The idea of Karma, in the way you people are talking about it is wrong. Karma isn't kicking a wall get hit with a door an hour later.

Karma is about life altering events. It gets put into the above category because Choice, is a factor in Karma.

You could be watching TV, a real mans man. And one day you see a news cast, and you start breaking down and crying, no idea why but today you feel sad about what you saw. You try to fight it, but you can't.

That's Karma - It's not good or bad, that is only how 'you' take it. Karma in this case would turn a man with little to no emotions/love into something that can finally see more good than bad. A life changing event, that started off from watching tv.

Other Karma events are ones that draw upon your material thinking. As an example, you have a special car, you love this "thing", you take care of it better than your family, like many people do when it comes to personal items. So one day, your car gets stolen, house broken into, your shit is stolen. Sometimes - it just happens, others - it's about changing your way of thinking.

For me, I was always a car guy, show cars, hot rods, I had lots of toys and lots of money to blow on them. Then one day, alarm set, in my drive way, my show truck was stolen by professionals.

A very short period after that I lost all connection with material things. The Karma event wasn't the truck getting stolen, it wasn't that they stripped it and yet still gave the truck back (they put junk on it, made it drivable, and parked it down the road from my house)

It was the life lesson, that material items are nothing, aren't even worth .00001% of your emotions, the lesson was - my family/friends/people are real, are here, the are worth all my attention and love, these can be truly taken away from me, not some stupid truck that can be replaced.

Karma isn't a instant thing, not a cause and effect thing, it's life changing events that could be good or bad, either way - the things of life that mold you to the person you are today, is Karmic events.

Wow, I bet it makes you guys feel like total studs to go around telling kids there is no Santa and attacking mall easter bunnies

the philosphy behind karma is entirely a cause and effect rationale

The results or 'fruits' of actions are called karma-phala.

the "law" of karma states-

All living creatures are responsible for their karma ? their actions and the effects of their actions ? and for their release from samsara. The concept can be traced back to the early Upanishads.

it seems to me what thedoc is referring to is more along the lines of an epiphany.

A helluva lot of words to try to explain that Carma is crap.

I said above Karma was effected by Personal choice, ie: actions.

But that is the basic concept of Karma. The use of Epiphany would related to the upper level understanding of Karma and not the material-human attachment to try to understand what Karma is.

We, humans, mostly Christians, attach Karma to the now, this reality, this waking experience we are having. We know if we punch someone in the face, we will get punched back. Is that Karma? No... Not at all. The Karma was the "instant" second you made the choice to do it.

Pretty much every other belief system attaches karma to the soul level, and they almost all define Karma as the "action", which creates cause and effect on the physical level.

The effect of the choice isn't the punch or punch back, but the upper level intent of the thought. Maybe the man that punched was full of fear, never had a fight - so he needed this life changing event to happen. The Karma wasn't the result of him getting his ass kicked from stupid choice.

The guy could have dealt with his fears differently, but he made the choice to deal with it this way.

The Karma wasn't the result of the fight, win or lose, it was the action of the choice, the reason, the intent, the soul/mind altering upper level changed that resulted from that action, is the Karma. Now maybe, this guy can talk to girls, get a lady, have a family and lead a normal life... who knows, maybe it changed him to be a killer, to lust after more blood.

The result of the action on how it changes your entire life is the Karma, not the cause and effect of at the physical level from the Choices you make.

Every single day I have to surpress the urge to do harm to people that are either in my way, pestering me or I just find annoying. Violence is always an option and the slightest little provacation can get somebody smacked around.

Can I blame me being a dick on Karma??? Is it possible I am the long arm of Karma? COuld it be my destiny to deliver beatings to those who are most in need?

i see your point better now, thanks for putting it another way. many people do not look at *action* from that level.

i do think we see this the same way, as in my post #5 or 6, just stating it differently.

I have to agree with this.

As much as I would like to believe in some higher power who is in control running things, it simply is not true. There is not God in the biblical sense and there is not a case of the Universe getting back at some worthless speck of a human for some wrong doing he or she did to another worthless speck that means NOTHING in the grand scheme of things.

On a grand scale Humans are smaller than the smallest baby piss ant you find in your yard. The only thing that matters is your own conscious for how you treat or love others and how you walk through your very short life.

