support.

You guys believing that TEVS was just "so much work" I'll actually have better solutions available after working for ~2 weeks and like I said above.. within 30 days you'll have absolutely no reason to ever LOOK at TEVS. Any of you doubters wanna put some $$$ behind that?

My plan: support all the sponsors AND THEN some currently supported by TEVS.

Port this code to some OTHER tube scripts

Make a free "TEVS" front/admin (paid addon for sponsor imports).

I saw at least a couple of people in this very thread that seem "neutral" I'll even supply 2-3 guys with copies of MY SCRIPT + this addon for feedback. You'll see....

fris · 10-08-2008, 10:58 AM

the fast free media script isnt anything special

farkedup · 10-08-2008, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by fris

the fast free media script isnt anything special

Considering thats the name of what I called my V1 script and I'm at V1.6 of course not

There was also a super simple FREE script with that name which didn't have support for very much.

Like I said in my first post, there are several scripts that blow mine out of the water with features. That is the entire reason why I'm doing this portable sponsor import. I want to cash in on bringing all these sponsored vids to about every system out there.

tiger · 10-08-2008, 01:30 PM

Actually TEVS is cheap for what it does. Would be better if these scripts were more expensive. Then there would be less people that could create sites quickly and easily.

Nubiles is a great script as well I just started playing with.

But as far as features etc, TEVS wins and if he makes a few more improvements TEVS will be incredible.

Godsmack · 10-08-2008, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by tiger

Actually TEVS is cheap for what it does. Would be better if these scripts were more expensive. Then there would be less people that could create sites quickly and easily.

Nubiles is a great script as well I just started playing with.

But as far as features etc, TEVS wins and if he makes a few more improvements TEVS will be incredible.

Not only is it cheap but why would people put blood sweat and tears in a script and than offer it for free.. it's ridicules people expect free scripts and than have those script make them money..

JamesK · 10-08-2008, 01:49 PM

Nice way of promoting your shit

Brujah · 10-08-2008, 01:49 PM

There was a $25 tube script in the Buy & Sell forum section too wasn't there?

10-08-2008, 01:52 PM

farked up, make us a script ( for the masses ) that can be used on multiple domains with an on/off switch for submissions and heh you have a winner.
If you can supply a script like you say you can within a month, you have a winner.
If you would consider people to beta-test your script I am game 4 sure.

candyflip · 10-08-2008, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Zorgman

Candyflip, Im just zipping v1.1 beta up now for the beta testers to try out. Want to make sure it's 100% stable before the masses upgrade. :D

I can't wait to check it and all the new goodies out.

CyberHustler · 10-08-2008, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by ThumbLord

farked up, make us a script ( for the masses ) that can be used on multiple domains with an on/off switch for submissions and heh you have a winner.
If you can supply a script like you say you can within a month, you have a winner.
If you would consider people to beta-test your script I am game 4 sure.

Me too yo!

The Duck · 10-08-2008, 02:09 PM

Tevs is too expensive yes. I would go with cliphouse, it looks very good right now.

tranza · 10-08-2008, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by bloggerz

see sig.

Is TEVS a top GFY sponsor??

farkedup · 10-08-2008, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by ThumbLord

farked up, make us a script ( for the masses ) that can be used on multiple domains with an on/off switch for submissions and heh you have a winner.
If you can supply a script like you say you can within a month, you have a winner.
If you would consider people to beta-test your script I am game 4 sure.

I have a completely unencoded script that has the on/off switch for submissions... It's called Entertainmentscript. It's not domain locked in any way.

I'm rolling out the FIRST revision of the import system to a couple of ES customers since I have only coded the imports for ES currently. AFTER this I am coding these imports to work with vidiscript.

Obviously the first revision won't have EVERY sponsor planned but at this time I am working out a bug with the videosz import and a couple of others. I've also been getting approval emails for accounts with a TON of different advertisers so I will be working my ass off for a while continually adding support for more sponsors.

I will be able to get the beta out to some people tonight sometime. A free script setup to look/act like TEVS will be coded AFTER I get to a nice stopping place with the sponsor data.

BSleazy · 10-08-2008, 03:15 PM

Packed with features you can only find on major media sharing communities such as YouTube and LiveVideo, VidiScript is the most powerful FREE media sharing community script available online today.

