mccain is fighting for the america majority which is white people with family values.

obama is fighting for black liberation ....................by fooling the small number of ignorant whites who are are deseperately looking for hope into voting for him.. he is trying to advance black people first by exploiting the desperate.

its all about which america you want to live in.

i would rather live in an america with strong family values and keep sin and alternative lifestyles in the backroom.

i dont believe in forcing filth down the throats of people who dont want it...

its kinda like sports, music and everything else a particular race of people have taken over and ruined..

this is where u have to draw the line though...

I fighting for Republican Jewish gay midgets. They need more rights.

Which race of people would that be? :1orglaugh

Perhaps we should explain this to the out-of-towners. This means McCain voted along party lines 90% of the time. It does not mean he "voted with Bush."

Now while that sounds like a lot, it actually shows the ability to cross the aisle and work with the other party. Take a Senator like Obama. He voted along party lines 97% of the time.

I found this interesting, especially coming from Michael Moore:

Oh well.

That is pretty funny. I watched it on PBS. Everyone there said it was great. After they went off air I bounced between MSNBC and Fox and everyone liked it. Said it was the first time in a long time that the Republicans could cheer.

Hell, even the Democrat they asked on Fox was full of praise. The anchor said, "we put you on here to say something negative."

Are you sure you aren't watching reruns of Ferraro's speech in 1984?

:1orglaugh

Give it eight.

Racist much?

typical of the left...

pretty sad that these idiots cannot even acknowledge a great speech...

i dislike obama but i wont deny the fact that he is a great speaker and great motivator.

racist no, realist yes

i hate the idiots of any race

You fail.

I like Republicans to but.. The Philosophy is actually incorrect.
Smaller Government is a quasi agenda in to Republicans.

Not only that the larger a society is the more is required of a government system tp provide protections and support of infrastructure, and provide what the society needs as it grows in times of hardship. Such as food, Employment.

FOR EXAMPLE: Today in America we do not even have universal health coverage. Many countries of the world have a base of medical coverage to support its people that can not afford Medical coverage.

FOR EXAMPLE: A Peopkle of a nation needs jobs and needs to be protected from job loss, this is where the whole Country first slogan comes from which actually came from the Democrat side of this debate. COuntry first means protect our borders, country first means jobs for Americans country first are tons of things that are not related to the Repbublican agenda whats so ever.

Another thing you goto look at is the fact that the Republican party is the party of Business guys, the Democratic party is the party of Lawyers and attornies.

Now I do not know about you but I rather deal with an Attorney that makes rules with humanity and society in mind before the bottom line of a fucking business.

As of late it seems the Republicans have outsourced our job's millions of jobs to other countries. Why? TO meet the bottom line more money for the companies and less for the typical American worker. This typical American worker I am talking about works jobs accross the spectrum, from Computing to Steel working to farming, Jobs are gone and given to people not of our country.

For Republicans to claim country first is a total fucking joke.

Whats the scoop on the lady the secret service escorted out?

Yes, it does.

I found it interesting that you believed 100% what Michael Moore would post, without fact checking. Close, but not quite the way you would have us believe if it matters.


http://www.factcheck.org/askfactchec...oted_with.html

With Palin, you'll get guns. You can't be sure you'll get less taxes after what she did in Alaska, and you won't get smaller government. 1 out of 3 ok?

I really got no idea why people would even consider the Republican ticket after 8 years.

How could Americans want more of what these fuckheads have done for another 4 fucking years? I really do not get it.

And thats not even putting the wack job MCcain and Palin the MILF in the equation.

lie his ass off indeed

Personally, I have no love for MM, which is why I found it interesting that he said that. Of course, so did the Wall Street Journal among others. Further research says another report says 95%.

What this tells me is what my dad taught me long ago, you can prove anything with statistics.

Of course, I haven't found any rebuttal to the claim that Obama voted along party lines 97% of the time, and this is the guy that is talking about unity.

You're funny. Two weeks ago you were anti-Obama.

Does this mean you are more sexist than racist? You have admitted to being racist.

It should not even fucking matter who is on the Republican ticket at this point.

The Republican party fucked us all. EVERY SINGLE AMERICAN got fucked by the Republican party running the show during these last 8 years one way or another totally fucked. Especially when you include all the dead guys in Iraq.

I've said it before. Yeah I am racist, everyone is and the worse kind of racists are the ones that can never admit it.

May that Ni66er lead us properly all the way to the promis land. I like Obama make no mistake about it. Now that I seen him more read about em separated the shit from the bullshit, the guy is an outstanding man and his VP pick is as well a sane and sober decision unlike Mccaines.

Obama and Biden are fucking solid people to run the show and as good as a politican can get. Sure I was bummed about Hillary but ya know she did vote for the war in Iraq, and she was politcally damaged goods. Obama was indeed the best choice.

I don't think it's the party line percentage that matters, it's the "more of the same" concept that is the important point in this line of thought. If McCain is 95% with Bush, will we get 4 more years of the same? That's not what we want is it?

no she made herself look like the snide asshole..I don't know about you, but alot of Rednecks just joined Obama. Not many guys dig a tough bitch that lies about her baby, throws her daughter under the bus and fucks around on her husband while he's away.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/0..._n_123696.html

I see, so what you're saying is that by picking Palin and her extremely conservative social views, that makes our country better, ie, country first? Ok, I can give you that, from a conservative family values perspective, I can see your point. But what about all the other issues of the country? How does Palin best serve those?

