... i feel your pain

damn thats crazy

added them to my shit list... :(

Sorry to see you guys getting fucked!

Click Cash = Crooks
I quit using them close to 6 years ago.

The other place to stay away from is ARS's HSN site , they use clickcash/Ifriends as their back end for their HSN cam site.


Mtree is another option , they convert pretty decent and Liz who runs the program is super cool and easy to deal with.

I got the cancellation email yesterday too. I wonder if they cancelled will76's account too :1orglaugh

They were converting like shit for me anyway.

Another sponsor bites the dust.

Good riddance clickcash :321GFY

This is just stupid,

Speedy
The Shemp
Brand0n
Porn Judge
Birdman
Webcam Guru
Radiant
Porn Hero

Add me to the list. I got the email Friday night also. Been with CC since 2005, never spammed or scammed. Regular traffic and regular signups. Averaging 10k a year.

This has to be a mistake surely?

It would almost seem as if they were hacked.

Why would one of the adult biz's oldest sponsors suddenly axe their most loyal affiliates?

It doesn't make sense.

I'm going to wait this out a bit before changing all my sites/links.

Let's give Emily @ ClickCash a chance to respond.

For the people who were cancelled, what amount of sales were you doing per week roughly? I'm curious whether they've targeted affiliates above a specific earning level. My a/c is still open but I make jack shit.

Dont hold your breath! :1orglaugh

Mine is still working, but since the changes they made and apparently the joins are going to be straight up $1 instead of free i stopped weeks ago.

What I don't understand about CC or MoneyTree, is that if your joins (getting the person to put in their cc#) don't convert to a profit for them, click cash will kill your account and stream mate will convert you to revshare. This has happened to several good selling friends of mine.

Maybe it's just me, but as long as your representing the product normally, and you get the person to signup with their credit card, your job as a webmaster should be complete.

Now if it's a program that you get paid only if it converts and they say that, no problem. But the representation of getting paid PPS for FREE joins is becoming a big lie.

Are they any programs that really do pay for free signups and a webmaster doesn't have to worry about how they do on the backend anymore? Just curious.

You simply have got to be kidding me....


Shemp. What niches were you promoting for them. Maybe I can get you some replacements from some of our stuff..

Any of you guys that need to replace them, Hit me up.

Let me see what sites we have that match what you had to pull.

I wouldn't mind if they started charging a dollar to sign up but at least tell us and give us chance to re word our links.
I am very doubtful that I will even get a reply from Clickcash, never mind a reasonable explanation.
Do they work weekends by the way or is it purely mon - fri?

i was using them for one of my smaller sites.... shempland.com
they were one of the cam sponsors on there...
nothing huge, but old school and consistent traffic, plus i had a cool script on there highlited the cam models...

I stopped using them a couple of years back because they went through a period of pulling some shadey crap back then and I don't take risks once something like that happens.

However...there's no way to call this anything but THEFT. They know full well that it will be impossible for many to simply switch traffic off to them for reasons already listed. This not only lets them steal traffic they no longer have to pay for but no more 10% for referrals to those they've canned either.

So...are CC in financial trouble and need a stunt like this or is blatant theft simply something they're now happy to do?

looks like they hosed a bunch of us. fuck'n cock suckers!

I've been doing a few sales a day to them for a few years now. Haven't heard anything but I'll keep my eyes out. Pretty amazing how many people have had their accounts closed.

I think it's funny that nobody even mentions the possibility that they aren't just trying to screw affiliates, but maybe they're royally fucked because their (and a whole lot of other sponsors') business model is all wrong, outdated, and unable to sustain itself paying tons of money on every signup when few of those signups result in real sales in a world where there are now tons of competing camsites, shitloads of free porn (and please don't delude yourself into thinking that it doesn't hurt at all; sure, everyone needs to accept it and adapt but the business models and payouts constructed BEFORE that need to adapt too).

A few years ago when iFriends started giving away camfeeds for free / free previews like some of the other camsites they were/are competing against things took a nosedive for the performers. Tons of camsites are doing it; sure, people might still be signing up to these sites in record numbers, but fewer and fewer of them have any need to actually BUY A SHOW when they're getting their rocks off for free and never even bother to find out why it's more satisfying/entertaining/addictive to pay for a show.