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farkedup · 10-08-2008, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by tranza

Is TEVS a top GFY sponsor??

no its not but the affiliate system pays well enough that he has some people whoreing it around hoping people will buy through the affiliate system.

Anyway back to work I go... I'm dreaming up the admin interface right now... I have a few different styles... I was even doing some ajax in the imports but it was slowing me down too much so I'll have to add that stuff in after the functionality is just the way I like it.

10-08-2008, 03:25 PM

thanks for explaining !

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 10-08-2008, 03:29 PM

I Invented BUlk Keywords for video clips.

farkedup · 10-08-2008, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by ThumbLord

thanks for explaining !

it confuses a LOT of people. Avid promotion gets mistaken for it being a superior product.

Anyway I have Joseph from vidiscript on IM and he's going to do his best to get user registration and user uploads as a SIMPLE on/off type setup since it currently does NOT have that.

If they can get that together this weekend You guys could be in for a hell of a treat next week.

I've run into some problems with embedding nubiles since they have an average of 3 clips per insert. Instead of heavily modifying my tube I'm going to use the playlist method and a .PHP file on MY server. When I port this to some other scripts if they support multi files I won't bother using the playlist on my server.

Right now i'm focusing on tuning the current feeds that work and getting them ready for production usage so I can release something tonight. I plan on offering it at a DISCOUNTED rate for the first 48 hours after release.

halfpint · 10-08-2008, 03:44 PM

I use entertainmentscript and have just installed vidiscript. The entertainment script I have used for almost a year now and have never had any major problems with it, If you want a script that allows plugs, embeded and uploads to be turned on or off plus a link tracking list a cache which you can manually or set to update depending on the amount of users. It also has a download link for your affliates at the bottom of the clip. Plus a very easy template editor which is in the admin section plus a load of other features then go for that. For me it is perfect plus it was a breeze to install.

The vidiscript I have just installed and it also seems pretty good. It has its problems like any new script but my first impressions of it is its also pretty good for a free script. They give you the script for free and sell you addons. I have so far purchased the brand removel and will buy the power player so all together the script will cost me $76.95 in the end.

Jim_Gunn · 10-08-2008, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Godsmack

Not only is it cheap but why would people put blood sweat and tears in a script and than offer it for free.. it's ridicules people expect free scripts and than have those script make them money..

That's what I expect. :-)

I think that there is room in the market for paid scripts with lots of features as well as free scripts that people can use to make money on just like they use teh free program WordPress to create blogs. And some scripts will be free for the basic script but them the advanced features will cost extra.

shark laser · 10-08-2008, 03:57 PM

i've had quite a few clients using TEVS...that's all i can say

farkedup · 10-08-2008, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim_Gunn

That's what I expect. :-)

I think that there is room in the market for paid scripts with lots of features as well as free scripts that people can use to make money on just like they use teh free program WordPress to create blogs. And some scripts will be free for the basic script but them the advanced features will cost extra.

The only mention of a free script was I could EASILY code a script with all of the features of TEVS in just a few days of work.

The time consuming part is importing the data from the SPONSORS which I do NOT plan on giving away.

I wouldn't have any problem giving away a basic script if it meant selling more copies of the sponsor import. Like I've said I can a TEVS clone in just a couple of days. If it means selling a bunch of copies of the sponsor import which otherwise might not have sold is totally worth it.

Many people are picking and choosing what parts of what I've said to focus on.

My TUBE script is $40 but I am not even trying to promote that! I am focusing on getting sponsored content onto tubes which otherwise would NOT bother. If there is one thing to focus on that should be it!

I'm not here to debate if allowing user uploads is right or wrong. I want EVERY major system to be able to quickly import sponsored videos! That is the only thing TEVS does and honestly it doesn't do it very well but it does do it in a SIMPLE way. Nubiles import is far more powerfull but its hard to use and doesn't look good.

You guys have been paying $250 a pop for a script that doesn't really do anything other than import sponsored videos. Why not pick what actual SCRIPT fits your needs the best? At no point have I stated how much I'm going to charge for this import system. What I am saying though is subtract the sponsored video import tools from TEVS and you have an incredibly basic script which even FREE ones are superior.

if $250 a pop for a basic script with these import tools is "fair" how much would a good script with import tools be worth? Some of the tube scripts I have plans to code imports for are $200+ BY THEMSELVES! I have k0nrad on my list and will even be coding an import into THAT system. His script is like $600. My goal is to get EVERYBODY to step up their game. if I get my import system on enough scripts I can then leverage and poke SPONSORS more into adopting feeds for nubiles and STXT. My long term goal is to make it so that anybody who wants to use sponsored videos will quickly be able to use them.

