Originally Posted by Jim_Gunn (Post 14855122)

I believe you, but a lot of restaurants do have that written on their bills, and in that case even if you filled out $0 tip and wrote in a total of $50, and even if you left cash on the table for a tip they would be within their right to add in the 18% gratuity if your party exceeded whatever it says on the bill, typically four or more people.

Originally Posted by Hardcore J (Post 14854843)

Okay guys.. here's where it stands right now...

About 10 days ago I ran 6 live (real) credit cards and took all the crosses from the companies I deal with, these all had to be canceled one by one.

I did this for several reasons:
1) To check that every cross partner would accept sales correctly
2) To make sure that nothing was being piggy backed onto joins when I send out
3) To make sure that I could cancel every join reasonably easy

All of my tests were successful and I was able to cancel crosses from every company I deal with easily, and also received and email notice from each sponsor about each new membership.

I haven't talked to Avalanche yet, but there must be some explanation for how this happened. After I talk with him I will replicate his join process and see if I can make the charges that he saw happen on my own card(s).

I understand that many of you are upset to hear this, but I'd like to ask that you don't make a final judgement until I can talk to Avalanche...

Thanks guys!

Originally Posted by Gambrinus (Post 14855116)

Jesus, this is some shady shit.

http://i37.tinypic.com/izrint.jpg

Visa seriously needs to clamp down on this shit. How do you scumbags sleep at night?

Originally Posted by Mr. Cool Ice (Post 14855297)

You mean how do we ALL sleep by helping porn addicts feed their addiction and possibly ruin families and lives? Dunno. Look in the mirror and ask yourself that.

Putting a few x-sales under the submit button is the least of these guys worries. Besides, go check all these join pages with a larger resolution, you CAN see these in most cases. It's only around 37% I was checking into that can't see them. Do a browser search and see what people are using. The majority of people CAN see the x-sales.

Now excuse me while I go to sleep like a baby. I'm sure as hell not gonna lose any of it over porn addicts.

Originally Posted by After Shock Media (Post 14855152)

That can end up biting us all in the ass. You know if we can not self regulate they will regulate for us and with a heavy hand.



FOUR? I have not seen anything under parties of 7-8 unless it was some hotel restaurant. If I even saw a mandatory tip for 4 at a non hotel place I would leave right then.

Now I know if they have it written somewhere, typically the menu. As you need to know this before you order that they can apply the charge for the mandatory tip (which is BS anyways) for larger parties even if you write 0.00 on the tip line on the receipt legally. Oddly if you do leave another tip they often piggyback the fucker anyways and apparently they can but I feel it is shady as hell.

Then again I also got nabbed hard on a mandatory tip because not only did they add a mandatory 20% to the bill on fucking piss poor service. They also took the tip from two fairly expensive bottles of wine ordered off the wine list that each were a few hundred. Forced tipping even on piss poor service is one thing, adding like a buck per drink is another, but ass fucking someone the 20% also on about 600.00 in wine charges is fucking beyond wrong.

Originally Posted by After Shock Media (Post 14855152)

That can end up biting us all in the ass. You know if we can not self regulate they will regulate for us and with a heavy hand.

Originally Posted by avalanche (Post 14853524)

And, one, no I won't name the program/site as this is something we all know is happening and isn't meant to be a public flogging. And, two, yes maybe I'm an idiot and I just missed a cross-sale on the join or cancel page somehow, but that still proves the point that this is wrong.

Originally Posted by avalanche (Post 14854003)

Yes, the program is MetalCash and their $1.23 sites. My post wasn't about flogging a program or giving them more attention then they need. The point was to re-ignite a topic we should all look at including ourselves and the sites we promote. We're all hypocrits to an extent and need to decide if the future of this industry is important for us to salvage or say fuck it and burn it down.

This may not be their business plan and it may not be others, but it's a slippery slope and maybe we ALL need to look at what we're doing, today, not tomorrow, and decide what's right!

Originally Posted by Mr. Cool Ice (Post 14855297)

You mean how do we ALL sleep by helping porn addicts feed their addiction and possibly ruin families and lives? Dunno. Look in the mirror and ask yourself that.

Originally Posted by Mr. Cool Ice (Post 14855297)

You mean how do we ALL sleep by helping porn addicts feed their addiction and possibly ruin families and lives? Dunno. Look in the mirror and ask yourself that.

Putting a few x-sales under the submit button is the least of these guys worries. Besides, go check all these join pages with a larger resolution, you CAN see these in most cases. It's only around 37% I was checking into that can't see them. Do a browser search and see what people are using. The majority of people CAN see the x-sales.

Now excuse me while I go to sleep like a baby. I'm sure as hell not gonna lose any of it over porn addicts.

Originally Posted by grumpy (Post 14854017)

not cause of your input. That red shit is just annoying

Originally Posted by Rochard (Post 14854707)

No, I didn't miss jack shit. I paid gratuity. I paid gratuity cash. I signed off allowing them to charge me $50 - Not anything more. What they did was illegal.

I signed the bill, put in the amount $50, put in $0 for the tip, and wrote the final charge as $50. Then I left a tip in cash. I didn't say "$50 and what ever else you decide to charge me".

They can loose their Visa account for shit like this.