This looks like the end of an era for sure. Of course, the girls who actually WORK on camsites have known that era has been over for a few years now, at least. It kind of makes me want to barf knowing how much more money affiliates have made off of iFriends relative to how much the webwhores doing the actual shows have made. It's an indecently unfair, irrational, fucked up system that deserves to go down in flames. I'm not blaming the web"masters" who've taken advantage of a pretty sweet deal and I realize that if women had any brains at all we would understand that it's a lot easier to make money as web"masters" getting at least $40 a pop just to send a looky-loo to the site than by dildoing our cunts with baseball bats for less than 50% of a couple bucks a minute, if that.

For the system to sustain itself they should have been paying you guys $1 a join and paying the camgirls $40 every time they gave a new join his first show, tiered bonuses for every time they got a viewer to go over a certain number of minutes, etc. They should have made AFFILIATES pay for the chargebacks instead of the girls. Web"masters" who don't run their own paysites and haven't actually served customers directly have a totally unrealistic, bizarrely-entitled perception of how this stuff works.

How long did you guys really think something like this would last the way that it was structured? I can understand being frustrated because it sucks to lose your income, but acting all shocked and caught unawares and totally not being able to conceive of the possibility that maybe the sponsors aren't just "greedy" (sure they're that) but MAYBE THEY HAVE BEEN PAYING YOU ALL TOO MUCH for what you've been giving, taking, and giving away for free (maybe not with iFriends, but with other stuff) and aren't just hoarding all the money, but are seriously FUCKED/bleeding money out of their asses.

Maybe desperate times call for desperate measures. Maybe you all should thank your lucky fucking stars you made WAY MORE MONEY THAN YOUR WEB"MASTERING" WARRANTED and move on. Maybe you should promote sponsors that actually serve customers and build business in ethical, sustainable ways instead of serving YOU with inflated, outrageous, ridiculous payouts.

CCBill-administered revshare programs. Small sites without a bunch of middlemen. Smaller payouts that grow over time and pay more realistic (but still inflated) percentages of sales instead of trying to pay you 4000% of $1. We will still be here when all the fancy programs with their scammy pre-checked cross-sales, dead member-areas, ludicrous webmaster rimjobs and unjustifiably-high payouts have finished shooting themselves in the foot. I don't blame you for taking advantage of it while you can, but don't. Look. So. SURPRISED! when this shit happens.

hey, i never made you use the baseball bat..that was your idea... ;)

Ha!

Don't think I'm not lamenting this news, too; I've received much more pleasure from clickcash than baseball bats (not that I've ever tried one).

Are you done yet? Please teach us something we don't know already. BOTTOM LINE IFRIENDS ARE FUCKIN SCAMS, U GET ME? I started promoting them back in 1996 & I recruited 100's of camhost in their downline system & I was getting 2% of what they were making & 16 level down. In 2002 for no apparent reason they did not pay me for these chathost I recruited for them & they owed me a good chunk of cash. Seems like Karma as finally got to them. I hope you fuckin go down Ifriends.

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A useless and badly written rant that says nothing new. It still comes down to the same thing...they're screwing people. Whether it's because they just fancy extra cash or because they're in trouble makes no difference at all. If their business model no longer works (seems possible, even likely) then it's not the guys promoting them that are to blame. You really have a weird sense of reality don't you?

Trixie, great post.

Yeah for people that don't know shit about the industry. Ifriends probably scammed more people in all porn scammers combined:321GFY

Trixie are you paid to write this BS article of yours:1orglaugh Dont try to make ifriend look good lol:1orglaugh

From my earlier posts everyone can see Im obviously on the webmaster's side of this - because just canning an account out of the blue w/ no warning or news of "trouble" ahead just isn't right. It shows no consideration for the webmasters that suddenly have to update thousands of links. A simple email like "iFriends' business model needs to be restructured due to outdated sales methods" or something similar would be sufficient - it would suck, but at least we'd have a heads up and kept in the loop.

