UK will become a THEOCRACY... Sharia Law is now legally binding!!!

[sperbonzo]

ISLAMIC law has been officially adopted in Britain, with sharia courts given powers to rule on Muslim civil cases.

The government has quietly sanctioned the powers for sharia judges to rule on cases ranging from divorce and financial disputes to those involving domestic violence.

Rulings issued by a network of five sharia courts are enforceable with the full power of the judicial system, through the county courts or High Court.

Previously, the rulings of sharia courts in Britain could not be enforced, and depended on voluntary compliance among Muslims.

It has now emerged that sharia courts with these powers have been set up in London, Birmingham, Bradford and Manchester with the network?s headquarters in Nuneaton, Warwickshire. Two more courts are being planned for Glasgow and Edinburgh.


In fact, Muslim tribunal courts started passing sharia judgments in August 2007. They have dealt with more than 100 cases that range from Muslim divorce and inheritance to nuisance neighbours.

It has also emerged that tribunal courts have settled six cases of domestic violence between married couples, working in tandem with the police investigations.


http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle4749183.ece


You people in the UK should be REALLY REALLY watching this.....

[sperbonzo]

"There are concerns that women who agree to go to tribunal courts are getting worse deals because Islamic law favours men.

Siddiqi said that in a recent inheritance dispute handled by the court in Nuneaton, the estate of a Midlands man was divided between three daughters and two sons.

The judges on the panel gave the sons twice as much as the daughters, in accordance with sharia. Had the family gone to a normal British court, the daughters would have got equal amounts.

In the six cases of domestic violence, Siddiqi said the judges ordered the husbands to take anger management classes and mentoring from community elders. There was no further punishment.

In each case, the women subsequently withdrew the complaints they had lodged with the police and the police stopped their investigations. "


This is really f**king scary....


What is the UK Government thinking?



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[aico]

You're brainwashed into being afraid of Muslims, that sucks.

[marcjacob]

The important bit here is:

Under the act, the sharia courts are classified as arbitration tribunals. The rulings of arbitration tribunals are binding in law, provided that both parties in the dispute agree to give it the power to rule on their case.

Basicly Sharia courts have arbitrator status. All parties must agree before hand to be bound by the rulings. This is no different to any other arbitrator.

This article is over playing things slightly

[sperbonzo]

Originally Posted by aico

You're brainwashed into being afraid of Muslims, that sucks.

I'm not afraid of Muslims... I'm afraid of theocracies...

Even Muslims I'm friends with here in the US don't want Sharia law to become binding here.

[Manowar]

Wow, that's fucked up

[buzzy]

Location: Miami, FL

No wonder you are a fucking retard.

Jews have had their own courts here for many many many many years, and now there are courts for Muslims on cases such as divorce but only if they both agree to be held in a Sharia court.

I'm perfectly happy with that, as both sides will have to give consent.

[sperbonzo]

Originally Posted by buzzy

Location: Miami, FL

No wonder you are a fucking retard.

Excuse me? Who the fuck are you?

The only retard here is someone that can't have a discussion on topics without resorting to personal insults and name calling.

What are you, a 12 year old?

[Lycanthrope]

Rock the Casbah

[Ayla_SquareTurtle]

Pure insanity, as are the Jewish courts. If you want to follow the rules set forth in some ancient book, go for it, but it shouldn't be part of the government.

[buzzy]

Originally Posted by Ayla_SquareTurtle

Pure insanity, as are the Jewish courts. If you want to follow the rules set forth in some ancient book, go for it, but it shouldn't be part of the government.

Pure insanity is that 99% of the people on this board have the reading comprehension of a 6 year old, including you. Sharia is not "part of the government".

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

Excuse me? Who the fuck are you?

The only retard here is someone that can't have a discussion on topics without resorting to personal insults and name calling.

What are you, a 12 year old?

I'm someone who can read and actually lives in the UK. Look at the title of this thread, totally false and misleading, if you post like a 6 year old then don't complain if you are treated like one.

[fuzzylogic]

lmao . .

[sperbonzo]

Originally Posted by buzzy

Pure insanity is that 99% of the people on this board have the reading comprehension of a 6 year old, including you. Sharia is not "part of the government".



I'm someone who can read and actually lives in the UK. Look at the title of this thread, totally false and misleading, if you post like a 6 year old then don't complain if you are treated like one.

I did phrase the title to be provocative, yes. As do many people on this board.

....and I lived in the UK for 4 years, in Bristol, Liverpool and London.

I still however stand by the SPIRIT of that title. I think that the EU is heading down a path that will ultimately lead to an attempted hijacking of those democratic governments by Muslim fundamentalists. There is nothing about Jewish doctrine that even provokes the recruiting of new Jews, let alone the taking over of governments. On the other hand, the aim of fundamentalist Islam is to do that very thing.