My takeaway from these 2 conventions:

1. Republicans = war, pro-life, religious rednecks, a smaller government that says you're on your own

2. Democrats = diplomacy, pro-choice, multiculturism, a larger government that tries to help you out.

I prefer choice #2 :thumbsup

Then you're obviously a darkie. Or an ignorant whitey.

lol wow at all the GFY Klan members

lol you pretty much summed up this race :1orglaugh

Whats it make you?
I complete fucking retard?

lol idiot. Follow the thread and see where I really stand.

facetious...look it up.

Sadly that's probably true. I was referencing someone else in this thread when responding to you btw.

Also, speaking of family values. You think it shows good judgement and values having your 17 yr old daughter get pregnant? Also, you don't believe in forcing filth down the throats of people who don't want it but you're ok forcing woman to keep babies they dont want, even in cases of rape and incest?

What are these values and which ones is Obama not fighting for?

Which policies is he advocating or has legislated in favor of black liberation?

What does this mean? Porn? Gays? Who is forcing what down whose throat? Hollywood?

Which sports are ruined? Is Britney Spears Black? Why is Will Smith the highest paid hollywood actor?

Are you sure you're on the right forum?:1orglaugh

Well, considering you think that any time a Republican senator votes Republican, he is automatically siding with Bush, I don't see the point in even trying to reason with you.

Red states have higher teen pregnancy per capita than blue states. They also have more drug and alcohol deaths per capita. Their test scores are lower than blue states and they have higher levels of poverty.

Is this the family values you speak of? The family values shit they spew is the biggest load of crap. The stats show otherwise.

Coming from the same idiot that was trying to suggest Levi was a black guy. When did she lie about her baby?

Now that is some news there. She made her daughter get pregnant?

:thumbsup:thumbsup

Translation: "I can't come up with anything, so I concede the point since it's factually accurate anyway. -- Baddog Lieberman"

The significance wasn't whether you vote with your party or not. That's not necessarily a bad thing. You don't seem to get that. I think most people understand it, even if you don't.

The context is whether McCain will be "more of the same." Will McCain give us another 4 years just like the past 8 years? His voting record indicates he will.

On the pinhead front, 16-year-old Jamie Lynn Spears is pregnant. The sister of Britney says she is shocked. I bet.

Now most teens are pinheads in some ways. But here the blame falls primarily on the parents of the girl, who obviously have little control over her or even over Britney Spears. Look at the way she behaves.

-Bill O'Reilly

ya know what i meant :winkwink:

You know, I think I heard a different speech than everybody else did. I will admit that I listened to the speeches on the radio because it was over night my time and I listened in bed. So, perhaps something was lost by not watching her rather than just listening. However, I thought that even if you simply take away what she actually said the delivery was poor. Not only do I find her voice annoying over an extended period but it felt like a speech with very little flow to it. There were bits that felt like they weren't her natural words and she was instructed to put in.

Then, when it came to what she actually said, I heard nothing of substance and little apart from continually telling us McCain served his country (we know) and snide remarks that didn't do anything to make me think she was respectful of anybody when demanding her candidate be given respect.

The very first thing in the speech put me off and that was talking so much about be 'a mom'. To me that is playing 'the woman' card and it loses me the same way that I got upset with Hillary for pulling out the tears and playing that 'woman card'. Plus, while your campaign if berating people for asking any questions about your ability to be a mom of so many kids and hold such a demanding job it is hard to keep up that line when you then use your kids as an electioneering tool. I agree that kids are off limits...so keep them out of your campaign. Especially, using a disabled baby for sympathy. You should be campaigning for the VP position as the best candidate regardless of gender rather than as "the mom". I find that an insulting ploy.

All of that said, I went into listening to it wanting to find out something about her that I liked. I will not vote for McCain but I respect him, I though Rudy was leading a near lynch mob last night but you have to give it to him that he gave a good speech to the audience he was addressing. So, I wanted to come away thinking that I don't agree with her but it was a good speech.

I ended up just thinking it was a mess of a speech.

while her daughters pregnancy should be off limits in reality IT CANT why?? because her mother is on record as being AGAINST distribution of condoms,against abortions,against sex ed in school, and is for abstaining....

How do you clean the house of the united states when your own house is dirty??

and the fact she used her family in the speech over and over just OPENED a can of worms that everone will use to attack her...

name one person running in any office that will say the hell with disabled kids or babies with down syndrom kill them all??? noone will.. everyone is for disability and unfortunate kids. dont use it as a tool to boost you on a pedistal while your putting your rival 6 feet under

You are very very wrong about that. Sure its full of holes, lies, stretches of truth, etc... but its a fine speech.

She definitely did well for the delusional republican base. Fact is, she didn't come off as a blathering, coy woman so she did way above expectations. (See Bush @ 2000 & 2004 debates. He survived the debates and didn't get slaughtered so it was almost like a win.)

She also mentioned almost nothing about policy.

Your nick suits you.

Pro-life is in fact ANTI-CHOICE ... it just sounds better ....

hey smart guy, obama is only half black...

lol yeah, she sold a jet on ebay. That won me over. Really, if Americans buy into this shit they are dumber than I had ever thought.