Trixie does bring up a lot of very good points, and I agree with her 100%. From a chathost's perspective she hit it right on the nose. The entire business model is set up for disaster, especially now that cam sites are a dime a dozen and giving away free shows. Paying $40 per free user even seemed far-fetched back in the late 90s when iFriends pretty much ruled the web. iFriends definitely needed to make some serious changes to their payouts, but just cutting off all these webmasters w/ no warning leaves one rather bitter. :disgust

I had a studio with Ifriends for like +/-6 years from 1997 and when I saw this thread on GFY I had the idea to make a copy (I havent talked or posted anything about GFY just mentionned an adult webmaster board) of the email that you guys received and told all the chathost that are active on the board about the issue. Most of people on that Ifriends board bitch they don't have many customers etc...

Guess what happend today? I think someone woke up and deleted my thread on that board. I cant believe that company don't realize they are going in the WRONG way for more than 4-5 year now! It's look like they enjoy pissing off peoples (affiliates and chathosts)....

My best advice for all: Stay away from them!

Trixie is so dead on... i know cam hosts who are smarter than the average "webmaster"

LOL

Silver,

ARS is no longer using Click Cash for a backend. We launch our new cam site this week.

There may be hope left....

I just checked the iFriends chathost-only forum and chathost support *just* made a post stating that due to HUMAN ERROR all the chathost checks for the week will need to be re-printed.

This is a once-in-a-decade type thing for iFriends, so I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest the sudden death of hundreds of affiliate accounts could very well be related to this human error. Otherwise it would just be one helluva coincidence.

So let's give CC some time to respond before everyone jumps the gun. I honestly do not feel CC would do this intentionally. :thumbsup

Yeah, I'm totally *not* defending this or any sponsor that breaks agreements with webmasters (I'd link to another thread that was on here about a big camsite sponsor fucking one webmaster royally recently but it was deleted :disgust), and I could be totally wrong about them being ready to go down in flames. They *did* just revamp clickcash, which I thought was a pretty promising sign since every time I log IN to clickcash I am expecting it to just . . . disappear because it HAS been so good -- TOO good -- for so long. Or maybe they're funding their retooling by fucking a bunch of you guys. Who knows. Nothing would surprise me. I don't know what the truth is except that big payouts weren't built to last.

My point is just that none of this surprises me, and people (not you) sitting in here acting like the only reason they can't find sponsors that really pay out $40+ on free joins forever is that sponsors are just not upholding their end of the bargain instead of recognizing that promoting ANYTHING that pays out that much on nothing is taking a huge risk. Instead they act like they're ENTITLED to that and are just AGHAST when the bottom falls out from under programs like that. :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

I love getting giant per-sale payouts as much as the next guy and weep when they disappear, but in the same way I would at a gambling table. Promoting porn IS A GAMBLE. Your streak could end any time when you are selling products you don't own.

I remember when Cherrylula had to patiently explain to a certain camgirl (ahem) how ClickCash (and affiliate programs) work in general. This one girl (cough) had no idea. It is a memory I cherish.

Actually, you are being ignorant. You know zero about me and are making wrong assumptions.

Yeah it sucks, they are taking people's traffic and $$$ and should explain more than this canned email. Yet my comments stand.

and you make me so proud, Trixie! where is the warm and fuzzy icon. :1orglaugh

back to the thread topic though...

I just don't see how they can can your link code but invite you to sign up for another one... that just sounds like a lawsuit in the making IMO. Seriously.

now if it has to do with foreign traffic or something, they should filter it out and not pay or something, but this issue (if legit) is really scammy sounding. They really need to comment on this, but its probably too late.

It reminds me of how they would terminate chathost accounts then invite them back in (what did they call it?) those spirit of goodwill/all is forgiven/no questions asked campaigns. :1orglaugh Of course, the agreements they have with chathosts vs. the ones they have with webmasters are totally different, though. A chathost wouldn't have a leg to stand on in court with all they sign away, while webmasters might actually have a chance. Maybe.

I'm going to shuttup now in case they actually do come in here. Which I reeeeeeeeeeeeallllllllllly doubt they will.

Fingers crossed for clickcash to keep breathing and this to just be a BAD DREAM.

