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tony286 09-07-2008 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Young (Post 14721864)
That does not give him the fucking right to be President. Sorry....nice try.

He also was involved in one of the biggest Savings and Loans scandals in American History.

He also dumped his disabled wife in favor of a young hotty from Arizona who was made of money and political influence.

All the honor in the world can't hide the fact that he is a cheater, liar, and opportunist. All 3 of those adjectives can be proven by his actions.

you forgot this one much more recent history.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politic...cainland_N.htm

spacedog 09-07-2008 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by After Shock Media (Post 14721834)
....

This is about a one legged soldier clinging onto a reason that he can sleep with in regards to his lost leg and how he strung together common sound bites and false information to make his life and sacrifice bearable.

Horseshit! Unlike you, that man saw first hand the end result.

Ask an Iraqi citizen how they feel about it. They're certainly more appreciative and thankful to the brave men and women of the US Armed Forces than alot of Americans.

So much for patriotism, honor and freedom.. So much for respect.

ANYONE WHO PUTS THEIR OWN LIFE ON THE LINE TO BENEFIT THE WELL BEING OF ANOTHER HUMAN BEING DESERVES NOTHING SHORT OF HONOR AND RESPECT, IRREGARDLESS OF THE INTENT OR REASONS PRESENTED BY THE GOVERNMENT.

spacedog 09-07-2008 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Young (Post 14721864)
That does not give him the fucking right to be President. Sorry....nice try.

He also was involved in one of the biggest Savings and Loans scandals in American History.

He also dumped his disabled wife in favor of a young hotty from Arizona who was made of money and political influence.

All the honor in the world can't hide the fact that he is a cheater, liar, and opportunist. All 3 of those adjectives can be proven by his actions.

Are you fucking illiterate? I am referring to the soldier who lost his limb, not McCain.

Gouge 09-07-2008 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls (Post 14721650)
Which Senator profited the most from the Iraq war? Ill give you 2 hints. It starts with John and ends Kerry.

You forgot Barbara Boxer and Dianne Feinstein.

DateDoc 09-07-2008 08:52 PM


Shagbunny 09-07-2008 08:55 PM

to that video i say STFU and get a job, i've had enough of this partronizing soldiers, fight for my country and shit when i see innocent women being raped and blown up for being simply an Iraqi, fuck that

GTFO of Iraq.

marketsmart 09-07-2008 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by marketsmart (Post 14721865)
all i can say is whether you are a democrat or republican, can anyone even tell me why they are for a particular candidate and why..

and i mean actually understanding what they are pitching, not parroting everything you heard in the news (tv, radio, print, etc)...

i doubt most if any here cant....

just as i suspected... no one here knows or are you heading out to google to start looking shit up..

classic... :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

tony286 09-07-2008 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by marketsmart (Post 14721865)
all i can say is whether you are a democrat or republican, can anyone even tell me why they are for a particular candidate and why..

and i mean actually understanding what they are pitching, not parroting everything you heard in the news (tv, radio, print, etc)...

i doubt most if any here cant....

I will tell you,obama is the first politician that ever moved me.

Young 09-07-2008 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by spacedog (Post 14721886)
Are you fucking illiterate? I am referring to the soldier who lost his limb, not McCain.

My bad...

stickyfingerz 09-07-2008 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by tony404 (Post 14721918)
I will tell you,obama is the first politician that ever moved me.

Was Reagan for me. :winkwink:

Young 09-07-2008 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by stickyfingerz (Post 14721940)
Was Reagan for me. :winkwink:

20 years ago you were.....?

Republicans and their beloved economy killing Reagan :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

marketsmart 09-07-2008 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by tony404 (Post 14721918)
I will tell you,obama is the first politician that ever moved me.

i will be the first to admit that i dont know much detail of their plans.. a know a little, but what i am basing my decision on is that when you have a mixed party congress and president, almost nothing gets done.

i am voting for obama (the first time i voted since i voted for perot) because congress is democrat. i am hoping that with a democrat pres and congress some shit might actually get done.

i also like obamas pledge to open up govt to the US people by making more of the political process viewable on tv or the web.. i really hope this happens even if mccain wins..

people need to see whats really going on in washington...

DateDoc 09-07-2008 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Shagbunny (Post 14721908)
to that video i say STFU and get a job, i've had enough of this partronizing soldiers, fight for my country and shit when i see innocent women being raped and blown up for being simply an Iraqi, fuck that

GTFO of Iraq.

Fuck you pal! You pick on a soldier because of what a few people did? Get over it and if you do not like it move the fuck to France!

After Shock Media 09-07-2008 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by DateDoc (Post 14721962)
Fuck you pal! You pick on a soldier because of what a few people did? Get over it and if you do not like it move the fuck to France!

This is not a typical soldier, this is one who turned himself or allowed himself to be turned into a political message using his disability as an emotional stimulant. Comments directed at him or the video should not be taken as addressed at the military as a whole or all soldiers.

