How does someone making coke in South America have anything to do with Ky? Nothing until he sells it to a Kentucky resident in Kentucky.

Also the largest online racing site is located in Kentucky but represents racetracks across the country. This could also be why the action was started here.


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The only thing they could profit off of is the traffic from the domain name, since that is all they are getting. Bodog.com just switched to NewBodog.com, and then BodogLife.com, which I'm sure was a major pain in the ass to them but they eventually came out ok since they just e-mailed their customer list with the new domain name. I imagine if they decide to monetize the domain name traffic it would go into Kentucky's tax coffers, but could they justify making money off a gambling domain, and how would they do it? They can't really put PPC ads for other gambling sites when that is what they are trying to abolish in the first place. Maybe they'll just redirect it to one of the websites of one of their horse track's...

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" the land of the brave and the free ... " :Oh crap

If any of you dipshits (L-Pink) think this is a good think - your very mistaken. :2 cents::2 cents:

I didn't say it was a good thing. I SAID I UNDERSTAND WHY IT HAPPENED. Read my first posts.


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That might be the dumbest post of the day! You think a site like sportsbook.com, fulltiltpoker.com, or goldenpalace.com was some just asshat sitting around on his computer?

They spent millions building those sites and employ hundreds of people, I know sportsbook.com even tried to legally operate in the US, but the religious right wanted no part of it...

Oh yea, and they DO pay taxes in the countries they reside... :pimp

LOL..... compared to the investment in Churchhill Downs, Saratoga, Bellmont, Keenland, etc ...... Yea he's just a guy with a computer.

Owning a .com is US property subject to US law and thus seizure and garnishment. The .com registry is controlled by Verisign GRS in Virginia, US. It has been previously adjudged that domain jurisdiction lies both with the Registrar OR Registry. Even if non-US companies owned those domains and even if they were registered with a French or Indian ICANN registrar, they could still be seized from Verisign with a US state or federal court order.

So under that theory, anyone that sells anything that Walmart does should be shut down because Walmart has invested more than them? Your argument makes no sense.

I wouldnt try too hard...

note that "."

he means that shit ;)

If they aren't based in the United States, it shouldn't matter. They do business and abide by the laws in their own country. If someone in Kentucky chooses to gamble through the site, they can arrest him. This is nothing more than policing the world. Telling other countries what is and isn't allowed.

But the saddest part about this is the fact that we aren't allowed to do what we want with our money. I see they haven't seized this one yet.

http://www.kylottery.com/

Is online gambling legal in the US? Everything I've Googled says no but I'm not reading EVERYTHING ;) Seems these places would have blocked US customers if they wanted to be 100% above board.

So if I go to Amsterdam and smoke weed, the U.S. government has the right to shut down the Amsterdam company?

HUH? Gambling is a licensed product. If Walmart had a blackjack table yes it would get shut down. If Walmart was selling liquor without a license yes it would get shut down. If Walmart was selling stolen merchandise yes legal action would be taken.

What is hard to understand about this?

It used to be quasi-legal as the Telecommunications Act was vague. Republicans passed a massive gambling ban in a ports bill a couple years ago though that made it 100% illegal.

Oh come on where did I say that? Bring the weed to Ky and sell it to a resident then yes.

Maybe they did ...

But the birthplace of KFC does just claim that people of KY gamble... no proof... But in todays world, proof is irrelevant; you just need to say it to become a fact ...

If they were serious about the issue, they could try to block the sites from being accessible...

It is possible, ask Saudia Arabia how to do it :2 cents:

This so called logic is so fucking stupid .... You normally are smarter then that .. .Probably the KY water.

HUH?? HUH??? HUH??

What don't you understand?

In Saudi Arabia, porn is illegal. So all of your domains are now the property of the Saudi Arabian government because 'you're selling illegal things'.

Don't be so fucking stupid, think before you use your fingers.

They aren't bringing anything to Kentucky. A Kentucky resident is logging on to his computer and going to their site in their country. If these companies were running the casino out of Kentucky I would understand, but they aren't.

Using your philosophy, China would have the right to seize our porn domains. Correct? I mean we are bringing porn which is illegal into their country.

Please correct me, I just seems obvious to me. Internet gambling is illegal. A company had an asset seized because of this. It happened in a state heavily dependent on gambling revenues and the staging of gambling events.

Another observation, no one votes against the horse industry in Kentucky. Maybe that is why the action took place here instead of another state with gambling.

Yes, Chinese courts can seize .cn and US courts can seize .com .org .net

Guys, the difference is that the gambling company had a seizable asset in the US. The Chinese or Saudis have no assets of mine in their country so they can't seize anything because of my porn site being against their laws.

If I'm coming across as a dip-shit well ...... I sometimes am. :Oh crap Sorry.

A US citizen orders pot from Amsterdam ( where it is legal, where the legit business pays taxes, etc...).

The US citizen knows he is breaking laws ( a few ) .

At a point, the US evaluates that a lot of pot comes in from those coffee shop.

What do they do ?

- Go to Amsterdam and close them down ( equivalent at what has been done here )

or

- Get the Customs office to prevent the entry ( the US did that by preventing the use of credit card for gambling )

and/or

- Arrest their citizen for breaking the law

If KY wants to prevent online gambling, they have the technology...

Meanwhile, this should serve as a serious warning to all non-us citizens/corp to stay away from any entity that is related to the USA ( billing, hosting, corporations, ...).

And register your domain name in other " flavors " ( .ca, .fr, etc .... ).

So then you wouldn't mind if every country censored the internet to follow what their laws are?

