I remember when Cherrylula had to patiently explain to a certain camgirl (ahem) how ClickCash (and affiliate programs) work in general. This one girl (cough) had no idea. It is a memory I cherish.

Actually, you are being ignorant. You know zero about me and are making wrong assumptions.

Yeah it sucks, they are taking people's traffic and $$$ and should explain more than this canned email. Yet my comments stand.

and you make me so proud, Trixie! where is the warm and fuzzy icon. :1orglaugh

back to the thread topic though...

I just don't see how they can can your link code but invite you to sign up for another one... that just sounds like a lawsuit in the making IMO. Seriously.

now if it has to do with foreign traffic or something, they should filter it out and not pay or something, but this issue (if legit) is really scammy sounding. They really need to comment on this, but its probably too late.

It reminds me of how they would terminate chathost accounts then invite them back in (what did they call it?) those spirit of goodwill/all is forgiven/no questions asked campaigns. :1orglaugh Of course, the agreements they have with chathosts vs. the ones they have with webmasters are totally different, though. A chathost wouldn't have a leg to stand on in court with all they sign away, while webmasters might actually have a chance. Maybe.

I'm going to shuttup now in case they actually do come in here. Which I reeeeeeeeeeeeallllllllllly doubt they will.

Fingers crossed for clickcash to keep breathing and this to just be a BAD DREAM.

I usually find you to come off as being almost anti-affiliate which bothers me. But this last part I agree with. It simply does not make sense for an affiliate to sign up with most independent PPS sponsors anymore. Too much risk of this sort of BS. Too much hassle worrying about whether or not you will get paid.

At the same time rebilling is occuring less and there are more and more issues with tracking, especially regarding affiliate cookies. The affiliate is increasingly NOT getting credit for sales which they are actually sending. Perhaps revshare % need to increase slightly to compensate for this?

Also for what it is worth 50% revshare is NOT "inflated" by any means. We can send our traffic to others and if you choose to try to pay us too little, we can just open up a competing site and send the traffic to our own sites cutting you out completely. Especially with the low budget ccbill or verotel sites this is actually quite possible. I can see here it is a little different for cams, but I strongly disagree that the affiliate ought to make less than the cam program and should take the hit.

We ae the ones sending the traffic and we expect to be compensated fairly for doing so.

Glad to hear that. :thumbsup
The original HSN site was great til you guys switched the backend over to I.F's.
I hope the new cam site works out for you guys.

Putting aside the fact that Trixie?s diatribe was a bit long-winded, she?s right ? we?ve been livin? large on borrowed time and admit it ? we don?t deserve a lot of the money we?ve made. Before everyone goes off on me, let me get a few points out, ok??? I saw someone say that once we deliver a sign-up that our job is done, I agree with that, but I just got cancelled probably because I market the hell out of ?FREE FREE FREE,? so go figure that maybe Clickcash doesn?t exactly get quality signups from those guys. But f**ck! As long as they?d pay me for it, why wouldn?t I send them? (I guess they had enough.) Sure it?s a signup, but Clickcash, Mtree, everyone would just die on the vine if they keep paying out the 40 bucks for signups that give them no money! Look, I?m happy they let me send them the crappy traffic I?ve been sending them for at least this long. I run, well, ran this same exact traffic with streamate, well, they kicked me to rev share because there was no revenue behind the signups I sent them, then, since I kind of wanted to eat?and couldn?t because rev share on ZERO doesn?t put food on the table, I went back to my old faithful program - Clickcash. I?d been with them a long time already, but never really sent them anything, but then when the streammate rev share reality hit, I just changed my links ? and Clickcash took ?em and paid, and paid and paid. I figured they just converted better than streammate?I don?t know, maybe they did/do, but maybe they just woke up and said ?ENOUGH! No more crap traffic!? Anyway, I have a friend who used to work with them, who apparently still knows some folks inside Clickcash so I?ll keep pushing for more, but what I got in a 2 minute IM with him just now is that the folks that were cancelled were cancelled because their traffic sucked. (DUH!) They cancelled dozens, mostly all little accounts that did a signup or two a week, but they only cancelled accounts they concluded had no hope ? ones that just didn?t deliver any revenue and apparently they meant this ANY, as in $ZERO. They also did it without warning because they apparently get nailed a lot by guys that are told to improve their traffic quality, and then they jam all kinds of fake signups down their throat. They always pay what?s owed on closed accounts, but that last-gasp stuff from guys like us is what they feared. Opening new accounts, it?s about starting new with clean, new traffic so they can evaluate it. They?re on a hiring binge (so I doubt they?re having money issues). (these are paraphrased quotes from a guy who didn?t know he was going to be quoted and now likely the last time I?ll get anything from him)