In 1000 years nobody is going to know any of our names or anything any of us have done. That means that you have TODAY to say what you need to say or do what you want to do. Tomorrow may not come. Karma is not going to come after you. You will not end up in Heaven or Hell based on your pathetic actions and short time on earth. Just live your life the best and to the fullest you can and enjoy what time you do have here. If you can love and be loved along the way, that is great. If not, don't worry, your life will be over soon and you will be forgotten about anyway. You are no more or less special than the bugs in your back yard that you kill.

Kara Thrace and her special destiny!

All of this has happened before and it will happen again.

The question is; does it help ? And I mean this in a positive way for you;
reading between the lines of this and other posts, it seems you are angry about something from the past that has not yet been resolved yet for you.
Let it go ! make a new start !
What you wish for others it most likely you will receive yourself also. So if you help out other people, you will receive more luck & prosperity. If you believe you are always "in bad luck", you'll also get what you expect.
Focus on the positive, the possibilities and today (yesterday can not be changed and tommorrow has not arrived yet).
I wish you a million dollars :)
Bump this old post when you made the 1M$ !

You always sound like an angry person, I wonder why that is.

He may sound like it, but really isn't.

He's 1) a realist and 2) bitter

big difference. in fact, being this way is sometimes better than being blissfully ignorant to the world like most people are.

I'm a realist and I envy the blissfully ignorant.

On a macro level, karma is the best social control mechanism ever, because it's passive. "Know your place, lower castes--be good, play nice,and next life you get a shot at something better. Now shut up and starve with a smile on your face while I bang your wife!"

That said, on a micro level, nobody likes an asshole, and once stories get out and everyone knows your an asshole, someone will screw you back. So in that sense, it holds true.

First, let me plagarise Wikipedia's article for a point of reference

This seems glaringly subjective and transient. If you didn't notice already, here's a practical issue for you:

Let's say I'm a narcissistic dissolute bastard, who does narcissistic dissolute bastard things. By my own morals, I'm in the clear. By yours, I might not be.

By whose set of morals is karma relating to my actions then judged? yours, mine, hypothetic deity's?

This idea of karma is neither accessible or applicable to everyone unless you

a) believe your morals are absolute (you are right and everyone else is wrong)
b) believe your hypothetic deity is absolute (yours is the one and only real deity)

That is to say, if you embrace the idea, it is still only subjective i.e. a falsifiable phenomenon that's all in your head.

it's real if it's actually more complicated.

People will go to great lengths to avoid the fact that we are simply animals.

I think the saying is it takes more effort to frown than smile...

realist is fine, bitter is too close to angry.

the desire to lash out is usually anger driven.

... been there done that. Its easier to change yourself and your surroundings than bitch about life. Some people just never grasp that.

I used to feel the same, then I quit drinking for a whole year and the world started to look better. Life adjustments are the key. The hardest part of life isn't knowing what you want, but figuring out what you *don't* want, and ridding your life of that.

If people around you are annoying you that bad, you need to change your life around and figure out what and where makes you happy.

Sure, there are always assholes and annoying people, but when you have urges like that it is only going to end up affecting you negatively regardless of how great you think it feels to kick someone's ass.

and karma has fuck all to do with any of this. As was said in this thread, it can be an excuse to be a fuck up blaming your bad luck on other forces.

It takes me much less effort to push someone out of my way rather than listen to their babble.

The desire to lash out is in this case result driven. I really, honestly could care less about most people in this World. I would sooner rescure one dog from a river than an entire family. I have no use or respect for most people. My ends always justify my means.

This is changing my surroundings.

Some might say violence solves nothing. The reality is, it's one of the most effective tools at affecting change.

I am the anti Halycon. I see the worthlessness in everyone.

I guess for every action there REALLY is an equal and quite opposite reaction.

In other words, no Halcyon without me. The way I see it, all you hippies owe me.

:)

Halcyon, you are so positive I only wonder how you deal with the people who get offended at your happiness. :1orglaugh

And sometimes one has to really hit rock bottom before they realize any of this. I was angry for years. Now I just laugh. And I am still my asshole self, realizing how much the world sucks. I filter it out, and am glad it is not me.

But you have one chance in this world, take it and make it the best time you can.