*shrugs*

I think that a lot of people in the UK and the EU are so afraid of appearing politically incorrect, or causing any kind of confrontation, that they will slowly but surely roll over for that Fundamentalist take over, as it happens bit by bit.

[aico]

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

The only retard here is someone that can't have a discussion on topics without resorting to personal insults and name calling.

What are you, a 12 year old?

Uhhhh...

Oh never mind.

[David!]

buzzy, please do us all a favor and shut your mouth.
Your country is done, in 10 years you will have Prime Minister Mustafah and King Mahmoud.
You'll be the first one they'll decapitate live on YouMustafah. They won't care you defended them here.
Now fuck off

[halfpint]

LOL just for once I have to agree with Buzzy on this. This is where the word "democratic" comes in. No one is going to be forced to abide by Sharia law over here its a choice given to those who want to use it. We have a very large multi cultural society over here now and just like we allow muslims to pray at thier temples and have done for years this is a similar thing. People have the choice....

[buzzy]

Originally Posted by PussyMan

Ibuzzy, please do us all a favor and shut your mouth.
Your country is done, in 10 years you will have Prime Minister Mustafah and King Mahmoud.
You'll be the first one they'll decapitate live on YouMustafah. They won't care you defended them here.
Now fuck off

Muslims make up about 1.5% of the UK. You're right i should be fucking terrified.

Please.......

[Ayla_SquareTurtle]

Originally Posted by buzzy

Pure insanity is that 99% of the people on this board have the reading comprehension of a 6 year old, including you. Sharia is not "part of the government".

Actually, I can read just fine, can you? What about this part?

"Rulings issued by a network of five sharia courts are enforceable with the full power of the judicial system, through the county courts or High Court."

If it's not related to the government, then why will the government's courts be enforcing the rulings? Unless the article is a complete lie, at this point, part of the government's job is to enforce these rulings. That doesn't make "sharia law" part of the government, but it makes enforcing it in particular cases part of the government's job. It should NEVER be the government's job.

I think you are the one with poor reading and comprehension skills.

[_Richard_]

Originally Posted by marcjacob

The important bit here is:



Basicly Sharia courts have arbitrator status. All parties must agree before hand to be bound by the rulings. This is no different to any other arbitrator.

This article is over playing things slightly

food for thought..

in a society where women are 2nd, how do they decide if both parties actually agree?

how do they insure that these judgements aren't considered direct quotations from God? or feel a necessity to agree to a 'trial' if they're faithful?

way to many stories of daughters/wives being murdered for this to actually be a possibility in Canada.. and i'm not even talking about Islam..

[Rochard]

So if I move to the UK I can have ten wives?

[Doctor Dre]

Originally Posted by aico

You're brainwashed into being afraid of Muslims, that sucks.

Actually theses laws are pretty extremists.

[AtlantisCash]

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

I'm not afraid of Muslims... I'm afraid of theocracies...

Even Muslims I'm friends with here in the US don't want Sharia law to become binding here.

Actually i don't know where to start but, as a being a Muslim, You count me in the people who don't want to be judged at sharia laws too;

Because,

in Today's World, You'll see nor İran, neather Arab countries true practicing İslamic Laws,

For Example: There is no stoning punishment in İslamic laws,

in real law if a woman had forbidden sex or prostituting, The Woman should be closed in a building/house until She penitences and She says She will never act like that anymore.

with modern meaning that could be kind of jail penalty.

i think there are some whipping punishments too for both Men and Women, but i forgot What was that exactly.

There is stoning in Jew Sharia as i know (if i m wrong a jew friend can correct me), GOD Knows, Shia Sect maybe got that kind of punishment from Their jew Nabers or it was kind of an ancient punishment at middle east.

Pardon Me if i used some bullshit sentences, cause i m too sleepy right now and i can answer with a Better Mind in the morning i think

[Libertine]

Originally Posted by buzzy

Jews have had their own courts here for many many many many years, and now there are courts for Muslims on cases such as divorce but only if they both agree to be held in a Sharia court.

I'm perfectly happy with that, as both sides will have to give consent.

The "both sides will have to give consent" part is the problem. Because, in many cases, ties to family and such mean they actually will *have* to give consent, whether they want to or not.

A muslim woman divorcing an abusive husband will often be shunned by the family, simply for divorcing her husband. If it's possible to have a sharia court decide on further proceedings, choosing not to use that court might cause even more shunning, or even threats and violence. After all, apparently she's not just divorcing her husband, but also actively rejecting Islam!