(Also, I did get a letter from them a few weeks ago that told me my traffic quality was bad and they offered to work with me to improve it, but I didn?t call them or even try, so, to be fair, they did kind of alert me to the problem and offer to help me ? although I don?t know what they were going to do ? but I didn?t try myself.)

Guys, I have to accept this, it?s kind of like the banks and Wall Street shit going on ? there were some BIG-BUCKS dudes on Wall Street thinking their shit didn?t stink, all the while trading air and making a ton of money ? they HAD to know there?d be a day when they couldn?t keep getting something for nothing? Well guess what, the world caught up with that gig. I kind of sat back this weekend and realized that I can?t make easy bucks off of ?FREE FREE FREE? campaigns any more (not that I won?t try!!! ;) ), that the streammate program, Mtree, whatever, is going to do the same exact thing to me that Clickcash did if I don?t find a way ? and quick ? to send them signups from guys that will actually reach into their pocket. I mean guys ? what program pays you a pps for a free signup? Really!?! Clickcash does, but maybe they do that kind of hoping that the cheapskate guys will be the exception and that most will spend money ? in this case, I guess a lot of us whining on this board didn?t have enough of a mix of spenders and cheapskates.

I was only doing a small number of signups every week, so I don?t have a lot of links out there to change (and any of us that are worth their salt should have their links all automated and dynamic anyway ? if not, get with the program?), but in the meantime, if I was only doing a few signups a week, then I really don?t think that the time between when they cancelled my account and now, when I can change my links, really represents much of a heist by Clickcash?, so ?stealing?? Whatever?if they get a few signups from our old links, then maybe you should just call it even and move on.

As far as smart cam chicks, guys, face it ? they hold all the cards ? they are so much smarter than we are? We can code and create links, BFD! THEY, however, are smart enough to get you to hand over our wallets to them, and for what ? not even a kiss!

Let?s move on and chalk it up to a new era. So, if we?re all the small guys that got cancelled, suck it up, skip a $40 lunch and work instead. (I?m a hardass, but honest and don?t blame anyone but myself for what happens to me?)

Last comment, I feel bad for all you guys that feel blind-sided. Just get back on the horse, do some work and let?s just get our last Clickcash check. (Btw, I just signed up a new account with them and all seemed like I could start from scratch, and like a lot of you, I?ll probably ?test the fences,? but if I get whacked again, I?ll just take that to mean that they have a new sheriff in town watchin? me?)

(Trixie, you?re a trip! Like that spunk!)

Wait, cherrylula ? they did tell me in my letter that I was getting the boot b/c my traffic was in the lowest ?decile,? so I guess it sucked, so I guess that?s my reason.

Pot, meet Kettle.

LOL :1orglaugh

clickcash accidentally my affialiate account

hey Shemp :) hope you're doing well.. if you get a chance can you please hit me up? Might have something of interest for you...

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Thanks! :thumbsup

I've been in the industry for a while now and I've heard countless excuses over the years. Often when a progam does something shady they will try to pin the blame back on the affiliate, not revealing the whole story or even outright lying. I'm not saying this is the case here but if you believe everything you hear, you are probably going to get the shortest straw quite a bit.

will do, Ruth :)

Some good points but that doesn't excuse anything.