I usually find you to come off as being almost anti-affiliate which bothers me. But this last part I agree with. It simply does not make sense for an affiliate to sign up with most independent PPS sponsors anymore. Too much risk of this sort of BS. Too much hassle worrying about whether or not you will get paid.

At the same time rebilling is occuring less and there are more and more issues with tracking, especially regarding affiliate cookies. The affiliate is increasingly NOT getting credit for sales which they are actually sending. Perhaps revshare % need to increase slightly to compensate for this?

Also for what it is worth 50% revshare is NOT "inflated" by any means. We can send our traffic to others and if you choose to try to pay us too little, we can just open up a competing site and send the traffic to our own sites cutting you out completely. Especially with the low budget ccbill or verotel sites this is actually quite possible. I can see here it is a little different for cams, but I strongly disagree that the affiliate ought to make less than the cam program and should take the hit.

We ae the ones sending the traffic and we expect to be compensated fairly for doing so.

Glad to hear that. :thumbsup
The original HSN site was great til you guys switched the backend over to I.F's.
I hope the new cam site works out for you guys.

Putting aside the fact that Trixie?s diatribe was a bit long-winded, she?s right ? we?ve been livin? large on borrowed time and admit it ? we don?t deserve a lot of the money we?ve made. Before everyone goes off on me, let me get a few points out, ok??? I saw someone say that once we deliver a sign-up that our job is done, I agree with that, but I just got cancelled probably because I market the hell out of ?FREE FREE FREE,? so go figure that maybe Clickcash doesn?t exactly get quality signups from those guys. But f**ck! As long as they?d pay me for it, why wouldn?t I send them? (I guess they had enough.) Sure it?s a signup, but Clickcash, Mtree, everyone would just die on the vine if they keep paying out the 40 bucks for signups that give them no money! Look, I?m happy they let me send them the crappy traffic I?ve been sending them for at least this long. I run, well, ran this same exact traffic with streamate, well, they kicked me to rev share because there was no revenue behind the signups I sent them, then, since I kind of wanted to eat?and couldn?t because rev share on ZERO doesn?t put food on the table, I went back to my old faithful program - Clickcash. I?d been with them a long time already, but never really sent them anything, but then when the streammate rev share reality hit, I just changed my links ? and Clickcash took ?em and paid, and paid and paid. I figured they just converted better than streammate?I don?t know, maybe they did/do, but maybe they just woke up and said ?ENOUGH! No more crap traffic!? Anyway, I have a friend who used to work with them, who apparently still knows some folks inside Clickcash so I?ll keep pushing for more, but what I got in a 2 minute IM with him just now is that the folks that were cancelled were cancelled because their traffic sucked. (DUH!) They cancelled dozens, mostly all little accounts that did a signup or two a week, but they only cancelled accounts they concluded had no hope ? ones that just didn?t deliver any revenue and apparently they meant this ANY, as in $ZERO. They also did it without warning because they apparently get nailed a lot by guys that are told to improve their traffic quality, and then they jam all kinds of fake signups down their throat. They always pay what?s owed on closed accounts, but that last-gasp stuff from guys like us is what they feared. Opening new accounts, it?s about starting new with clean, new traffic so they can evaluate it. They?re on a hiring binge (so I doubt they?re having money issues). (these are paraphrased quotes from a guy who didn?t know he was going to be quoted and now likely the last time I?ll get anything from him)

(Also, I did get a letter from them a few weeks ago that told me my traffic quality was bad and they offered to work with me to improve it, but I didn?t call them or even try, so, to be fair, they did kind of alert me to the problem and offer to help me ? although I don?t know what they were going to do ? but I didn?t try myself.)

Guys, I have to accept this, it?s kind of like the banks and Wall Street shit going on ? there were some BIG-BUCKS dudes on Wall Street thinking their shit didn?t stink, all the while trading air and making a ton of money ? they HAD to know there?d be a day when they couldn?t keep getting something for nothing? Well guess what, the world caught up with that gig. I kind of sat back this weekend and realized that I can?t make easy bucks off of ?FREE FREE FREE? campaigns any more (not that I won?t try!!! ;) ), that the streammate program, Mtree, whatever, is going to do the same exact thing to me that Clickcash did if I don?t find a way ? and quick ? to send them signups from guys that will actually reach into their pocket. I mean guys ? what program pays you a pps for a free signup? Really!?! Clickcash does, but maybe they do that kind of hoping that the cheapskate guys will be the exception and that most will spend money ? in this case, I guess a lot of us whining on this board didn?t have enough of a mix of spenders and cheapskates.

