not anymore, now if you send a take down request for something that is fair use, you can be sued for all the court costs, and economic damage.

http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2008/08...ider-fair-use-

ruling like this have created an economic insentive to fight, lawyers can defend the fair use rights probono and cash in at the end with a counter suit.

Your livelihood is just at risk if you falsely target a fair use access/distribution of copyrighted materials.



except for the cash people have to pay to rebuy the content they have a fair use right to recover.

:1orglaugh

and I suppose you're harmlessly seeding to others who are using the technology for the same legitimate purpose.


You mean people actually use that as an excuse? Who would of thought! But thats only about one user out of a million or something like that? Correct?



But I thought everybody downloading TV shows wasn't comitting a crime.. you know being that we almost all own televisons. You said so yourself.

I repeat!

totally agree, i just object to demands that i pay twice for right to view.

Don't humour me with a child dancing to background music being compared to anything remotely of scale of what I'm referring too.

I've seen every lethal weapon at one point or another.

Can I download the entire box set and give copies to my friends if they've already seen them too?

Well since no one is getting a working copy from me (how the technology works) and i own a right to view the content i am getting from the torrents. My actions are clear.



your using it as a straw man agruement so of course people are using it as an excuse. Like every straw man arguement it doesn't invalidate the point i am making, when you paid for a show (either because it on basic cable -- or because you subcribed to the extra stations need) you have a right to timeshift your viewing rights with any technology you want (torrents included).


so let see if i get your arguement
1. i am going to create a fake fair use right called "reverse timeshifting"
2. i am going to prove that my fake fair use right is not real (duh)

therefore

legitimate fair use rights like timeshfting are not real either.

the fact that reverse time shifting is not a right does not invalidate the real fair use right of timeshifting.

oh, kind of like a sneaky grey area.. I see


So all those other programs that they don't own listed on the torrent along side the program they are downloading for time-shifting purposes is going to be left alone until after they purchase said program. Ok, thats a relieve.


Ok, I'll rent HBO for a month and download every episode of the Sopranos before I decide to cancel. Gotcha.


That way I offically time-shifted. :winkwink:

Best advice you are going to get in this thread.

i would really like to see you make that arguement in court

i personally don't think it will fly but maybe you will get lucky

Where do I send for a refund on my last 23 copies of Dark Side of the Moon?

You're right.

You send them back to

Copyright Infringement
1234 Board Troll Avenue
gideongallery, GFY
98765

It's so hard not to get sucked into this guy's retarded vortex. Not one single thing he has posted makes a bit of sense or is supported under the law. He claims A is true (when it's not), then says that B exists (when it doesn't) then concludes that C is legal, when it's not. He doesn't even understand (or is purposely confusing) what time-shifting is. It's like arguing with some one who believes in creationism. You just have no hope of convincing them otherwise no matter how silly they sound to everyone else.

Agreed Jimmy Gunn.

What would really be funny is seeing you in court making the argument that you have a right to download/seed DVD rips because they appeared on TNT last year :1orglaugh

only if you are a scum bag who wants to misrepresent fair use as a loop hole when it is actually an explictly defined part of the copyright act

Your not that type of scum bag are ?


other people have a right to timeshift the stuff they paid for
other people have a right to recover the stuff they paid for

I don't believe the world revolves around me, just because I don't have those timeshifting/recovery rights doesn't mean other people should have access to their equivalent rights.



only if every episode from the 5 year run played in that one month otherwise that would be another example of your reverse timeshifting strawman arguement.

remember you only have a right to timeshift stuff you bought a right to view, obviously if it did not air in the month you subscribed you did not buy such a right to view.

I think it would be easier converting someone away from creationism. :1orglaugh

i already have and i didn't even need to go to court
my isp sent me one of those you are accused of violating copyright notices for downloading episodes of lost.

sent them a copy of the cable bill (covering the periods when they aired)
copy of the tv schedule showing it airing on a channel i paid for
a copy of the CRIA case
and a copy of the PEPIDA with the damages highlighted for violating my privacy rights by releasing my personal info to the company.

never heard from them again.

And what does this has to do with the torrent seeding grey area?



Either you're sugar coating it or you some how actually believe this.

I can guarantee that out of all those people ripping off photoshop we'd be lucky to find one downloading it as a backup.


But at the very least its legal for me to download every superbowl since I've been alive, right? I mean I've always had those channels.

I can even gift them to my friends being that everybody has access to the superbowl?? Right? The NFL knows I've already paid the price of watching the commecials being aired during play.

Oh yeah. I am sure a multi million dollar company is afraid if an assclown with a copy machine.

**rolls eyes**

You showed them toots.

Talk to me when Warner Bros. or Microsoft serves you with a complaint.

gideon I remember you posting in a thread where you said you run the same or similar sort of company as RYC is there any chance of you icqing me a link to check it out? I'm not trying to dis you or anything at all I'm just interested thats all and it will be kept private.
4-2-1-0-9-9-4-1

please provide me with a link to something i said was true (and a link to the proof that it wasn't)

please provide me with a link to something that i said exists (and a link to the poff that it doesn't)

time shifting is the viewing of content you paid for at a different time then it was originally aired. IT was established as a fair use right in the beta max case, and covers all the actions that exist using that technology from recording your shows yourself to borrowing a friends tape and watching a show you missed (ie because the power went out). IT has been extended to include all of the newer technologies that can provide the same functional benefit (timeshifting to a cloud).

this is a good news. we need tougher laws to deal with illegal contents.

