I couldnt of said it better myself :thumbsup

It would actually matter what you said, if you weren't a hard core right winger. It doesn't matter if a hardcore right winger thinks that McCain won, just the same as it doesn't matter if a hardcore left winger thinks Obama won.

Of course each side will "claim" their guy won.. What matters is what the indy's think and I'd be willing to bet they would pick Obama.

you need to get better design for your sites first.

would have... should have...

It’s a sad situation

Most people in America are worth nothing because they believe everyone they fall for scams all day long and many people for for the same scam over and over again.

Only an American walks into a electronic store and asks the “commission based salesman” what he would suggest.

Then again tons of people especially the hipsters like to do things the opposite of common sense its part of their lifestyle, hipsters are the foundation of every problem on this planet.

What is a hipster? Well ill paint a picture for ya.

People who always look dirty

People who even if they don’t find a black guy or girl attractive for a date will still make a point to to be seen in public with them

Nothing wrong with being a vegetarian but there is something wrong with telling everyone you bump into that you are a vegetarian

People who look for things to protest about.

People who have craigslist as their default homepage

People who talk about Steve Jobs and macs all fucking day and how amazing he and the products are

People who just want to debate all fucking day about anything

People who admire abstract art even thou they have no clue what the fuck they are looking at.

People who post reviews all day long about restaurants they went and how overpriced and undercooked the food was, and how the “ambiance” wasn’t up to their dirty underwear standards.

People who might be straight but to show they support the gay community they will take a cock up their ass.

And last but not least “Obama supporters”

Obama has one thing going for himself and that is a good mouth hes a great speaker, heck that how we found out about him years ago he gave an amazing speech, written by someone else.

Is McCain perfect? Hell no! But we will be better off with someone with real experience in office right now, not someone who likes to bullshit and tell stories all fucking day.

Tony, we don't agree often, with this post being a notable exception.

More from debate viewers:
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/...oll/index.html

A majority of debate watchers polled thought Obama was more intelligent, by a 57 percent to 25 percent margin over McCain. Debate watchers also thought Obama more clearly expressed his views by a two to one margin, 60 percent to 30 percent.


but.....I see that not everybody on GFY have enough inteligence to understand his intelligence
:)

Sweetheart, turn on your TV!

We have real EXPERIENCED President now!

Governor of Texas, second term President of USA, not enough experience for you???
Would you elect George W Bush for the third term with all the expereince he has?

NO? You would not?
Than take all this "experience" talk and shove it.

Altoona area where ? Was in Altoona almost every weekend in the early 80s. Lived in Bedford county, where I went to HS.

explain your lie.

I dont know about that.....notice how he keeps referring to all Americans as " my friends " , ya when we are needed to vote for him, they call us friends but when we go back to working hard and paying all those tax dollars, they use that tax money in the wrong places and wrong ways.....they are all in it for money in my opinion...

Yep the McCain of 2000 is someone is would consider voting for. The McCain of 2008 not so much. He became a total sellout and pussy. After what Bush did to him in 2000 instead of bending over becoming his bitch he should have done his best to fuck him over. I lost all respect for McCain by 2004.

Whatever small % of me was considering voting for McCain was lost because of his chosing stupid, jesus freak, gun toting, book banning, hypocritical whore. President Palin? No fucking way. Can't risk that. Romney was the best choice for VP and hell I'd take Huckabee over Palin even though he's a super Jesus freak. At least he knows WTF is is talking about.

Well ok lets break it down a bit

The current financial crisis has anything to do with what bush did or more of what stupid fucking people did by not thinking right?

As far as the wars go well im sure you would of responded different after 9/11 but not everyone is as smart as you, guess what right now the world fears the USA because of bush and we havent been attacked since, get a weak person into office and our security (more important than anything) will be at risk.

Stop being one of those sheep follow sheep people and just think before you blabble

Middle America fucking loves her. If he wins, she will get the credit.

a Mormon? that's worse than the moose lover. :1orglaugh

my useless asshole opinion is that PALIN is going to win this election.

fact is, people want a dumbed down seeming candidate, that's why Bill Clinton was/is so popular, and GW is like everyone's drunk redneck buddy.

people need to stop thinking about actual politics, and look at the candidates and their humor rating, that's where the pull is in this country. :1orglaugh

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh

hi Serge :)

Thats what I have been saying all along.

People keep saying Vote Obama he will do X... Bullshit. He is a politician.

He will do what is best for his pocket.

NO ONE gets into politics to help the little guy. They get in to help themselves.



The other day George Clooney said he may run for some sort of office. Yeah Im sure it has a lot to do with helping the little guy, and NOT to do with stopping the tax hit on higher income people.

Define: politician

oh look! another tgp submitter without the financial backing for PPS looking to play program operator with a revshare program. :1orglaugh

I hate to break it to you but you're wrong.

the best things about opinions are:

1: they dont matter
2. you can make money from them

http://www.congratstothewinners.com/...won-again.html

wow, there actually WAS someone dopey enough to challenge me on this.
much like yourself, 13% of US workers already pay zero taxes. 95%+13%= a lie.
also, obama wants to raise the capital gains tax his exact words are,"I certainly would not go above what existed under Bill Clinton, which was 28%"

ok, so raising the capital gains rate from 15% to "under 28%" sounds like almost doubling it to me.
if 95% of US workers have zero investments, well then I guess we're ok.

get it? I'll bet you don't.

Hi ron, let me throw my opinion out. McCain may have won the debate, but obama was to perceived to have won it.