Hating on a script just because it allows people to upload content is WRONG. It is up to the developer to create the tools people want. Scripts should have as many features as possible and have options to turn features on/off depending on the site.

Jim_Gunn · 10-08-2008, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by farkedup

The only mention of a free script was I could EASILY code a script with all of the features of TEVS in just a few days of work.

The time consuming part is importing the data from the SPONSORS which I do NOT plan on giving away.

I wouldn't have any problem giving away a basic script if it meant selling more copies of the sponsor import. Like I've said I can a TEVS clone in just a couple of days. If it means selling a bunch of copies of the sponsor import which otherwise might not have sold is totally worth it.

Many people are picking and choosing what parts of what I've said to focus on.

My TUBE script is $40 but I am not even trying to promote that! I am focusing on getting sponsored content onto tubes which otherwise would NOT bother. If there is one thing to focus on that should be it!

I'm not here to debate if allowing user uploads is right or wrong. I want EVERY major system to be able to quickly import sponsored videos! That is the only thing TEVS does and honestly it doesn't do it very well but it does do it in a SIMPLE way. Nubiles import is far more powerfull but its hard to use and doesn't look good.

You guys have been paying $250 a pop for a script that doesn't really do anything other than import sponsored videos. Why not pick what actual SCRIPT fits your needs the best? At no point have I stated how much I'm going to charge for this import system. What I am saying though is subtract the sponsored video import tools from TEVS and you have an incredibly basic script which even FREE ones are superior.

if $250 a pop for a basic script with these import tools is "fair" how much would a good script with import tools be worth? Some of the tube scripts I have plans to code imports for are $200+ BY THEMSELVES! I have k0nrad on my list and will even be coding an import into THAT system. His script is like $600. My goal is to get EVERYBODY to step up their game. if I get my import system on enough scripts I can then leverage and poke SPONSORS more into adopting feeds for nubiles and STXT. My long term goal is to make it so that anybody who wants to use sponsored videos will quickly be able to use them.

Hating on a script just because it allows people to upload content is WRONG. It is up to the developer to create the tools people want. Scripts should have as many features as possible and have options to turn features on/off depending on the site.

I think that you are on the right path. License your basic script free and charge for the sponsor import tool. If you can get most of the big sponsors to support it, then it would be worthwhile for those webmasters who want to be able to import sponsor videos easily to pay for it. And for those that don't or those who aren't ready for that feature yet you will at least get a bigger installed base of your script. I look forward to seeing it.

mryellow · 10-08-2008, 05:01 PM

My format isn't dead.... It's there ready for anyone to use.

It's more about the information and groundwork then me going out there and making
people use it.... Was going to make a free tube script but I've got other things to go on
with for the next few months.

Personally I think it's the only really thought-out format with the others being a bit weak
on the forward thinking. While it complies with standards. So the ground-work is there in
a structured way that fits together with current and future as far as changes to Flash
MPEG4 support, pre-rolls and other things that haven't made it into tube sites just yet.

Really I think if you want to get feeds for all the sponsors then your best bet is to
aggregate them into one site that then takes a split on the refcodes. However means a
lot of running around getting keywords and descriptions for content from sponsors who
aren't so well organised.