The point gideongallery is that everything you say you're mixing in a grey area or out of context. You're obviously strecting the fair use ideology to the absolute maximum or beyond the scope of its langauage and intention.

If you need examples of this I suggest doing a seach for your name.

Its fairly obvious to everyone but yourself.

Aussie Rebel...if you get an icq from gideongallery and can verify that he does indeed actually own that company he claims (but refuses to show anybody) please post that you did see it with your own eyes and verified that gideongallery owns it.

I would be shocked...AND, most importantly I would give gideongallery a big apology and actually respect his views as his right to voice on here.

But I'm not gonna hold my breath. I don't believe he owns anything.

weather they got the redacted response and back down
or my internet provider refused to release the information because of PEPIDA doesn't matter
i never head from them again.


disney (owner of ABC, producer of lost) bigger than warner bros

so i have already been targetted by someone between those to examples.

If WB comes after me for downloading copys of smallville i am pretty certain the record on file with my isp would stop them from bothering me too.

For you brother anything:thumbsup but I wont post any info about his site though if he does contact me

Sorry Gideon I posted the wrong icq it's 4-2-1-9-9-0-4-1

Scan the complaint, your Response and the Judge's order or it never happened.

BTW, if you're truely getting all this attention than you really are riding this fair use thing for all thats its worth

I don't want you to do that either. I'll respect his privacy...if he has anything. But to me he's just another of the magical mystery millionaires of GFY who talk the talk.

seeding content you bought is a backup
backup is a fair use right
fair use is defined in the copyright act



well the seeder would be using the backup fair use
the downloader would be using the recovery fair use
but i am going to assume that you ment recovery when you said back up
but since you can identify, track down and procecute every one of those other people (everyone but the one you could find-- i think the number would be greater than 1)
you don't need to take away the technology from those who legitimately using it in a fair use way. That the point i am making.





as long as you can prove you paid for it, sure why not. Remember that fair use is an affirmative defence (at least it was until the lenz vs universal) so you better have proof that you bought a right to view that airing.


depends are you giving them the entire file or just small non working pieces that they would have to trade with their other friends to recover a full working copy. (no actual infringement)

or
can you prove that all your friends you gave it to bought such a right to view (actually had tv at the time it originally aired) it not that hard when it was last weeks episode of lost but it may be a lot harder if it was omething from 20 years ago.

no judges order as i said "i never had to go to trial."

the other two would be an email (from the isp mentioning the tv episode) and a response email back to abuse department.

i can look for them if you really want, but i am not going to waste my time if your going to pull a Barefootsies and claim i lied because i didn't present you with a judges order.

correct your request and repost and i will look for it for you.

Nice try board troll.

wtf? how in the hell can seeding content, which involves a random person connecting to your computer directly and you serving the file directly to them, be "backup"??

Honest to God, do not feed this douche bag ...... ignore his cheap thieving ass. :2 cents:

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:thumbsup

You see barefootsies, you just made fair use of klazes timeshifting of stickyfingerz I am now going to put it in an iframe and stick some dating ads all around it and monetize it. I will profit off of it unless you send me a DMCA And then you BETTER be able to prove I didn't have fair use or I'm gonna sue you.

http://i535.photobucket.com/albums/e...zes/sticky.gif

Damn it...barefootsies DMCA'ed me and now my stickyfingerz page looks like this:


That's ok. I made a few grand for the few minutes it was up. I'm gonna "seed" it and timeshift it on every tube and torrent out there and then I'm gonna go to every forum dedicated to stickyfingerz and post the urls to where they can download it for free so that everybody can have fair use. Cause God knows we've all paid for stickyfingerz at least once, so we all have fair use rights.

I'm a busy porn director. I don't have time to retort point by point with trolling nitwits. I just like the camaraderie of goofing on you along with the other guys here. Timeshifting to a "cloud" indeed, LOL. Who the fuck does that or would bother wasting their time with that? 99% of file sharing is done by people that never watched or purchased the original movie or song, it's just a way to get something for free. Your arguments sound like the guys who parse the language of the Constitution and the Federal laws and conclude that no one or almost no one has to pay Federal taxes. It's transparent self serving BS designed purely to advance your agenda

Well he didn't contact me so I guess he wants to keep it secret

pretty harsh I think

That's because it doesn't exist. The beauty of GFY. All these motherfuckers on here can claim to be any damn thing they want and run their dicksuckers all day long. And if you question them then you are the asshole somehow! :1orglaugh It's laughable to say the least and that's how I approach it now.

right and claiming that 99% of file sharing is done by people that never watched or purchased the orignal movie or song when you know that 50% of torrent traffic is for tv shows (because i already posted the link to the traffic study) .

if even 1 single person is downloading a movie that aired on tv (matrix, etc) a MAJORITY of people are using torrents as timeshifting technology.

if quoting the same independent studies to prove my point is "transparent self serving BS designed purely to advance your agenda" what does it mean when you keep pulling numbers (99%) out of your ass when you know they are false.

IT is absolutely certain that 99% are not stealing movies or songs they have never purchased because 50% of bit torrent traffic is for tv shows (neither movies or songs).