Yes, we know for a fact that people didn't ride around on dinosaurs.

Wow I just might slightly change my opinion of you.

100% Biden had a boner this big the whole time.

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yeah, so you think the world is 2000 years old too?

It's 6000 years old, not 2000!

Seriously, that is a dealbreaker for me. Anyone who believes the Earth is 6,000 years old on either side automatically doesn't get my vote. I'm sorry, but we can't keep making our society dumber. I know this is big in the red states, but there is a reason they have the highest poverty levels and the lowest test scores.

That is because you are stupid


No we didn't ride dinosaurs, well the flinstones did, but I need to explain something to you. Flinstones was not a documentary

Yes they do. We have actual scientific evedence, you would have to not believe in DNA, Carbon Dating, Geology, chemistry and many many other forms of science that we know to be correct. You need to stop believing the crap creationists shout over and over again, about it all being theory, it isn't. We have actual scientific evidence.

Man did not ride around on the back of dinosaurs

No it isnt personal opinion. Its based on many many forms of science. We know for a fact man did not ride around on the back of dinosaurs, apart from the flinstones, which I have already explained wasn't actually shot 4 thousand years ago. But is what is know as a cartoon.

Hope that clears it up for you. :2 cents:

I bet her IQ is 40 notches above George's

The best post Ive seen here for a long time.

The thing I find most scarey is that the yanks, don't think this is an issue.

It is VERY scarey to think it could be, that the only thing between her being president is a 72 year old man being healthy for the next 4 years

I am scared :(

wtf is she winking for???

I understand that people will only ever think their candidate won, and no matter what Palin said .. if you have already decided to vote Democrat you will find some fault somewhere. I don't really like either of them though Biden didn't really say much apart from pointing out McCain's voting record on this or that, and taking potshots at Bush. Even though he really was quite a let down in the debate, I think he would have made a much much better candidate than Obama! Obama has that "I am better than you" factor .. kinda like the goody goody manufactured cheap plastic feel, though Biden seems like a real person, someone with flaws but someone real who you can trust and identify with.

yea and the almighty obama will magically solve all of the countrys problems! yea thats it!

let the college kids and first time voters run this country!

American Psycho - Paul Allen Murder Scene.

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She never answered ANY of the questions.... she would just skip past them, and start into one of her talking points. Drove me crazy that Biden and the moderator wouldn't call her on it like Katie did. BUT, since they didn't corner her she didn't look like the drooling idiot that she did in her interviews this last week..... Just an uneducated mouth piece for the right. I'd still fuck her, but vote for her? LOL G's up Hoes down!

They both pretty much just rode it out and hoped they didn't mess up too badly. You know she was trying to make sure she had a place to say that 'say it ain't so Joe' line which was just lame. In fact, the main thing I would say about her is that I could see her working through the bullet points in her head rather than actually listening to the question.

If you really want to know who won, it's Biden. The senior analysts all give their grades which means nothing, but then there is a user poll. As a whole Biden was graded a B, Palin a D, and i dont think CNN is really that partisan.

Now for my own personal opinion (I'm an independent supporting Biden & Obama):

Palin sounded naive and corny, Biden attacked McCain with substance - and then at certain points asked Palin to respond to his criticism and she really couldn't. When Palin attacked, Biden rebuffed really well and pointed out the shallowness of her arguments and then struck back by tying it back in with McCain point out her hypocrisy. He smiled at her a lot making him seem more likeable, and on key issues, they agreed, like gay marriage which is going to win over some conservatives imo - in some issues he agreed with her, and turned it against McCain, that hurts lol. He knew where to keep his stances similar, and where to separate them and then attack. He was articulate, spoke efficiently, he was very good, and the ultimate bridge to nowhere comment made the whole audience laugh which is impressive. Substance wise it was a bear slaughtering a puppy, but personality wise, he had the personality of a puppy himself. I thought he did fantastic, she did ok, probably than where I had her, but she was still pretty poor and really didn't know all that much with miselading attacks - she knew the very basics but not enough and was clearly outmatched. Only thing I liked was her comments on small business tax being bad, but then Biden responded with 95% of small business owners make 250k or less and go unaffected, maybe im biased cause my taxes will go up lol.

