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directfiesta 09-23-2008 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by stickyfingerz (Post 14795798)
Its rare, but I agree with DF on this.

looking for a frame ..... :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:thumbsup

stickyfingerz 09-23-2008 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by directfiesta (Post 14795901)
looking for a frame ..... :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:thumbsup

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Im pretty sure I know someone that owns one of those domains, so I really hope this all turns out to be bs, or gets reversed fast. Terrible precedent. :2 cents:

pocketkangaroo 09-23-2008 04:05 PM

I think the issue some of you are glossing over is that the "seizure" of the domain is a huge perversion of the law. The casino isn't operating in Kentucky, they are operating in their country. The Kentucky resident chose to access the site in their country.

It's a horrible precedent. It allows one city/county/state to create a law and seize every domain in the world on a .com/.net that breaks their law. A small county in Alabama could create a law banning hardcore images. They would thus be allowed to seize every adult domain with hardcore content on it.

There is a lot of danger to this. Especially to foreigners who run legitimate businesses in their own country and don't break their own laws. The web is global, and some ignorant politicians don't see that. It is completely hypocritical for a politician to ban gambling, and now they are putting good, legitimate businesses who obey the laws of their country out of business.

Eman - PG 09-23-2008 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo (Post 14796004)
I think the issue some of you are glossing over is that the "seizure" of the domain is a huge perversion of the law. The casino isn't operating in Kentucky, they are operating in their country. The Kentucky resident chose to access the site in their country.

It's a horrible precedent. It allows one city/county/state to create a law and seize every domain in the world on a .com/.net that breaks their law. A small county in Alabama could create a law banning hardcore images. They would thus be allowed to seize every adult domain with hardcore content on it.

There is a lot of danger to this. Especially to foreigners who run legitimate businesses in their own country and don't break their own laws. The web is global, and some ignorant politicians don't see that. It is completely hypocritical for a politician to ban gambling, and now they are putting good, legitimate businesses who obey the laws of their country out of business.

It's sad, but those are the consequences of using a US based registry such as .com

V_RocKs 09-23-2008 04:11 PM

Wrong state to seize them in...

Peaches 09-23-2008 04:17 PM

Instead of getting the government involved AT ALL (by either closing down the sites or blocking them) why don't the site owners just block US customers? Adult programs have been blocking specific countries affiliates for years so it can't be that difficult a technical issue.

I strongly suspect that the money these sites made of US customers dwarfs them having to deal with reregistering outside the US and sending emails for their new sites. The larger ones probably already have mirror domains registered in other countries in preparation for this.

germ 09-23-2008 04:26 PM

Haha this is ridiculous.

I live in Louisville. One of Steve Beshear's biggest talking points was how he wanted to legalize riverboat gambling on the KY side of the river.

I guess he's looking to cut out the competition first.

directfiesta 09-23-2008 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Peaches (Post 14796039)
Instead of getting the government involved AT ALL (by either closing down the sites or blocking them) why don't the site owners just block US customers?

Who tells you that they didn't do that .... Now, if the american uses a proxy, it is the fault of the site ???.. or if he uses a gift card bought ... in Canada ...

Shifting the burden seems to be an american thing lately ....

" It is not because we don't find them ... that he doesn't have them " ....

Peaches 09-23-2008 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by directfiesta (Post 14796083)
Who tells you that they didn't do that .... Now, if the american uses a proxy, it is the fault of the site ???.. or if he uses a gift card bought ... in Canada ...

Shifting the burden seems to be an american thing lately ....

" It is not because we don't find them ... that he doesn't have them " ....

If they are doing that then I doubt KY would have proof of US users since they wouldn't appear as US users.

I'm not saying what KY did was right, but I'm also not saying that the site owners are completely innocent either. But as I said previously I'm willing to "bet" that they money they pulled in with US customers more than covered what will probably be a minor bump in their overall operations. They are more than likely right now chalking it up to the cost of doing business.

directfiesta 09-23-2008 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Peaches (Post 14796099)
If they are doing that then I doubt KY would have proof of US users since they wouldn't appear as US users.

Where is it mentioned proof .... please quote .... ( Why did I write : Shifting the burden seems to be an american thing lately ....

" It is not because we don't find them ... that he doesn't have them " .... )


They have NO proof ... and if they had, it is their job to go after the criminal, which in this case is the end user ...

I have a paysite, and I presume that some of the stuff I offer is not legal in many counties of Alabama ... If he buys it, his problem... It is legal here :2 cents:

Stop thinking like a right wing nazi.

directfiesta 09-23-2008 04:40 PM

In a statement welcoming the order, Governor Beshear said: "The owners and operators of these illegal sites prey on Kentucky citizens, including our youth, and deprive the Commonwealth of millions of dollars in revenue. It's an underworld wrought with scams and schemes." He described them as "leeches on our communities".

He conceded the action was in part designed to protect the interests of local horseracing-related gambling. Beshear has campaigned for more casinos to be licensed in Kentucky, prompting some critics to suggest his attacks on online operators looks morally inconsistent.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2...3/gambling.usa

where is the beef ????? ( proof ) ????

pocketkangaroo 09-23-2008 04:43 PM

Maybe he should focus on issues that matter. Maybe then he wouldn't be in charge of a state ranked near the bottom of all the educational rankings. Or be in charge of dirt poor, poverty ridden state.

Hotrocket 09-23-2008 05:14 PM

Might be time to block all KY users from all the sites we own...no matter what it promotes.

d-null 09-23-2008 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by directfiesta (Post 14796083)
Who tells you that they didn't do that .... Now, if the american uses a proxy, it is the fault of the site ???.. or if he uses a gift card bought ... in Canada ...

Shifting the burden seems to be an american thing lately ....

" It is not because we don't find them ... that he doesn't have them " ....

interesting that PartyPoker did just that, they blocked all U.S. customers, and some got away with using a proxy for awhile but when PartyPoker figured out that a customer was using a proxy they suspended their account as well. PartyPoker was the biggest, and they cut off the U.S. a couple years ago..... those other ones haven't yet. :2 cents:

pocketkangaroo 09-23-2008 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by d-null (Post 14796233)
interesting that PartyPoker did just that, they blocked all U.S. customers, and some got away with using a proxy for awhile but when PartyPoker figured out that a customer was using a proxy they suspended their account as well. PartyPoker was the biggest, and they cut off the U.S. a couple years ago..... those other ones haven't yet. :2 cents:

Party Poker is a public company out of the UK. They are playing it much safer I'm guessing. We can thank Bill Frist for not being able to play Party Poker in the U.S.

Phoenix 09-23-2008 09:18 PM

i wonder if it is time to move away from .coms all together

fuck the usa and its fascist regime..the writing is on the wall now clearly

Defiance Inc 09-23-2008 10:16 PM

"Why should someone else get to capitalize on this effort? Just because they have a computer and can make a website?"

It's called innovation. Same way they make a killing off video poker, video slots etc.


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