Tube sites have better ratios than that so I cant see blaming them.

time to drop melissa and bonanza - damn!
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I still saw 1:1,490 in Sept with ccbill programs. Down a little. I think part of it DOES have to do with cookies being blocked more often as well as, oh, things like Opera labelling refer.ccbill.com as a scam site. It would be nice to see ?aff=blahblah tracking added in addition to the cookies to ccbill (while allowing the old codes to work still!!!) as well as resolution to the opera fraud warning. Every little bit helps.

Traffic stats alone don't say much. One would really need to analyze the source sites, where those sites get their traffic from and the time frame involved. By seeing only that screen cap, I can think of only two assumptions, and neither are pretty. Saying "your traffic is shit," is rude and unfair, but so is implying that CCBill is screwing you. Obviously, all of those sponsors aren't scamming you.

What is your supposition?

For what it's worth, I agree with Trixie as I am one those affiliate webmasters who prefers CCBill programs over NATS programs. I've always had better ratios with simple, smaller CCBill programs, though I do wish I could find one that had a good multi-site access site to promote.

Felix Flow too - thats www.KariSweets.com site

I cant believe it's doing 1:32,000

Something is seriously fucked.

Thats why i dont touch CCBill programs. Makes my life easier :)

Well, let's hope more free porn sites go up soon.

How about you? Are you going to combat this issue with a free tube site of your own?

That's the only logical plan I can think of myself. As long as all of our sales are going down the only sensible solution is clearly to GIVE AWAY MORE FREE PORN!

"But MY tube site is legit"... whatever the fuck that means!

If you are giving away free porn, then you are part of the problem - just face it.

Tube sites are a race to the bottom.... period!

Evolve and die!

Tube sites are the new TGPs

do they really? if so maybe only because they are getting the newbies by word mouth or first page google placings on generic terms, and also maybe because you really have to work hard as a surfer to find a join link to a sponsor on those tube sites, so they might actually only be sending one click to sponsor out of 10,000 surfer uniques to their site

they are still a big part of the blame :2 cents:

yea I noticed that after posting. I like katie sweets. she should do well . must not match your traffic i guess... not sure...

do you do well with non nude?

how is it not matching traffic if the surfers click on her fucking thumbs?

Sales are down for 2 main reasons:

1) TUBE SITES (ie the proliferation of TONS of FREE PORN!)
2) The overall economy.

Maybe it's because I could see more skin and get off easier looking at a Myspace page....

That statement is ridiculous. That encompasses a whole slew of traffic type sites. That would include TGP's, Link Lists, Pic Posts and the likes. Should all of those outlets be shut down as well? :disgust

Okay, maybe that statement was too broad. In the past a surfer was given a "taste" of a site, using short 10 to 30 second preview clips, and/or a small gallery of images. Okay, technically that IS free porn, but it is no comparison to what is going on today.

Which tube sites are the most popular nowadays? The ones that offer 30 second and 1 minute clips, or the ones that offer clips that are 2 minutes through full length videos?

If you enter the tube game you are doing so in order to attract traffic to your FREE PORN site. How do you make your tube site popular? You give away as many clips as you possibly can, and the longer the better.

This is a race to the bottom. When the industry is in an evergrowing competition to give away more than the next guy, then it will inevetibly self-destruct.

Pretend you are a surfer, and go to Google and conduct a search for "free porn".

Now tell me why sales are in the toilet....

Because your surfers are searching for "free porn". :warning

I used to say the same thing but if you look at who is getting SE listings and with them updating full movies for free I dont buy your whole cop out bullshit.

um if you think that tube sites are only being listed under free porn keywords you dont work dont work in SE at all. They get all niche traffic.

I see the same stuff. The only two CCBill solo girl programs that convert for me are Phil-Flash and Spunky Cash. I agree about Bonanza Bucks, bunch of amateurs.

- AshCash is actually the old program. Raging Bucks is her new program with a couple other girls. I heard that converts much better.

Exactly.

When a surfer sees a gallery, clicks on it, looks at the pics or vids, clicks for the tour, goes through the tour....and then you still end up 0:5000 It's NOT the traffic. Obviously the surfers are interested.

I would suggest looking at each of those sites and then googling them up and seeing just how much of their stuff is all over the tubes and torrents. I am actively working to keep my paysite stuff OFF of them through encrypted streaming and paying removeyourcontent.com to get all my old stuff off.

That is the only solution I found for Claudia-Marie.com As for my tgp's and the hundreds of affiliate programs I promote....it's like a fucking war zone.