For the record? I'm an affiliate, too. I'm not "anti" anyone (I'd love it if we all could be rich or at least comfortable), though I understand why some people might have that impression -- I try to think critically about everything (and that's really all I'm criticizing here: people's LACK of critical thinking). I am just as (if not more) critical of a lot of the things that I do (and leave undone) as I am anybody else.

I don't criticize affiliates any more than I do anybody else in this industry. In my posts in this thread alone I have criticized sponsors, women, camgirls, and affiliates in ways that could offend all of them. And I have done so AS A MEMBER OF EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THOSE GROUPS.

Being critical isn't all negative. Just because SOME of my criticism is harsh doesn't mean I can't find a million good things to say about the same people, but constantly kissing everybody's asses whether they deserve it or not just isn't as interesting as having real discussions that might actually provoke positive change and open up people's field of vision. I like to look at things from many perspectives, and if one is over-represented, I enjoy filling in the gaps.

Also, it was 4 in the morning when I posted that; I couldn't sleep and needed to entertain myself.

I didn't mean it in a harsh way, just that it was my perception of you from reading some of your posts. Part of the reason I said this was from my memory of this post by you and the impression (read into it) I took from it:

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showpo...3&postcount=15

But from what you have said now you have clarified it a bit and I think i better understand what you intend.

What is interesting about the thread,

is finding out how many people promote Click Cash.

Nobody ever says shit about CC on this board anymore, but everyone gets termed and look at the ants filing from the woodworks.

Interesting is all, CC obviously converted/paid more than people give them credit for.

I'm shocked to see how many people were advertising CC still, i thought it was dead.

Click Cash kill's accounts because they aren't in the black for them, and Stream Mate simply converts to revshare.

Take your choice between that or x sales, because the FREE module is dead and just doesn't work anymore.

clickcash made a bad choice !

the good news is that this thread has resulted in a lunch date with WEGRuth :)

make that two things Shemp :)

http://www.congratstothewinners.com/

(cherry was brainstorming for a nonsense domain for me today, and was about to post your famous line below your post above... "congrats to the ..." when it hit her... "thats it")

another useless web site on the internets.

good things do come out of threads like this. :winkwink:

awesome :)

Not a glitch, no human error. This is real. Some webmasters are getting responses from ClickCash with explanations. I have other CC accounts I can use so its not really that big of a deal - just updating all those links and losing my downline really sucks. Thank god VideoSecret's Flirt4Free is honest and dependable. I'd be screwed if they did something like this. This really brings to light how thankful we should be that most of the other top webcam sponsors have respect for their affiliates. :)

http://forum.clickcash.com/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=141

ClickCash can go fuck themselves. They just stole my money.

I just got the same email. I have never sent fraudulent traffic or any other kind of traffic that nobody else is sending.

The funny thing is I have used the exact same concept as Will and all the other Clickcash sites to promote the program.

If they can't handle the signups don't fucking allow us to promote it as free signup.

Choke on a dick ClickCash.

I just wish I could get into my account to see the refferrer stats, that way I know what links to take down first.

wait this means I'm not getting paid what they owe?

Ill move cam sponsors, but I damn sure want my cash.

I didn't even know CC had a forum!

Oh, and about VS? http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...t=videosecrets

Yeah I heard about that one incident with VS, and Im 50/50 on that. Its a fine line and both sides have a case. I still push VS as my #1 sponsor and stand by them 100% - AK & Tim have always been there for me even when times were tough. Closing a dormant affiliate account of 3 yrs is nothing compared to what CC has just done to hundreds of long time affiliates. A change in the payout scale, or even a complete revamping of the CC system could be justified - but terminating hundreds of accounts out of the blue? That creates one helluva mess for a lot of webmasters.

