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badmunchkin 09-15-2008 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by EonBlue (Post 14760928)
Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act








Seems like a cop out to blame Bush for a bill that was signed into law by Bill Clinton.

Bush hasn't helped the situation but there is plenty of blame to go around. Blaming it all on Bush is a gross oversimplification of the whole mess.

The bill I was talking about was the Commodity Futures Modernization Act of 2000. Phil Gramm snuck it in with a completely unrelated omnibus spending bill that Clinton had been trying to pass for some time. It's common knowledge that no one in congress even read it (it was submitted right before Xmas break) and it passed. Clinton and congress were negligent but Gramm & friends are the fucktards responsible.

EonBlue 09-15-2008 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by tony404 (Post 14760949)
actually it would be exact to blame the republicans and phil gramm. Phil got rewarded handsomely for fucking the country.

But the Democrats supported the bill too. I'd say both parties should share the blame.

Oh well, I guess the Democrats can do no wrong. :bowdown

badmunchkin 09-15-2008 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by EonBlue (Post 14760991)
But the Democrats supported the bill too. I'd say both parties should share the blame.

Oh well, I guess the Democrats can do no wrong. :bowdown

They supported the Omnibus bill it was tacked onto, not the Phil Gramm bill. It was completely unrelated and Gramm slipped it in in the 11th Hour and no one even read it. They do that all the time, I don't know why they tack on unrelated bills. It's fucking stupid.

badmunchkin 09-15-2008 10:06 PM

Also, Democrats tried to have the policy repealed this year and Bush vetoed it.

After Shock Media 09-15-2008 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by badmunchkin (Post 14760996)
Also, Democrats tried to have the policy repealed this year and Bush vetoed it.

Begone with reality! I command thee

badmunchkin 09-15-2008 10:09 PM

(drum roll) And McCain's solution to the financial meltdown that was caused by deregulation = more deregulation :1orglaugh

ADL Colin 09-16-2008 03:57 AM

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Originally Posted by After Shock Media (Post 14760968)
What ever happened to that whole "the buck stops here" mentality.
Always figured when shit hits fan, whoever is in charge takes responsibility.
.

True.

And every company that lost billions of dollars of money and let shareholders down should step up and take responsibility - they are in charge - because not every bank ran themselves into the bank. Some of them have come out of this with increased marketshare and the ability to buyout weakened competitors.

And every person who bought a condo to flip and lost money should take responsibility for their household's poor decision - they are in charge- because I and many like me had the chance to do it and thought it was foolish. How many times someone offered me the chances to get in on such great investments from 2003-2005? How about you?

And every person who bought a house they couldn't afford. (I know I bought a house that I more than can afford by any reasonable standard. Didn't you?)

And every lawmaker who voted yes to laws that contributed to the mess. Stand up.

And every president who signed such laws into legislation. stand up.

It goes on and on and on.

Nearly every single person or company having trouble related to the housing fallout made a poor decision that got them there. They should stand up and say "the buck stops here"


Uhhhhh .. how come no one stood up?

Bossman 09-16-2008 04:26 AM

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Originally Posted by ADL Colin (Post 14761523)
Uhhhhh .. how come no one stood up?

Ok - IŽll admit it...

I caused the great depression of 2008!

... sorry guys :Oh crap

Quagmire 09-16-2008 05:14 AM

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Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls (Post 14760270)
both and most of all the FED. Cant keep printing money and not expect it to blow away in the wind

Don't be silly. Hitler printed money and look at how it turned out for hi... Oh yeah... Never mind. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Klen 09-16-2008 05:15 AM

Blame headless for bad economy.

IllTestYourGirls 09-16-2008 05:21 AM

Thank god the dems are helping out by bailing out big business! Way to show us that the dems are no different than the reps Dodd!

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lala...nk-of-ame.html

FUCK YOU ALL :)

cykoe6 09-16-2008 05:33 AM

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Originally Posted by ThunderBalls (Post 14760608)
I am so sick of hearing that the problem is due to 'bad mortgages'. This has been a republican spin for the past few years to to shift blame for failed policies. Policies that favored corporations and fucked the little guy. You're going to tell me a 158 year old bank started dishing out bad mortgages out of the blue?

Of course this administration is to blame, what the fuck does anyone think is going to happen when you give tax breaks to oil companies, allow drug companies to charge up to 5X the price of drugs compared to other countries, create a hundred billion dollar war for companies like Halliburton and it goes on and on and on.

This bullshit caused people to make less money while paying more for everything from gas to food to medicine. People were forced to live on credit simply to survive and now its all collapsing.

Fuck Bush, fuck McCain and fuck every republican that voted for these anti-american thieves.

The amount of economic illiteracy packed into those paragraphs is truly breathtaking. :upsidedow

ADL Colin 09-16-2008 06:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Bossman (Post 14761554)
Ok - I´ll admit it...

I caused the great depression of 2008!

... sorry guys :Oh crap

I'm eagerly awaiting your book. In the meantime how about a blog?