When clinton said obama will win this and not by a little, i dont think it was a fed line. I think people got caught up in the hype of the convention, McCain gave back all the momentum, which is exactly what happened to Obama and now has his lead probably as high as its ever been, and i think it will even go higher.

oh yeah, is it me or does all the "you betcha" and corny/cheesy comments make you nauszeous, i cant believe we have a world leader talking like that, its incredibly naive and unprofessional.. imagine if someone spoke like that in your office. :2cents

Biden accused McCain for being responsible for the deregulation of Wall street and the financial mess, then she skipped to respond 2 times and instead started talking about taxes.

She got owned.

No one said he'd solve all the problems. But he doesn't believe this is reality.

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One of the thing that bothers me about all the candidates is the term "Joe 6-pack". It just comes across as a degrading term to stereotype everyone. As if everyone but them are simpletons that just sit around drinking beer all the time. That none of us have real issues or real ideas.

I think both candidates do it and I heard it a few times at the debate. Just annoys the fuck out of me. Show some fucking respect.

'.....but I want to go back to that taxes point'

She manage to dodge just about all questions. Imagine if McCain takes office and send her to Russia. They'll eat her alive and none of the leaders will have any kind of respect for her. A Winking VP?

Honestly... it can't get any worse than it is now and correct me if I'm wrong... Bush is a republican. So is McCain.

I remember when that was taken....

good times. :2 cents:

I still miss longneckbob and Mr. Pickle.

That puts it at about 32. :upsidedow

I completely disagree. There is relativity and then there is objective truth. This is where independents come in. While lots of Dems and Repubs are purely partisan, independents like myself judge based on the merits. Biden won the debate easily. Palin was successful in clearing her damaged image to some degree.

Biden had lots to say while Palin repeated talking points. He outlined the differences in his position on the war. In McCain's worldview America was going to win in Iraq in a week. In Biden's worldview America would not be greeted as saviors by Iraqis and years of instability would ensue along with billions of dollars. In McCain's worldview, Afghanistan could be virtually ignored. In Biden's worldview, most of our efforts should have been in Afghanistan. He points out that we spend more money in Iraq in three weeks than we have in the entire 6.5 years we've been in Afghanistan (this is the country that is home to the 9/11 terrorists and Bin Laden). He outlined the need to support Democracy in volatile places like Pakistan to avoid further problems.

In Biden's view, repeating the tax plan that was a success in Alaska under Palin, is the approach to take nationally, while McCain's plan is opposite to Palin's own record on taxes but she has to support it. In Biden's view regulation rather than deregulation is key in Wall Street as is alternative energy which McCain's record is sparse on.

Biden was much sharper in the debate. You could feel comfortable with him giving sound advice to Obama and taking the helm if something happened to Obama. There was no similar feeling of worldliness or understanding eminating Palin.

If you're going to say one, you have to say the second one as well.

The guy said that anyone who thinks that the world is only 6000 years old and you come back with "and the almighty obama will magically solve all the countrys problems!"

The guy never even mentioned Obama, much less thinking that he'd solve anything. Yet look at you all over yourself. You debate like Palin did. No wonder you think she did well.

My words last night. He looked very confident.

Totally scripted, she was mostly just repeating all the buzzlines shes been repeating since she got on the ticket. I wasn't impressed.

I have to remember that you like to kid around a lot.

:1orglaugh

Picture that woman answering the red phone at 3am in the morning with her finger no the nuke button:uhoh:uhoh:eek2:eek2

And we all know you only have half a brain, so go for it dude.

I wanted to strangle her

she is trying to see Russia from the podium

http://www.congratstothewinners.com/...lin-russia.jpg

If you watch closely... she had cue cards for every issue on her podium... she was scrambling to find the right one a couple of times. If you watch Biden... he writes down the points he wants to rebut while she talks.

Kicked ass? By what standards did you come up with that? Sorry she hardly kicked ass. Not making a complete fool of yourself is not "kicking ass". Coming off as not a retard but still not too smart, is not "kicking ass". She did NOT win. She FAILED to actually answer a question 10 times in the debate. She says she wants to model her vice presidency after Dick Cheney's. That right there is enough for me not to vote for McCain. when asked how a McCain/Palin term would be different that W's 2 terms, she COULD NOT come up with ONE thing that would be different. Fact is that I'm more ready to be VP than her and even I wouldn't vote for myself.

she won? she sucked! people amaze me. she is so out of her league its not funny. anyway back to the main event.

Every person on this board who said Palin is intelligent and won the debate are cold because their double wide ran out of gas.

And the fact is that is MUCH more likely that Palin will have to take over for McCain than Biden will Obama. McCain should haved tapped Romney as his VP he'd might be ahead and wouldn't be abandoning Michigan.