Make it possible for people to consent to give up their legal rights, and you make it possible for others to pressure them into consenting.

[tony286]

off topic it was nice seeing you Micheal. Next time I get to miami I will call you so we can get together smoke cigars and solve the problems of the world. From the right and left prospective.

[topnotch, standup guy]

Originally Posted by aico

You're brainwashed into being afraid of Muslims, that sucks.

Tell that to her.

[cykoe6]

While it is true that the UK is being destroyed from within by Muslim immigrants I have to agree with Buzzy that this particular issue is not that big of a deal. In a free society people should be able to arbitrate their civil disputes under whatever system they both agree on. Obviously it will lead to more Muslim women being subjected to the the horrors of Sharia law within the UK, but in a free society you cannot protect people from themselves and their own bad decisions.

[moeloubani]

Originally Posted by Libertine

The "both sides will have to give consent" part is the problem. Because, in many cases, ties to family and such mean they actually will *have* to give consent, whether they want to or not.

A muslim woman divorcing an abusive husband will often be shunned by the family, simply for divorcing her husband. If it's possible to have a sharia court decide on further proceedings, choosing not to use that court might cause even more shunning, or even threats and violence. After all, apparently she's not just divorcing her husband, but also actively rejecting Islam!

Make it possible for people to consent to give up their legal rights, and you make it possible for others to pressure them into consenting.

There is so much wrong with what you said. I don't know why you think a woman would be shunned by her family for divorcing her husband anymore in one place in the world than another. It's always a rough experience, and it changes the way people look at you anywhere you go.

A muslim woman divorcing an abusive husband doesn't get shunned by her family, that's made up. It's the same as a woman getting abused anywhere and the divorce happens with people helping her out the same as they would anywhere. The actual divorce is done according to their laws and so the woman doesnt reject islam, I'm not sure where you got that from.

People consent to give up legal rights all the time, police men do it, celebrities do it, so I'm not sure what you mean by that either.

Really the ignorance of some people is astounding. They don't take a second to look things up even though they are sitting in front of a machine that can tell them anything they need to know in literally 2 minutes. But still, they make shit up, and go on about shit they have no idea about.

[moeloubani]

Originally Posted by topnotch, standup guy

Tell that to her.

So should I be afraid of all white Americans now?

[Ayla_SquareTurtle]

Originally Posted by moeloubani

There is so much wrong with what you said. I don't know why you think a woman would be shunned by her family for divorcing her husband anymore in one place in the world than another. It's always a rough experience, and it changes the way people look at you anywhere you go.

A muslim woman divorcing an abusive husband doesn't get shunned by her family, that's made up. It's the same as a woman getting abused anywhere and the divorce happens with people helping her out the same as they would anywhere. The actual divorce is done according to their laws and so the woman doesnt reject islam, I'm not sure where you got that from.

People consent to give up legal rights all the time, police men do it, celebrities do it, so I'm not sure what you mean by that either.

Really the ignorance of some people is astounding. They don't take a second to look things up even though they are sitting in front of a machine that can tell them anything they need to know in literally 2 minutes. But still, they make shit up, and go on about shit they have no idea about.

Not even getting into islam specifically, do you really believe that religion plays no part in culture and the way people are treated in certain circumstances? You really believe that an atheist couple getting divorced in California faces the same things as a muslim couple in Pakistan, or even in California? That just doesn't make sense.

[donnie]

Originally Posted by PussyMan

buzzy, please do us all a favor and shut your mouth.
Your country is done, in 10 years you will have Prime Minister Mustafah and King Mahmoud.
You'll be the first one they'll decapitate live on YouMustafah. They won't care you defended them here.
Now fuck off

In one year you will have a president named Hussein

I really wonder if americans are idiots by default or do you work on being that stupid.

[Odin]

Originally Posted by halfpint

LOL just for once I have to agree with Buzzy on this. This is where the word "democratic" comes in. No one is going to be forced to abide by Sharia law over here its a choice given to those who want to use it. We have a very large multi cultural society over here now and just like we allow muslims to pray at thier temples and have done for years this is a similar thing. People have the choice....

Honestly it makes me absolutely sick to see how few people want to fight for British and European society. I urge you to take a minute and go visit some Muslim forums and see how they are receiving this news, or the news re: the demographic shift in Britain and Europe. Or listen to the preachers in Mosque's who talk about it. It might wake you liberal faggots up.

[Odin]

Originally Posted by Rochard

So if I move to the UK I can have ten wives?