-Ben

mryellow · 10-08-2008, 05:06 PM

btw.... Zorgman is both a very amateur coder, and a wanker. :-P

-Ben

10-07-2008, 10:58 PM	#1
farkedup Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Kalamazoo, MI Posts: 2,490	why is TEVS so expensive? TEVS vs nubiles (solution coming soon) Those 2 systems have set a decent bar for importing sponsored videos. TEVS has the kind of interface that dummies can quickly pop in and handle. Simplicity comes at the expense of features. If nubiles drastically overhauled both the frontend and the admin interfaces it would be one hell of a script. As is nubiles has a fairly steep learning curve and the frontend interface doesn't take advantages of the features it has behind the scenes. Nubiles + Free + More features + Fast imports + Auto categorizes/tags videos + CSS + Imports faster than TEVS - More work to import - Poor interface for both the frontend and admin TEVS + Very simple admin + clean frontend interface + fewer fields in import + Proven track record to hold up to high traffic levels - Manual tagging/categorization sucks - WAY too expensive - Tables... Hasn't everybody gone CSS by now? - Gay default template (keeping a clean interface doesn't HAVE to be so 1996 layout) I've been hired to make some things for it for a client so I've spent quite a bit of time with it these past couple of weeks... All I can say is it doesn't have many features, the admin is super basic and honestly doesn't have many features in it at all. I've been spending quite a bit of time with the nubiles system lately and I think the nubiles system is actually a BETTER system! If nubiles had a cleaner (made for dummies) interface it would win hands down! Is the fact that TEVS is a clean interface and allows you to import a bunch of sponsored videos EVERYTHING? Something I've found disturbing about TEVS is having to manually tag videos with keywords. Nubiles handles this for you. Once you get the "hang" of nubiles its imports do work faster than TEVS's Bottom line: Neither of these scripts should be called TUBE scripts, they are damn fine MGP CMS's but nowhere near actual TUBES. Both systems have a LOT of room for improvement but I would rather spend $250 on templating and customizing nubiles instead of $250 + more templating TEVS. Currently there simply is NOT a great option on the market for anybody wanting to focus on sponsored videos. proposed solution: Portable sponsor import system ;) STXT's XML format for sponsors is the only reasonable solution out there (Mr Yellows project is DEAD). We need to seriously band together and DEMAND all the big sponsors support this. Although I have a tube system that I have coded myself there are simply more feature packed TUBES out there. Some of them have so many features I could work 8 hour days for a full MONTH just to catch up to them. I simply don't feel like doing this right now. I am working on a "portable" sponsor import system I'm taking all the feeds I can get my hands on and I'm coding something that will be able to easily be plugged into ANY tube script. Now you'll be able to actually look at ALL of the scripts out there and not make your decision solely on the VERY few that offer sponsored video imports. ETA: First rev will ONLY support my script and will be available within the next couple days. Will be offering up a version with support for at least one free tube hopefully by the end of this weekend. __________________ -- QUOTE ME IT MAKES ME FEEL SPECIAL --

10-07-2008, 11:03 PM	#2
d-null . . . Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: NY Posts: 13,724	someone should do a quick step by step tutorial for the nubiles script __________________ __________________ Looking for a custom TUBE SCRIPT that supports massive traffic, load balancing, billing support, and h264 encoding? Hit up Konrad! Looking for designs for your websites or custom tubesite design? Hit up Zuzana Designs Check out the #1 WordPress SEO Plugin: CyberSEO Suite

10-07-2008, 11:06 PM	#3
Mutt Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34,431	what and where all these TUBE scripts with so many features? __________________ I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

10-07-2008, 11:14 PM	#6
bloggerz Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 16,256	see sig. __________________ I SELL ADULT BACKLINKS! Email: eroticweb>gmail SKYPE: gfybloggerz $$$$$ MAKE HUGE MONEY IN CAMS - CLICK HERE $$$$$

10-08-2008, 12:57 AM	#7
Zorgman Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 6,103	Nice little plug about your own script going to take videos from redtube. I still don't think you get it, are you really that dumb? REDTUBE steal content from people that work and post here. Think about that you tool. __________________ ---

10-08-2008, 03:31 AM	#12
paymeback Confirmed User Join Date: May 2005 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 1,478	The shit-slinging between these script owners is getting abit repetitive isnt it? I'ts quite clear you don't like zorgman and tevs, you don't see sponsors saying xxx company doesn't convert switch to us. This is a business, if you've got a product thats better than his thats fine pimp it just don't put shit on the competition in the process because its not going to get you new clients. Calling the default template "gay" is quite childish, its a template for a reason. __________________ ICQ:36-43-49-11

10-08-2008, 04:03 AM	#14
spooky181 Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: back of beyond Posts: 2,951	Hey Zorgman, are you able to add my hosted galls to your TEVS system?? I'm not interested in having my stuff included in the thread starters script, he doesn't come across very professional. I was talking to DW a while ago about it....