I'm not saying I wouldn't promote them, but I actually think what they did is WAY worse than what CC is doing. Terminating accounts because they were paying out on free registrations that didn't convert to sales (affiliate payouts grossly outweighed by actual sales generated by those affiliates) is a lot more justifiable to me than than terminating and not paying out on a revshare account that DID produce at least one valuable customer and ALL they had to pay out on was a percentage of that still-active customer's purchases. I know that it was only one affiliate as far as we know and that they eventually made it right after people freaked out, but there is no way I would say one program is more trustworthy than the other in this particular face-off. I'm not defending either one of them, I'm just saying that I don't "trust" any of these sponsors to think you can retire next year on work you did for them last year.

Another thing people seem to be overlooking in this thread is that Clickcash has the longest fucking cookie life of any program I have ever heard of; kind of the opposite of trying to scam affiliates in the easiest way possible. I still think the easy money people have made off of it for so many years is kind of mind-blowing.

It would be really refreshing if both affiliates and sponsors would be more realistic and admit where they've fucked up and where they need to change.

We need to sue these motherfuckers.

I sure as hell want my money on the account.

wait... so we arent getting paid??

now that will change every fucking thing.

I have a site designed around their model and stopped promoting them along time ago and have no pushed any traffic their direction. I have never received this notice, just checked my account and can still log in.
Looks like I have a couple of sales, but I am not going to hold my breath on getting paid due to the present situation.

Good news and bad news....

A post by Emily in the clickcash forum says that now "former" clickcash affiliates that were owed money will get their payouts.

The reason accounts were closed were based solely on the quality of customers we were referring. Not converstion ratios, click thru %'s or anything else. A lot of us were getting $40 a pop and that customer wasn't spending a dime on iFriends. Unfortunately iFriends can't count on the Fed to bail them out when the well runs dry.

While I understand their dilemma, a simple heads up or request to update our advertising methods could've easily fixed the problem without causing a tidal wave of anger through the adult webmaster community. :2 cents:

Reading that thread now, Radiantx -- thanks for the updates.

While what they're saying makes sense, they are the ones that established that precedent of FREE FREE FREE. It's pretty HILARIOUS that a) it's taken them this long to figure out how counterproductive that is and b) that now the complete blame lies with affiliates. Oh well, for the camgirls' sakes I really hope this will help them out. Surfers need to be educated that WHORES NEED TO BE PAID! And I mean that in the most positive, warm and fuzzy way.

I think they lost on the cross sales, up sales and everything else they tried to push. The idea of free turned into a nightmare for some customers. Hell, when I signed up, to look into what they offered the suffer and how the customer was treated. I quickly found out a $100 later that I had been charged a pile of BS and the $1.00 trial was a joke.....unless you read the very fine print.......LOL
This doesn't surprise me a bit that this has come to a end.....if that is the case.

Doesn't matter much, I have been finished for quite some time, but still seem to earn money from doorway pages....still doesn't mean I am getting paid ;)

CC did well for a long while,

kind of a paradox to advertise a 100% free lifetime membership that costs $1 though.

Their payouts were huge, and there were zero x sales and everything was customizable...very simple sales.

But it was over-saturated for a long while, can't signup the same person twice, and they scrubbed like a motherfucker.. Some days it was just so obvious.

Plus they skimmed, and the fact that they are account terminate friendly is real stressful to me especially if i'm investing big money for the PPS return.

Stream Mate would be an ideal replacement, but apparently they just convert you from PPS to REVSHARE if your sales don't fit their performance of free joins.

My question is what is the next best thing? I'm in the process of switching sponsors right now and other than Stream Mate I don't see any programs with an even similar layout which is odd for this industry.

ImLive is pretty much an iFriends clone - but they pay out $100-$150 per signup (user has to deposit $20+ via ccbill after getting a screen name). They would make a great replacement for existing CC links.

For the past couple years though, when it comes to cams, Im all for revshare. Once in a while you reel in a high roller and watching your $$$ for the day suddenly quadruple is a great feeling.

Imlive will drop you to revshare or low pps if your traffic sucks. I guess thats better than having your account termed.

I too love videosecrets, but keep the secret :), I don't want everyone and their mother promoting them.