His problem then he would have been directly 'attacking' a 'poor defenceless almost MILF' the nasty bastard. Pretty sure he was trying hard not to do so despite wanting to as despite the fact that she could end up running the country how dare anyone be mean to her :disgust

I'd vote for the Maverick. Dude pulled a royal flush to beat a straight flush, 4 of a kind, and full boat to win a poker tournament...if anyone can pull magic out of their ass to save the economy, he can!

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Aint that the truth.

My fiance asked why the baby is always asleep. lol

Palin's programmed babbling bores it to sleep.

your ears bleed?








And in other news...

She did take that Energy direction and what I did in Alaska, Oil/gas direction. Sucks that some Americans will buy into that crap and to know some Americans will buy into the BS, danger, war, death idea, just more of the same fear.

Overall.. Very funny debate.... Both had some good answers, both screwed up a few times. I loved it when she was just stumped, best part every time.

Did they really have to drag that poor baby to the stage yet again? :Oh crap

They forced Levi Johnson to have a shotgun wedding, why wouldn't they :1orglaugh

1. Palin didn't quote any specifics and most of the answers were a complete "run around"... her answers were more rhetorical.

2. Created her own questions before time and answered them without anyone bringing them up

3. Wants increased legislative power for the VP when the VP functions are executive (checks and balances anyone?)

4. Clearly rehearsed and lacked substance. Nothing can be taken from this debate from Palin's side.

5. Biden was very specific in his answers, embraced the topics and clearly outlined the differences between Barack and McCain...

6. I loved the winks ;) ... Kinda aroused me ;)

Yup. He was warned and warned to not be mean to the little, defenseless woman - which, of course, wouldn't have been the case for anyone debating against Hillary. Biden is better off being the nice guy and being perceived as friendly and acceptable to the Republican base, rather than angering them, even if it does mean that he's not allowed to hammer out a better argument.

I see it as a tie. She did what she needed to do which was not sound like a complete moron and Biden didn't do what he shouldn't which was to be overbearing, disrespectful, long-winded and preachy.

Oh you mean issues? Come on..this is not about issues folks :winkwink:

probably Embarassed :1orglaugh

Illuminating debate.

Palin was successful in repairing her image - showing that she can actually perform on her feet. But I don't think she breeds confidence in the role of VP or potential President.

Biden was the clear winner. He talked specifics and substance.

Verdict: Palin makes her base happy, saves herself from shame, has a future; Biden reassures his base and Independents that he is suited for VP as well as President should he have to succeed Obama. Between the two tickets I think Biden compliments Obama better than Palin compliments McCain.

Being unable to answer 90%+ of the questions and spouting the same rhetoric over and over != performing on your feet :2 cents:

Finally some real post, this is what it was all about.

and..... Palin is definitely a MILF damn!

There was plenty of that, but considering this could have been a disaster, she did all that she had to do - create no further damage.

I still disagree hugely. You stated she proved she could perform on her feet. She simply didn't.

She was way out of her depth and unable to answer the vast majority of questions. I'm also a little lost as to how that created no further damage? I didn't have a high opinion of the woman to start but went into this with an open mind...my view of her could now not get any lower and I'd be amazed if I was even close to alone on that.

All the debate proved was that she should of stayed where she was ie in local politics of a smallish population.

She answered the questions coherently. Obviously lots of it was scripted type answers, but even that's better than what she did in the interviews. Obviously there was no depth there but it wasn't a disaster.


No gaffes or lines SNL can use [unmodified] for sheer laughs. If she did that, she would have caused more damage. I suppose I mean catastrophic damage because I think that the performance will actually sway some to re-consider the McCain/Palin ticket on the whole. But there isn't going to be a huge run from the ticket like there might have be if the performance was as poor as the interviews.

This is just an opinion. I could be completely wrong.

Here is one question/statement that stood out for me the whole night. I think I heard correctly Palin say she was for same sex marriages and agreed with Biden? Did anyone else catch this? That's a huge shift from evangelical/republican beliefs isn't it?