This wasn?t a test to where they could fill out a form and turn it in and get scored on how qualified they were, it was all perception and mcain, with his 100 ?my friends? looked desperate, that mad blinking in the background, slinging mud on obama (yea, I know it went the other way too but obama was much smoother about it). so for the average voter, a trucker out of Kentucky watuching the debate half paying attention because there is a kid screaming in the background, obama came out better.

but who knows what will happen election day. Getting people to vote will be another story. It was going the same way 4 years ago, then election night when the Reps won, my jaw dropped

All medias in south america says the debate was clearly won by Obama...

I didn´t watch it all, but according to what I watched Obama seemed to be more clear, instead of that McCain was trying to show experience, but he was not clear enough about the ideas he was tryting to transmite...

Reading over this thread is pure comedy. It's no wonder a lot of adult businesses fail.

Politicians promising war, no war, universal health care, more money for schools, colleges, whatever. All of that shit costs money.

But no one wants to raise taxes to pay for all these 'wants'.

Family's budgets do not work on unlimited funds, and neither should the government. Taxes are required to pay for this shit. Not to mention the deficit already rolling because of this kind of thinking. Maybe if you hit people with taxes on their wants more often, they would actually give a shit about politics from oil companies, corporate America, to the war or education.

Furthermore, tax breaks to the rich, the capital gains and the rest of that magic trick is simple bullshit. Bush and the Republican Congress has had 8 years of doing that stuff their way, and the economy's where? All those lost jobs? India? American wages? The middle class??

If you can actually say that shit works with a straight face. Seek help.

:2 cents:

what a surprise! would never have guessed you thought McCain won! lol

Pot meet kettle.

Keating 5 was before 2000 so he lost all ethical value before that time.

this is a landmine that neither will jump on.

:thumbsup

No argument there

still clueless, eh?

What am i clueless about? Please inform us all might traffic master.

Sweetheart, the FACT that you come here on GFY to work your butt off and me only come here when the boredome of my retirement gets the best of me is the proof that you are a sheep and I have track record of SHAVING sheep. Ask 12 Clicks, he'll tell ya
:)

As for the rest of your "deep thought",
can you repeat it again?

Hi to you and yours too! Thanks for stoppin by
;)

I don't think either one killed it, but I think there is no way McCain won the debate. If anything he failed to turn the tides by making the debate a game changer.

in the debate that I watched neither did a great job. I was quite disappointed actually. Maybe it was the format or maybe they just didn't answer the questions properly but I thought it was pretty sparse on new info.

Having lots of experience doing critical things wrong is not the way to go. It's like asking a criminal who frequently gets busted how to go about committing a crime.

It had as much to do with the "best and brightest minds" as it did with stupid people.


Obama and Biden both would have responded differently than Bush/McCain. They would have focused on Afghanistan.

9/11 happened on Bush's term. They fear him now but didn't prior to 9/11?

We've beefed up security and have been lucky there have been no attacks. It has nothing to do with "fear" of the figurehead we call President. These guys are willing to blow themselves up - they have no fear.

I do have concerns about Obama's economic policy. If it's just going to be more tax and more spend, we might as well keep what we have now. If there is going to be a real effort to cut spending, then maybe a combination of increased taxation makes sense. But Obama has said that he understands that you cannot raise taxes during times of economic downturns, so I'm not sure if he will even pursue his tax plan. If the economy doesn't recover during his term, how can he implement his plan?

The other thing I don't really know/understand is if forms of protectionism actually work or if free trade is ideal. And as far as jobs, American workers can't compete with slave wages paid to Chinese who can do the same job. Yet it makes perfect sense to me for companies to be able to find the most cost effective labor. When Obama and McCain talk about "keeping jobs" in America what do they actually mean and how do you realistically do that?

hahaha, silly kid.
I almost wrote,"go ask the 50 or so business owners I currently do business with what you're clueless about" but then I realized, you don't know any business owners. your a board troll. then I laughed, then I realized it was time for lunch.:thumbsup

the best you can do??? :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh
tgp submitter? with out financial backing of PPS? is this supposed to be offensive, smart or just plain stupid cause you had nothing better to say? :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh
idiot :2 cents:

I thought my SergeTracker ? was just acting up, so I smacked it a few times. But no, I see it's working perfectly.

Serge, why is it every time I see you post I have the urge to buy wine?

I almost had to abort this thread after your absolutely unnecessary and ridiculous tirade about "hipsters". How does that have any barring on the election?

So who's the sheep? Personally I would say the people who voted Bush into office a second time. Arguably it was fixed but the fact still remains he is in there. Everyone saw Kerry mop the floor with Bush. He was made to look like he had never even completed high school.

I find it funny that people even care about the debates when Kerry killed Bush (and for that matter Obama and McCain) yet still lost. These things don't matter...what matters in politics mostly is the unwaivering support of people like 12clicks. The middle ground is a small group and as was proven in the last election, the debates have no real barring on the choice the voters make.

I have serious concerns about McCain's outlook on the world. While foreign policy is supposed to be his strength, his positions and rhetoric IMO suggest he either sorely lacking in understanding or completely naive.

How on earth could one believe that America would be greeted as liberators in Iraq or that the war there would be won easily? Even non-military people with zero experience in foreign policy (eg. historian) could tell you this is implausible. McCain may be able to lead a regiment into battle, but I'm not sure I'd want him making the decisions about where those battles should be taking place.

McCain remarked that Obama is naive when Obama said he would kill Bin Laden if he knew where Bin Laden was and Pakistan wouldn't take action. I find that much more reasonable than McCain's offhand remarks about bombing Iran and wiping out North Korea.

The judgement call on focusing on Iraq over Afghanistan seems like another example of dropping the ball. Likewise the 'surge' tactic seems to me another ploy or a tactic used by somebody who doesn't get that more guns doesn't necessarily mean more success. It's other efforts that will make the necessary gains if any are made at all.

Here's a deeper analysis of the 'surge':
http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/...rge/index.html