I know your fear of loss
And your struggles with faith
And how it takes everything that you have to face the day
The virtues you possess now bring you eternal pain
All you have is contempt for a life you can't obtain
All your heroes have failed you
Yet you try and prevail
Face your torment and dismantle your doubt
Refuse this legacy of shame and deceit
Cause the only real truth in your life that you know is hostility

Your world is coming apart
Remain steadfast

Perseverance
Against all opposition
Crushing all limitations
Pure strength through solitude
Discipline and determination

You can't accept what you've been told
Anchored in sin you must reverse your descent
Declare the weight of the world has yet to claim you
And admit that your faults will not restrain you
Glimpses of fate bring light to your despair
Realise hope isn't short of your grasp
Resurrect every dream that you've buried alive
And never succumb to the war that you fight in your heart

Your world is coming apart
Remain steadfast

Perseverance
Against all opposition
Crushing all limitations
Pure strength through solitude
Discipline and determination

change, in what direction? positive or negative? (hint, positive is good)

yeah, pushing people around is definitely the easy way to do things, however it won't be the most gratifiying in the long term for yourself that is.

and I hear you about saving a dog over people, a lot of people feel the same way. :1orglaugh

I don't drink. No use for it really.

I know what I don't want, I don't want to be surrounded by the drooling masses.

It doesn't actually feel good to kick someone's ass. You've got it all wrong. Yes, the actual act is a rush, but that can be acheived in so many other ways. I've never just attacked someone. Skipping right to the them apologizing prefusely stage and then leaving works just as well.

For me, it's always result driven. What can I do to make you stop annoying me the fastest? Most often, violence is not the best option. It's just always an option as far as I'm concerned.

you need to listen to BLOOD FOR BLOOD more

I got some kind of hate,
I got some kind of hate,
I got some kind of hate and I hate the whole human race.

I got some kind of hate,
I got some kind of hate,
I got some kind of hate and I hate the mother fucking human race.

So let's go...

Y'know I got some bad ideas burning deep in my black heart.
Well, evil is as evil's gonna do now
Y'know I try to do my part. .. HA HA!
And I'm a time bomb tickin'... BOOM!
I been tickin' to the sounds of the rock and roll... OH NO!
I think I'm gonna explode... OH NO!
I THINK I'M GONNA EXPLODE!

You call me anti-social, well you're fucking right!
'Cause I hate this goddamned world and everything in sight
and every one in sight.
You call me anti-social, well you're fucking right!
'Cause I hate this mother fucking world and every mother fucker in sight!

I got some kind of hate for the human race.
I never found a place in the human race...
Maybe it's too late for the human race.
I never found a place in the human race...

Sometimes I wish I could just turn my back and run.
Just turn my back and run away.
Sometimes I feel like I just gotta gotta get a gun
and reach the top of the world my own way...

https://youtube.com/watch?v=D17K6fuO4NY

That is very very funny ... well done

That's why we should be best friends for life.

warchild, shave your head and hit the floor of hardcore show if you really feel that way.

if you cant bleed with freinds who can you bleed with???

RELEASE OF OUR AGGRESSION.
THE THERAPY FOR OUR LIVES.
THIS IS OUR WAY OF DEALING WITH THE PRESSURES BUILT INSIDE.
LET IT ALL GO!
THE FLOOR IS OURS SO CLENCH YOUR FISTS AND HOLD 'EM TIGHT,
SWING 'EM HARD AND LET THE BLOOD AND SWEAT WASH AWAY THE TRPUBLES WE FACE IN EVERY DAY LIFE.

THIS IS YOUR TIME SO SWING FOR BLOOD.
NO HARD TIMES HERE IT'S ALL IN FUN.
REPRESENT YOUR BLOCK,
COME ON AND STEP IT UP.
WHAT'S A LITTLE BLOOD BETWEEN THE ONES WE LOVE!

SO LACE YOUR SHOES UP TIGHT,
AND STOMP THAT FUCKIN FLOOR.
REPRESENTATION IS A MUST,
SO DANCE HARD AND SHOW US WHO'S DOWN FOR THE CORE.
WE MUST FORGET EVERYTHING IN THE OUTSIDE WORLD AND JUST RELEASE THE AGRESSIONS INSIDE.
BUT HAVE RESPECT FOR ONE ANOTHER, AND EVERYONE WILL HAVE A GOOD TIME.

@cherrylula
Your positive thoughts will more likely to pull some people at your side. Hats off to you.

thanks :)

I do shave my head, but I'm not that much in to hardcore shows. I like to participate rather than spectate. That's why I train hard all the time. Run, Gym, Fight is my daily routine.

best quote ever:

and let me add that Pussies have the most fun with the least amount of effort. :)

but yeah I guess not everyone can handle being a Pussy. :1orglaugh

Eddy murphy quote from "Delirious";

Mom, the ice cream man is coming
mom, throw down some money
rest is history :)

Karma works at club down the street, she gives great dances!

For a really good time ask for the 2 girl special with her friend Destiny.