When you make yourself part of the campaign you also make yourself open to criticism.

stickyfingerz 09-07-2008 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Young (Post 14721947)
20 years ago you were.....?

Republicans and their beloved economy killing Reagan :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

15 whats your point?


20 years ago you were..... ?

Jakez 09-07-2008 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by tony404 (Post 14721550)
Where is bin laden he killed 3000 Americans?

How many has Bush killed?

spacedog 09-07-2008 09:40 PM

A charismatic candidate with radical marxist underpinnings, offering a promise of national salvation and sweeping social change, who inspires a cult-like following of true believers to near-religious zealotry should scare the living hell out of every American.

marketsmart 09-07-2008 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by marketsmart (Post 14721865)
all i can say is whether you are a democrat or republican, can anyone even tell me why they are for a particular candidate and why..

and i mean actually understanding what they are pitching, not parroting everything you heard in the news (tv, radio, print, etc)...

i doubt most if any here cant....

wtf.. none of you other than tony has a reason why they are voting for a particular person?

marketsmart 09-07-2008 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by stickyfingerz (Post 14721997)
15 whats your point?


20 years ago you were..... ?

you are a die hard republican.. you should be able to answer the question i have asked 3 times in this thread, right?

Gouge 09-07-2008 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by notoldschool (Post 14721712)
Lol, you are a little boy mentally. You dont get clearence to work in division S1 being a nutjob. Its people like yourself who believe that all soldiers must be Republican because you grew up watching Fox news makes your ignorance obvious. Are you saying that people that voted against Bush in 04 were nutjobs. LOL after what our country has become and the way our economy has went down the tubes you are obviously more the nutjob because you still think your lackeys are doing a good job. Just like your program your beliefs are out of gas.

Your such a fucking fake, Soldiers right out of boot can work in S1 for the Army its an Administrative Section, for the USMC its Personnel Office.

If so outline the first 4 chapters of the FMI manual.

S1 - Personnel / Administrative
S2 - Intelligence
S3 - Operations
S4 - Logistics
S5 - Civil Affairs
S6 - Computers/Automation

tony286 09-07-2008 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by stickyfingerz (Post 14721940)
Was Reagan for me. :winkwink:

Just so you know the biggest tax increases during peacetime in the history of this country happened during reagan.
http://www.nationalreview.com/nrof_b...0310290853.asp
national review not a liberal publication

Gouge 09-07-2008 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by spacedog (Post 14722017)
A charismatic candidate with radical marxist underpinnings, offering a promise of national salvation and sweeping social change, who inspires a cult-like following of true believers to near-religious zealotry should scare the living hell out of every American.

I concur.

Reminds me of Pol Pot, Mao Zedong, Joseph Stalin, Adolf Hitler and Benito Mussolini.

stickyfingerz 09-07-2008 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by tony404 (Post 14722035)
Just so you know the biggest tax increases during peacetime in the history of this country happened during reagan.
http://www.nationalreview.com/nrof_b...0310290853.asp
national review not a liberal publication

Was that in 2003 that he won the best President in History? :winkwink:

tony286 09-07-2008 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by stickyfingerz (Post 14722053)
Was that in 2003 that he won the best President in History? :winkwink:

He won it according to who? He is not greater to this country than thomas jefferson or at least 5 others off of the top of my head not even fucking close. Also what does that have to do with him raising taxes?

marketsmart 09-07-2008 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by marketsmart (Post 14721842)
all i can say is whether you are a democrat or republican, can anyone even tell me why they are for a particular candidate and why..

and i mean actually understanding what they are pitching, not parroting everything you heard in the news (tv, radio, print, etc)...

i doubt most if any here cant....

still waiting for people to step up to the plate.... :Oh crap

yes, you especially sticky.... :thumbsup

stickyfingerz 09-07-2008 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by tony404 (Post 14722057)
He won it according to who? He is not greater to this country than thomas jefferson or at least 5 others off of the top of my head not even fucking close. Also what does that have to do with him raising taxes?

It was a nationwide vote, was a 2 or 3 day special they ran on Nbc. Matt Lauer was the host for it. You were only allowed one vote per phone number.

Whats it have to do? It has to do with that apparently people like him a lot, so I guess they just ignored their taxes being raised.. lol

stickyfingerz 09-07-2008 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by marketsmart (Post 14722066)
still waiting for people to step up to the plate.... :Oh crap

yes, you especially sticky.... :thumbsup

Going into specifics when discussing politics on gfy? Are you serious. Isn't that like trying to teach a 2 year old advanced meta physics?

marketsmart 09-07-2008 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by stickyfingerz (Post 14722108)
Going into specifics when discussing politics on gfy? Are you serious. Isn't that like trying to teach a 2 year old advanced meta physics?

so, you dont know why you are voting for mccain?