10-08-2008, 04:07 AM	#15
Zorgman Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 6,103	Hi Spooky, yes, I ran some tests on your galleries and they did work but remember im Australian and you had to unblock me from the hosted galleries. But yes, they work 100% I will be updating the sponsors page once the next version is released as it's all tired together. __________________ ---

10-08-2008, 05:39 AM	#16
CIVMatt Amateur Pimpin Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 13,075	Seriously if you can't afford TEVS or you think that its expensive for what it does, you don't belong in this business. TEVS is cheap and works, if you have something better then let your product speak for you. __________________ Make easy money with Webcams

10-08-2008, 06:04 AM	#17
candyflip Carpe Visio Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: New York Posts: 43,068	I love TEVS, just give us 1.1 already. __________________ Spend you some brain. Email Me

10-08-2008, 07:39 AM	#18
Zorgman Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 6,103	Candyflip, Im just zipping v1.1 beta up now for the beta testers to try out. Want to make sure it's 100% stable before the masses upgrade. :D __________________ ---

10-08-2008, 08:21 AM	#19
Click Obey Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 196	Farkedup - I keep on seeing you and others state that TEVs, and a few other scripts arent true tube scripts and I am by no means saying you are wrong but I find it kind of ironic that you want to call it an "mgp" script when its not that either. It seems like a round about way to bash the script by labeling it something its not. Maybe there needs to be some sort of industry wide term for these types of scripts but last time I checked the sites running tevs, nubiles script, ect are not MGPS. A movie gallery post uses galleries, free hosted, or you own. While these scripts load the movies within your own pages. To me there is quite a difference... On another note a "portable" sponsor import system sounds like it would definitely be helpful to all types of script users. __________________ Convert your clicks with Swank Dollars ICQ - 472 856 761

10-08-2008, 08:50 AM	#22
BV wtf Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Bikini State, FL USA Posts: 10,914	Hey Farkedup, Are you that fucked up? Tevs is a "type" of tube script that uses sponsor hosted videos. What's so hard to figure out about that? Some webmasters want only that. They don't want to accept submissions and deal with all that bullshit that comes with it. Just like some TGP/MGP's only use sponsor hosted galleries and don't accept submissions. What is so hard to figure out about that? Wake the fuck up! edit: and if you think $250.00 bucks is expensive then you are in the wrong business. Last edited by BV; 10-08-2008 at 08:51 AM..

10-08-2008, 08:51 AM	#23
Sosa In Tushy Land Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Nebraska Posts: 40,149	Can't wait for tevs 1.1 as well.

10-08-2008, 09:07 AM	#24
Jim_Gunn Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Where The Teens Are Posts: 5,702	I am appreciating all these tube threads, even if they bash each other a little bit because from that, one can discern some of the differences between the scripts. I don't carte about the semantics, they can all be called tube scripts for my purposes since I just need them for tube style and video sites that have no user uploads, just my own vids and/or embedded sponsor vids with an upsell to my own sites or clip stores or sponsor sites. At a superficial glance, I actually like some of the free ones more than the paid ones. I love the nice big thumbnails on Nubiles. Just have to see if there is a way to center the display of the main page rather than be left justified like I see on the samples. The Vidiscript one also looks promising if the thumbnails can be made bigger. The other thing about the paid scripts is how limiting they are if you want to use them on multiple domains. Using the free scripts, or even Wordpress to simulate them like I have seen one gentleman do, frees one up to use them on multiple sites in multiple genres once you find a system that works for you to drive traffic and make sales. Who wants to license a script for $250 or even $100 and then be limited to one domain, when you may have a dozen or more sites in mind that it might be possible to replicate the general framework with different content and headers on different domains. Same idea as having many Wordpress blogs or splogs- it's free software, so you can make lots of them.

10-08-2008, 09:20 AM	#25
Klen Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Little Vienna Posts: 32,235	I will wait one more year,and then i will say which script is better.