EonBlue 09-16-2008 06:13 AM

Here's an interesting book by somebody who knows some of the inside stories:

Behind The Housing Crash: Confessions of an Insider

J. Falcon 09-16-2008 06:32 AM

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Originally Posted by ThunderBalls (Post 14760608)
I am so sick of hearing that the problem is due to 'bad mortgages'. This has been a republican spin for the past few years to to shift blame for failed policies. Policies that favored corporations and fucked the little guy. You're going to tell me a 158 year old bank started dishing out bad mortgages out of the blue?

Of course this administration is to blame, what the fuck does anyone think is going to happen when you give tax breaks to oil companies, allow drug companies to charge up to 5X the price of drugs compared to other countries, create a hundred billion dollar war for companies like Halliburton and it goes on and on and on.

This bullshit caused people to make less money while paying more for everything from gas to food to medicine. People were forced to live on credit simply to survive and now its all collapsing.

Fuck Bush, fuck McCain and fuck every republican that voted for these anti-american thieves.


Excelelnt post. And fuck those stupid enough to vote another republican into office.

J. Falcon 09-16-2008 06:40 AM

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Originally Posted by cykoe6 (Post 14761691)
The amount of economic illiteracy packed into those paragraphs is truly breathtaking. :upsidedow

Great response, you really showed him.

EonBlue 09-16-2008 06:41 AM

You think things are bad now?

The economy is going to get much worse once Bush is gone.

:winkwink:

ADL Colin 09-16-2008 06:44 AM

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Originally Posted by EonBlue (Post 14761874)
Here's an interesting book by somebody who knows some of the inside stories:

Behind The Housing Crash: Confessions of an Insider

Here's a few I read and highly recommend. Some directly about the present crises. others related or historical.

The New Paradigm for Financial Markets - Soros (Containing the best history of collateralized mortgage based debt instruments that I've found yet.

Subprime Solution - Shiller (Reading this right now but his other books were awesome)

Trillion Dollar Meltdown - Charles Morris

Demon of our own design - about the dangers of financial innovations and the problems with the inherent leverage

Panic of 1907 - extremely well-written look at the crisis in 1907.

Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds - a book I read 30 years ago

EonBlue 09-16-2008 07:17 AM

Hmmmmm. Could all of this have been caused by affirmative action policies?

yys 09-16-2008 09:46 AM

Lets take a trip back in time
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September 11, 2003
New Agency Proposed to Oversee Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae
By STEPHEN LABATON

The Bush administration today recommended the most significant regulatory overhaul in the housing finance industry since the savings and loan crisis a decade ago.


Under the plan, disclosed at a Congressional hearing today, a new agency would be created within the Treasury Department to assume supervision of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the government-sponsored companies that are the two largest players in the mortgage lending industry.

The new agency would have the authority, which now rests with Congress
, to set one of the two capital-reserve requirements for the companies. It would exercise authority over any new lines of business. And it would determine whether the two are adequately managing the risks of their ballooning portfolios.

The plan is an acknowledgment by the administration that oversight of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac -- which together have issued more than $1.5 trillion in outstanding debt -- is broken. A report by outside investigators in July concluded that Freddie Mac manipulated its accounting to mislead investors, and critics have said Fannie Mae does not adequately hedge against rising interest rates.

''There is a general recognition that the supervisory system for housing-related government-sponsored enterprises neither has the tools, nor the stature, to deal effectively with the current size, complexity and importance of these enterprises,'' Treasury Secretary John W. Snow told the House Financial Services Committee in an appearance with Housing Secretary Mel Martinez, who also backed the plan.


and what was the Democrats response

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''These two entities -- Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac -- are not facing any kind of financial crisis,'' said Representative Barney Frank of Massachusetts, the ranking Democrat on the Financial Services Committee. ''The more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies, the less we will see in terms of affordable housing.''
Representative Melvin L. Watt, Democrat of North Carolina, agreed.
''I don't see much other than a shell game going on here, moving something from one agency to another and in the process weakening the bargaining power of poorer families and their ability to get affordable housing,'' Mr. Watt said.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...gewanted=print

Sure looks like you can lay all the blame on Bush. The Dem's were on the ball with what was building :thumbsup :1orglaugh

EonBlue 09-16-2008 09:51 AM

Another one:

The Real Culprits In This Meltdown

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Obama in a statement yesterday blamed the shocking new round of subprime-related bankruptcies on the free-market system, and specifically the "trickle-down" economics of the Bush administration, which he tried to gig opponent John McCain for wanting to extend.

But it was the Clinton administration, obsessed with multiculturalism, that dictated where mortgage lenders could lend, and originally helped create the market for the high-risk subprime loans now infecting like a retrovirus the balance sheets of many of Wall Street's most revered institutions.

Tough new regulations forced lenders into high-risk areas where they had no choice but to lower lending standards to make the loans that sound business practices had previously guarded against making. It was either that or face stiff government penalties.

tranza 09-16-2008 09:59 AM

It' amazing to see the amount of dumb people on this thread.


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