Gouge 09-07-2008 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by tony404 (Post 14722035)
Just so you know the biggest tax increases during peacetime in the history of this country happened during reagan.
http://www.nationalreview.com/nrof_b...0310290853.asp
national review not a liberal publication

According to the Congressional Budget Commission on Pg.5 OTA U.S. Department of Treasury he didnt raise taxes.

Reagan placed tax policies based on supply-side economics of a critical budget bill, written by Dems. The signed legislation raising the Social Security tax rate that was part of the budget bill that was in Congressional limbo for over months.

So whats he going to do not sign the budget bill for the nation? Or move the county forward and release funds. Regan broke the Democrats back for 4 months over the budget bill until it was unanimously agreed upon. Further more the President can't raise or lower taxes. That is a function of the Congress by way of the House Committee on Ways and Means and the Senate Finance Committee, along with the members of both bodies.

On a side note, the bill he signed was a stack of paper about 10 inches in thickness. He displayed it on TV in disgust as a sign of displeasure by what the Democats had become.

You can educate yourself by reading the Supply-Side Tax Cuts Policy Analysis but i doubt anyone will do it, most everyone on here is to lazy to care.

http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=1120&full=1

stickyfingerz 09-07-2008 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by marketsmart (Post 14722114)
so, you dont know why you are voting for mccain?

Personally I wouldn't of picked any of the candidates that are up this year. Am I a big McCain fan? No not really. Do I trust Obama to be our president before I would trust McCain? Nope not even close. Regardless of a signal I wouldn't vote for him. He comes off as untrustworthy, and transparent. The majority of Americans will be voting with me imo. But time will tell.

pocketkangaroo 09-07-2008 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by stickyfingerz (Post 14721791)
That wasn't the point. Kerry is a known proven elitist, so compare McCain to him. Obama isn't as bad as Kerry, but he is much much closer to him than McCain is.

What exactly makes them "elitist"? And isn't it a good thing to have an "elite President". I mean if I'm going into surgery, I'll take the "elite doctor" over the average one.

marketsmart 09-07-2008 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by stickyfingerz (Post 14722129)
Personally I wouldn't of picked any of the candidates that are up this year. Am I a big McCain fan? No not really. Do I trust Obama to be our president before I would trust McCain? Nope not even close. Regardless of a signal I wouldn't vote for him. He comes off as untrustworthy, and transparent. The majority of Americans will be voting with me imo. But time will tell.

thank you... thats a legitimate answer...

so far only you and tony offer up a reason as to why you are voting for a particular candidate thats not based on what the media has told you...

pocketkangaroo 09-07-2008 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by spacedog (Post 14721850)
Because FREEDOM has it's price, irregardless of location, all human beings are entitled to it!

Then why aren't you fighting in it? Weird how so many people are passionate about what the war did but not passionate enough to actually enlist. So all human beings are entitled to freedom as long as you don't have to do any of the stuff to make it happen.

spacedog 09-07-2008 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo (Post 14722143)
Then why aren't you fighting in it? Weird how so many people are passionate about what the war did but not passionate enough to actually enlist. So all human beings are entitled to freedom as long as you don't have to do any of the stuff to make it happen.

Pardon me? Know who the fuck your talking to/about before jumping to baseless conclusions.

pocketkangaroo 09-07-2008 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by spacedog (Post 14722148)
Pardon me? Know who the fuck your talking to/about before jumping to baseless conclusions.

It's a serious question. There are people going on their 3rd and 4th tours. If you've been in the military, why not re-enlist? If not, why not enlist?

stickyfingerz 09-07-2008 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo (Post 14722143)
Then why aren't you fighting in it? Weird how so many people are passionate about what the war did but not passionate enough to actually enlist. So all human beings are entitled to freedom as long as you don't have to do any of the stuff to make it happen.

Thats the weakest argument, and most common.

pocketkangaroo 09-07-2008 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by stickyfingerz (Post 14722159)
Thats the weakest argument, and most common.

Not really. If you're passionate about the reasons for war, then why not fight in it? You're healthy and would benefit the cause. If I felt the need for war was necessary, I'd enlist immediately.

Guess it's just easier to send poor kids over to die for your cause than to do it yourself.

marketsmart 09-07-2008 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo (Post 14722166)
Not really. If you're passionate about the reasons for war, then why not fight in it? You're healthy and would benefit the cause. If I felt the need for war was necessary, I'd enlist immediately.

Guess it's just easier to send poor kids over to die for your cause than to do it yourself.

i support the troops, but i do not support the war.. therfore, i would not enlist in any armed service...

if the US was ever invaded, i would be the first to go sign up... :2 cents:

spacedog 09-07-2008 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo (Post 14722154)
It's a serious question. There are people going on their 3rd and 4th tours. If you've been in the military, why not re-enlist? If not, why not enlist?

DOD prohibits the enlistment of any applicant who has more than two dependents under the age of 18. I have three.

marketsmart 09-07-2008 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by spacedog (Post 14722177)
DOD prohibits the enlistment of any applicant who has more than two dependents under the age of 18. I have three.

are you a single parent?


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