10-08-2008, 10:58 AM	#27
fris Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 55,379	the fast free media script isnt anything special __________________ Since 1999: 69 Adult Industry awards for Best Hosting Company and professional excellence. WP Stuff

10-08-2008, 01:30 PM	#29
tiger Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 6,986	Actually TEVS is cheap for what it does. Would be better if these scripts were more expensive. Then there would be less people that could create sites quickly and easily. Nubiles is a great script as well I just started playing with. But as far as features etc, TEVS wins and if he makes a few more improvements TEVS will be incredible. __________________

10-08-2008, 01:49 PM	#31
JamesK hi Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 16,731	Nice way of promoting your shit __________________ M3Server - NATS Hosting

10-08-2008, 01:49 PM	#32
Brujah Beer Money Baron Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: brujah / gmail Posts: 22,157	There was a $25 tube script in the Buy & Sell forum section too wasn't there? __________________ Free Premium Domain Lists and Tools at Clickmojo.com For Sale: Obscenity.com

10-08-2008, 01:52 PM	#33
ThumbLord Guest Posts: n/a	farked up, make us a script ( for the masses ) that can be used on multiple domains with an on/off switch for submissions and heh you have a winner. If you can supply a script like you say you can within a month, you have a winner. If you would consider people to beta-test your script I am game 4 sure.

10-08-2008, 02:09 PM	#36
The Duck Adult Content Provider Industry Role: Join Date: May 2005 Location: Europe Posts: 18,243	Tevs is too expensive yes. I would go with cliphouse, it looks very good right now. __________________ Skype Horusmaia ICQ 41555245 Email [email protected]

10-08-2008, 03:15 PM	#39
BSleazy Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: USA Posts: 6,721	Packed with features you can only find on major media sharing communities such as YouTube and LiveVideo, VidiScript is the most powerful FREE media sharing community script available online today. http://www.vidiscript.com/ __________________ icq 156131086

10-08-2008, 03:25 PM	#41
ThumbLord Guest Posts: n/a	thanks for explaining !

10-08-2008, 03:29 PM	#42
AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE best designer on GFY Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: IALIEN.COM - High Definition Video and Photographic Productions -ICQ 78943384 Posts: 30,307	I Invented BUlk Keywords for video clips. __________________ NAKED HOSTING FTW!11 I'm On The INSANE PLAN $9.95/mo! \| The Alien Blog Adult News Worth Reading Updated Daily \| Content For Sale! 641 PICS 216 MINUTES OF VIDEO $350.00 \|ICQ: 78943384 \|

10-08-2008, 03:44 PM	#44
halfpint GFY's Halfpint Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: UK Posts: 15,223	I use entertainmentscript and have just installed vidiscript. The entertainment script I have used for almost a year now and have never had any major problems with it, If you want a script that allows plugs, embeded and uploads to be turned on or off plus a link tracking list a cache which you can manually or set to update depending on the amount of users. It also has a download link for your affliates at the bottom of the clip. Plus a very easy template editor which is in the admin section plus a load of other features then go for that. For me it is perfect plus it was a breeze to install. The vidiscript I have just installed and it also seems pretty good. It has its problems like any new script but my first impressions of it is its also pretty good for a free script. They give you the script for free and sell you addons. I have so far purchased the brand removel and will buy the power player so all together the script will cost me $76.95 in the end. __________________ Get FREE website listings on Cryptocoinshops.net

10-08-2008, 03:57 PM	#46
shark laser Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 205	i've had quite a few clients using TEVS...that's all i can say __________________ contact (at) dancingonthehighway (dot) com

10-08-2008, 05:01 PM	#49
mryellow Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: Australia Posts: 934	My format isn't dead.... It's there ready for anyone to use. It's more about the information and groundwork then me going out there and making people use it.... Was going to make a free tube script but I've got other things to go on with for the next few months. Personally I think it's the only really thought-out format with the others being a bit weak on the forward thinking. While it complies with standards. So the ground-work is there in a structured way that fits together with current and future as far as changes to Flash MPEG4 support, pre-rolls and other things that haven't made it into tube sites just yet. Really I think if you want to get feeds for all the sponsors then your best bet is to aggregate them into one site that then takes a split on the refcodes. However means a lot of running around getting keywords and descriptions for content from sponsors who aren't so well organised. -Ben __________________ Cyberwurx Hosting After trying 5 different hosts, I found the best. Since 1997 I've had 2 hours of downtime. Fast support, great techs, no hype, no gimmicks. <- I in no way endorse whatever just got stuck on the left of my post.

10-08-2008, 05:06 PM	#50
mryellow Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: Australia Posts: 934	btw.... Zorgman is both a very amateur coder, and a wanker. :-P -Ben __________________ Cyberwurx Hosting After trying 5 different hosts, I found the best. Since 1997 I've had 2 hours of downtime. Fast support, great techs, no hype, no gimmicks. <- I in no way endorse whatever just got stuck on the left of my post.