I am not sure on the specifics of this. But I know for some time the same Muslim peace groups they put on TV here (Keyser Trad and the like) who try to claim victim status at every turn have been campaigning to legalize and recognize polygamy. Of course they always package it nicely so the naive, disconnected liberal morons can deceive themselves into putting up no fight.

http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegrap...005941,00.html

"MEMBERS of Sydney's Islamic community like Keysar Trad believe polygamous marriages should be recognised to protect the rights of women even though they are illegal."

Wake up to yourselves. If they want to be judged under sharia law they can fuck off back to Saudi Arabia or to Pakistan.

[Antonio]

Originally Posted by sperbonzo

....and I lived in the UK for 4 years, in Bristol, Liverpool and London.

RUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUN for cover, the bad bad Muslims are coming to get you!!!

The bad wabbit too, WATCH OUT, he's gonna eat your carrot!

[V_RocKs]

This is why America was created.

[marcjacob]

Originally Posted by SBR Richard

food for thought..

in a society where women are 2nd, how do they decide if both parties actually agree?

how do they insure that these judgements aren't considered direct quotations from God? or feel a necessity to agree to a 'trial' if they're faithful?

way to many stories of daughters/wives being murdered for this to actually be a possibility in Canada.. and i'm not even talking about Islam..

Of course you have a point, there are Muslim families where that wil lhappen. But that is why Arbitrators cannot enforce their own rulings, its only enforcable by the courts. It is scary that some women would just allow this to happen to them but thats their bad decision. You have cant deny freedom because some people wont demand that freedom, you have to take additional steps to help those women imo.

[marcjacob]

Originally Posted by V_RocKs

This is why America was created.

America was created to deny minorites the freedom to live their life how they choose? You want to think that one through??

[Phoenix]

it seems to me that the uk is not really itslef anymore..

[moeloubani]

Originally Posted by Ayla_SquareTurtle

Not even getting into islam specifically, do you really believe that religion plays no part in culture and the way people are treated in certain circumstances? You really believe that an atheist couple getting divorced in California faces the same things as a muslim couple in Pakistan, or even in California? That just doesn't make sense.

Yeah but an atheist couple gets treated differently than a religious couple regardless of the religion. That's like from one extreme to the other. Religion plays a part but there aren't religions where that part is to make it a one sided thing. When you hear about that happening those are isolated incidents of extremism and cultural beliefs and have nothing to do with religion.

[sperbonzo]

Originally Posted by moeloubani

There is so much wrong with what you said. I don't know why you think a woman would be shunned by her family for divorcing her husband anymore in one place in the world than another. It's always a rough experience, and it changes the way people look at you anywhere you go.

A muslim woman divorcing an abusive husband doesn't get shunned by her family, that's made up. It's the same as a woman getting abused anywhere and the divorce happens with people helping her out the same as they would anywhere. The actual divorce is done according to their laws and so the woman doesnt reject islam, I'm not sure where you got that from.

Perhaps you should read this book:



Of course it doesn't deal with ALL Muslims, but to say that

"I don't know why you think a woman would be shunned by her family for divorcing her husband anymore in one place in the world than another."

is just a silly and somewhat provincial thing to say

[sperbonzo]

Originally Posted by tony404

off topic it was nice seeing you Micheal. Next time I get to miami I will call you so we can get together smoke cigars and solve the problems of the world. From the right and left prospective.

I would love that dude! It was great to see you!

[Libertine]

Originally Posted by moeloubani

There is so much wrong with what you said. I don't know why you think a woman would be shunned by her family for divorcing her husband anymore in one place in the world than another. It's always a rough experience, and it changes the way people look at you anywhere you go.

A muslim woman divorcing an abusive husband doesn't get shunned by her family, that's made up. It's the same as a woman getting abused anywhere and the divorce happens with people helping her out the same as they would anywhere. The actual divorce is done according to their laws and so the woman doesnt reject islam, I'm not sure where you got that from.

People consent to give up legal rights all the time, police men do it, celebrities do it, so I'm not sure what you mean by that either.

Really the ignorance of some people is astounding. They don't take a second to look things up even though they are sitting in front of a machine that can tell them anything they need to know in literally 2 minutes. But still, they make shit up, and go on about shit they have no idea about.

This is a rather late reply, but I can't resist responding to such utter nonsense.

Seriously, are you fucking kidding? Do you honestly believe what you are saying?

Have you ever heard of "honor killings"? If not, google it. You'll be shocked by what you find. Also google "forced marriages", and google "Islamic divorce laws" while you're at it. (hint: it's rather easier for men to get a divorce than it is for women)

And for the record, my mother used to work with women who had to assume new identities to escape abusive marriages. Virtually all these women were middle-eastern immigrants, and in many cases, their own families were the ones threatening to kill them.

The ignorance of some people is astounding indeed, and you are most definitely one of those people.