I know that online gambling is illegal in the US, but these casinos and betting places already don't accept US members, so it's not their fault shady ass Kentucky Kentucks (?) are signing up and gambling. That is in no way a reason to shut the entire company down (which is what shutting down a domain name does, or can do!)

A better example would be if someone was selling pot to Amsterdam residents over the internet.

Your comment about non dot/com domains is advise that I'm not taking lightly.

Don't overlook the political aspect of this move by the Ky governor with elections coming up and his platform on gambling. Very similar to porn busts before local elections.


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Well ...... good points.

On that, countries can and they do it .... China blocked tons of sites during the olympics, and then unblocked some.

Most arabic countries block porn sites. Thru a proxy, some people can view them , but with enormeous consequences if they are caught.

I checked a few of my sites with a Saudia Arabia proxy, and a government message was displayed instead of my site...

I am OK with that , and this is what he US should do for gambling ... not this horseshit that .com is american... . us is american, the other top levels should be considered worldwide.

Another reason not to let the US control things like this....

They are definitely not acting "above board". I get a chuckle when I have to call in now to make a deposit and the person tells me that in order to put it through they need to make it an odd amount and that the name of the charge is going to show as something like Larrys Hardware Store. They tell me that if my cc company calls to verify the charge to make sure to tell them its not gambling related. I've had this experience with at least 4 different poker sites over the last year, and it amazes me that they are able to continue blatantly circumventing the current law without being penalized.

Its rare, but I agree with DF on this.

looking for a frame ..... :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:thumbsup

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Im pretty sure I know someone that owns one of those domains, so I really hope this all turns out to be bs, or gets reversed fast. Terrible precedent. :2 cents:

I think the issue some of you are glossing over is that the "seizure" of the domain is a huge perversion of the law. The casino isn't operating in Kentucky, they are operating in their country. The Kentucky resident chose to access the site in their country.

It's a horrible precedent. It allows one city/county/state to create a law and seize every domain in the world on a .com/.net that breaks their law. A small county in Alabama could create a law banning hardcore images. They would thus be allowed to seize every adult domain with hardcore content on it.

There is a lot of danger to this. Especially to foreigners who run legitimate businesses in their own country and don't break their own laws. The web is global, and some ignorant politicians don't see that. It is completely hypocritical for a politician to ban gambling, and now they are putting good, legitimate businesses who obey the laws of their country out of business.

It's sad, but those are the consequences of using a US based registry such as .com

Wrong state to seize them in...

Instead of getting the government involved AT ALL (by either closing down the sites or blocking them) why don't the site owners just block US customers? Adult programs have been blocking specific countries affiliates for years so it can't be that difficult a technical issue.

I strongly suspect that the money these sites made of US customers dwarfs them having to deal with reregistering outside the US and sending emails for their new sites. The larger ones probably already have mirror domains registered in other countries in preparation for this.

Haha this is ridiculous.

I live in Louisville. One of Steve Beshear's biggest talking points was how he wanted to legalize riverboat gambling on the KY side of the river.

I guess he's looking to cut out the competition first.

Who tells you that they didn't do that .... Now, if the american uses a proxy, it is the fault of the site ???.. or if he uses a gift card bought ... in Canada ...

Shifting the burden seems to be an american thing lately ....

" It is not because we don't find them ... that he doesn't have them " ....

If they are doing that then I doubt KY would have proof of US users since they wouldn't appear as US users.

I'm not saying what KY did was right, but I'm also not saying that the site owners are completely innocent either. But as I said previously I'm willing to "bet" that they money they pulled in with US customers more than covered what will probably be a minor bump in their overall operations. They are more than likely right now chalking it up to the cost of doing business.

Where is it mentioned proof .... please quote .... ( Why did I write : Shifting the burden seems to be an american thing lately ....

" It is not because we don't find them ... that he doesn't have them " .... )


They have NO proof ... and if they had, it is their job to go after the criminal, which in this case is the end user ...

I have a paysite, and I presume that some of the stuff I offer is not legal in many counties of Alabama ... If he buys it, his problem... It is legal here :2 cents:

Stop thinking like a right wing nazi.

In a statement welcoming the order, Governor Beshear said: "The owners and operators of these illegal sites prey on Kentucky citizens, including our youth, and deprive the Commonwealth of millions of dollars in revenue. It's an underworld wrought with scams and schemes." He described them as "leeches on our communities".

He conceded the action was in part designed to protect the interests of local horseracing-related gambling. Beshear has campaigned for more casinos to be licensed in Kentucky, prompting some critics to suggest his attacks on online operators looks morally inconsistent.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2...3/gambling.usa

where is the beef ????? ( proof ) ????

Maybe he should focus on issues that matter. Maybe then he wouldn't be in charge of a state ranked near the bottom of all the educational rankings. Or be in charge of dirt poor, poverty ridden state.

Might be time to block all KY users from all the sites we own...no matter what it promotes.

interesting that PartyPoker did just that, they blocked all U.S. customers, and some got away with using a proxy for awhile but when PartyPoker figured out that a customer was using a proxy they suspended their account as well. PartyPoker was the biggest, and they cut off the U.S. a couple years ago..... those other ones haven't yet. :2 cents:

Party Poker is a public company out of the UK. They are playing it much safer I'm guessing. We can thank Bill Frist for not being able to play Party Poker in the U.S.

i wonder if it is time to move away from .coms all together

fuck the usa and its fascist regime..the writing is on the wall now clearly

"Why should someone else get to capitalize on this effort? Just because they have a computer and can make a website?"

It's called innovation. Same way they make a killing off video poker, video slots etc.