How far back are those stats if you dont mind me askin Davey?

you are completely missing the point


the main product that this industry is selling and has been able to sell in the near past is video, and that is what is being given away by tubes (in much more than quick teaser fashion)... the tubes don't care, because they are not in the business of selling video or membership in video porn sites, they are trying to use the stolen porn to build traffic to sell other products (in a shortsighted cash in quick before dating and cams are oversaturated) and/or build traffic and sell out

this industry relies on a greatest percentage of the product being video, not pictures or anything else (those are out there but to support the industry in the numbers that are now involved in trying to survive, there needs to be profit in producing and selling video, cams or dating will never amount to what is needed for a healthy industry)..... tube sites, by giving away the entire product that this industry relies on, are killing the industry and killing it in a hurry :2 cents:

http://cleavage.es/ccb1.jpgmy ccbill stats are just fine these days... that dates back a couple of months though.

Unless your ccbill account has some kinda neat voodoo hex on it? Try making a new ccbill account and testing things. Otherwise i dont know, seems like shitty traffic.

See SIG :)

Tube sites that don't have 30 minute vids (and even the ones that do) aren't the main problem since the videos one finds on a tube site are essentially random. But surfer forums with links to torrents and rapidshare downloads are much worse since the surfer can search on the exact content that they want by stars or genres or site names and they can often find it and download it for free. This is what Robbie was referring to earlier in the thread and I think he is on the money.

Hmm.. I think you might have something there..

I know all program owners are top notch, but maybe in this uncertainty and economic situation, maybe some program owners are reducing the amount of days the cookie is valid. I'm seeing exactly the same thing off CCBILL, ratios are getting alot worse. :2 cents:

If anyones interested, i'll post some stats later tonight for 2008 YTD in CCBILL, and my traffic sources are varied off tgp, mgp, tube, forum, submitting, cms, etc etc... I do it all. :upsidedow

Mine is set for 255 days...the longest that was allowed back when I set it (years ago)...Maybe you can set it for longer now....I would set eternal cookies if I could...

Hey dude dont want to spam the thread at all.
But maybe u can redirect some of that traffic to us and u would get for it for sure a better result.
We have a new affiliate program for a webcam site and some of our affiliates performing fantastic have even a 1:27 ratio

Too good to believe ? well u have nothing to loose by trying it. . .

http://www.cashoncams.com

Every time I hear this or see this, it drives me crazy. Nothing to lose? Unless you consider your time to be worthless, then that's a true statement, otherwise, forget it.

It takes time to build a site, it takes time to work traffic, it takes time to filter traffic, it takes time to set up trades, it takes time to maintain content, it takes time to SEO a site.

I mean it's not like I can just decide that just because you think I have nothing to lose, I can turn on some magical switch and just start sending traffic to your program. Unless you want shit broker traffic, which doesn't convert worth the price you paid for it.

Anyways, good luck. I'm sure cams are very profitable for people who are into cam girls! :2 cents:

You should try the affiliate program True Amateur Cash from the amateur paysite True Amateur Models

My current affiliates are doing phenominal with turning over sales. Of course, it depends on the affiliate but some of them are turning over 20-30 sales per day...and that's per affiliate. 100% real and exclusive amateur content shot and produced by myself. CCBill based program, 50% on new and recurring sales and a 10% webmaster referral. Don't just take my word for it though, go ahead and give it a try and you will see for yourself how well the FHG's convert. :)

Damn, I have a rule for myself, if after 10k clicked in, theres no sale, then I stop promoting that sponsor.

Okay, then just conduct a search for "porn" or whatever combo of adult key words you think a sufer may type in. The bottom line is, every day many new tube sites pop up, and every day tons of surfers learn that porn is FREE.

What do you sell... hats?

time to try something new, rebills on philflash look nice though

Wow, what a way to work yourself up for disappointment. Instead of changing your business model to fit whats new right now, you're running around blaming tube sites and trying to stop em. GOOD LUCK BUDDY!

The economy is changing, surfers have changed and are still changing, user interfaces are changing, people are embracing new means of getting their entertainment...

Yet you... you think you can keep doing the same ol tired shit everyone else is doing and the money gonna stay the same or get better. Forget about it, its not gonna happen.


Its not about what product we're selling and how much of it is out there cus theres always been free porn and surfers are way savvier and know how to get it. Its about user experience and HOW you sell your product.

The days of you telling the surfer what they need/want is over. If you cant deliver the goods, someone else will... you can bet on that. Its a consumer driven market and if you dont understand and see that, I highly suggest re-evaluating your business model after some thought. But then again some learn the hard way.

Either way, I wish you lots of sales and steady rebills :thumbsup

uh hit me up on icq i got an offer for you I want to try something.... you will make money

I'm pretty sure the default cookie life is set to 3 days on ccbill.