I was only doing a small number of signups every week, so I don?t have a lot of links out there to change (and any of us that are worth their salt should have their links all automated and dynamic anyway ? if not, get with the program?), but in the meantime, if I was only doing a few signups a week, then I really don?t think that the time between when they cancelled my account and now, when I can change my links, really represents much of a heist by Clickcash?, so ?stealing?? Whatever?if they get a few signups from our old links, then maybe you should just call it even and move on.

As far as smart cam chicks, guys, face it ? they hold all the cards ? they are so much smarter than we are? We can code and create links, BFD! THEY, however, are smart enough to get you to hand over our wallets to them, and for what ? not even a kiss!

Let?s move on and chalk it up to a new era. So, if we?re all the small guys that got cancelled, suck it up, skip a $40 lunch and work instead. (I?m a hardass, but honest and don?t blame anyone but myself for what happens to me?)

Last comment, I feel bad for all you guys that feel blind-sided. Just get back on the horse, do some work and let?s just get our last Clickcash check. (Btw, I just signed up a new account with them and all seemed like I could start from scratch, and like a lot of you, I?ll probably ?test the fences,? but if I get whacked again, I?ll just take that to mean that they have a new sheriff in town watchin? me?)

(Trixie, you?re a trip! Like that spunk!)

Wait, cherrylula ? they did tell me in my letter that I was getting the boot b/c my traffic was in the lowest ?decile,? so I guess it sucked, so I guess that?s my reason.

Pot, meet Kettle.

LOL :1orglaugh

clickcash accidentally my affialiate account

hey Shemp :) hope you're doing well.. if you get a chance can you please hit me up? Might have something of interest for you...

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Thanks! :thumbsup

I've been in the industry for a while now and I've heard countless excuses over the years. Often when a progam does something shady they will try to pin the blame back on the affiliate, not revealing the whole story or even outright lying. I'm not saying this is the case here but if you believe everything you hear, you are probably going to get the shortest straw quite a bit.

will do, Ruth :)

Some good points but that doesn't excuse anything.

For the record? I'm an affiliate, too. I'm not "anti" anyone (I'd love it if we all could be rich or at least comfortable), though I understand why some people might have that impression -- I try to think critically about everything (and that's really all I'm criticizing here: people's LACK of critical thinking). I am just as (if not more) critical of a lot of the things that I do (and leave undone) as I am anybody else.

I don't criticize affiliates any more than I do anybody else in this industry. In my posts in this thread alone I have criticized sponsors, women, camgirls, and affiliates in ways that could offend all of them. And I have done so AS A MEMBER OF EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THOSE GROUPS.

Being critical isn't all negative. Just because SOME of my criticism is harsh doesn't mean I can't find a million good things to say about the same people, but constantly kissing everybody's asses whether they deserve it or not just isn't as interesting as having real discussions that might actually provoke positive change and open up people's field of vision. I like to look at things from many perspectives, and if one is over-represented, I enjoy filling in the gaps.

Also, it was 4 in the morning when I posted that; I couldn't sleep and needed to entertain myself.

I didn't mean it in a harsh way, just that it was my perception of you from reading some of your posts. Part of the reason I said this was from my memory of this post by you and the impression (read into it) I took from it:

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showpo...3&postcount=15

But from what you have said now you have clarified it a bit and I think i better understand what you intend.

What is interesting about the thread,

is finding out how many people promote Click Cash.

Nobody ever says shit about CC on this board anymore, but everyone gets termed and look at the ants filing from the woodworks.

Interesting is all, CC obviously converted/paid more than people give them credit for.

I'm shocked to see how many people were advertising CC still, i thought it was dead.

Click Cash kill's accounts because they aren't in the black for them, and Stream Mate simply converts to revshare.

Take your choice between that or x sales, because the FREE module is dead and just doesn't work anymore.

clickcash made a bad choice !