I wasn't clear on that either.They both support same sex benefits but neither supports same sex marriage. I guess they believe what you call it is a personal matter and do not agree with redefining marriage as anything other than union between man and woman. So for all intents and purposes gays can get 'married' and would be fine with both candidates.

From the transcript:

BIDEN: Absolutely. Do I support granting same-sex benefits? Absolutely positively. Look, in an Obama-Biden administration, there will be absolutely no distinction from a constitutional standpoint or a legal standpoint between a same-sex and a heterosexual couple.

The fact of the matter is that under the Constitution we should be granted -- same-sex couples should be able to have visitation rights in the hospitals, joint ownership of property, life insurance policies, et cetera. That's only fair.

IFILL: Let's try to avoid nuance, Senator. Do you support gay marriage?

BIDEN: No. Barack Obama nor I support redefining from a civil side what constitutes marriage. We do not support that. That is basically the decision to be able to be able to be left to faiths and people who practice their faiths the determination what you call it.

IFILL: Is that what your said?

PALIN: Your question to him was whether he supported gay marriage and my answer is the same as his and it is that I do not.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/...te.transcript/

Nope. She said she opposes same sex marriage.

You can train a pig (with or without lipstick) to do tricks, and at times it may appear to the public that the pig is doing something that requires it to be intelligent, when in fact it is just putting on a good show and doing what it was trained to do. 'nuff said.

Palin did much better than her youtube vids lead me to believe.

Thanks for clearing it up..so they both support same sex benefits which I didn't hear it right.

I think Biden did a real service to Obama when it came to foreign policy experience, of which he has plenty. He basically made the case that for all of McCain's military experience, McCain's been fundamentally wrong in his foreign policy ambitions and approach.

So you basically have Biden able to match or best McCain on military/foreign policy while Obama and Biden can both do the same to Palin on economics. The latter has executive experience but seems ill-prepared or unable to transfer that experience on the national level due to unfamiliarity or not enough understanding of it.

Biden essentially argued that he and Obama want to do exactly what Palin did successfully in Alaska - tax super wealthy companies to give tax breaks to the middleclass. McCain's tax proposal is polar opposite to what Palin did in Alaska. She taxed oil companies in order to cut taxes for the middleclass and to give the the middleclass royalties from oil revenues. Her past success in this area is actually in lockstep with Obama's tax plan.

Biden also challenged McCain's "Maverick" status directly.

I think these things make Obama and Biden a more formidable team at this point.

"Say it ain't so joe... there ya go again, dog gone it"




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i feel sad for biden

poor guy wanted to run for president, talks shit about obama

now has to humiliate himself and whore himself out for this fraud obama.

what an insult and a slap in the face for this guy and his years of work in politics

I liked how he turned around that Health care $5,000 tax credit to a $22,000 "Bridge To Nowhere", yikes.. that fucking hurt Palin but no one seemed to catch that rebuttal. It was fucking awesome.

the crowd caught it. there was a subtle wave of laughter coming from the audience when he said that.

she did well and I think earned herself a tie...

We'll see how she does at the next debate.

This was the only VP debate.

Palin's next debate will be in her comeback attempt for mayor of Wassilla. And after that we'll hopefully never hear of her again.

He blamed the financial mess on McCain and the republicans and she didn't even want to respond. She probably hadn't rehearsed that so she switched topic. BIG MISSTAKE

btw i dont understand something. Why do they call this a debate? They are just answering questions of a 3rd party, a debate is a discussion between people. This sucks.

It's a weird thing in the US (for anyone having stepped outside its borders for any length of time) that the president very rarely has to answer questions and even the candidates rarely meet head to head. So ANY king of debate (and I use the term loosely) is important to them.

Compare that with the UK for example where the main opposition gets to grill the PM more or less every week and harsh press interviews are common.

Been reading more posts and articles on it elsewhere stating it was a 'tie' because she didn't do as badly as she could. It'll be an interesting olympics next time if that's gonna be the criteria for awarding medals :)