Sooo I just got the banner design I ordered from Jon Clark (pic)

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  • Nicky
    Too lazy to set a custom title
    • Mar 2003
    • 30071

    #1

    Sooo I just got the banner design I ordered from Jon Clark (pic)



    What do you guy's think? Was It worth $15?

    I think so.

    I think I'll order another bigger one

    gfynicky @ gmail.com
  • aico
    Moo Moo Cow
    • Mar 2004
    • 14748

    #2
    looks good to me

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    • DBS.US
      Geo Cities
      • Aug 2003
      • 11843

      #3
      Good looking banner, $15 is very good if you only ordered one banner
      Have an unused domain? Make a Free Chaturbate White Label site and be making money tonight

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      • candyflip
        Carpe Visio
        • Jul 2002
        • 43069

        #4
        Better than shit that I've paid others here the same price for. But in the end, it's just one little button. Pretty hard to fuck that up.

        Did he give you a discount for posting this thread?
        Last edited by candyflip; 09-01-2008, 09:40 PM.

        Spend you some brain.
        Email Me

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        • Nicky
          Too lazy to set a custom title
          • Mar 2003
          • 30071

          #5
          Originally posted by candyflip
          Better than shit that I've paid others here the same price for. But in the end, it's just one little button. Pretty hard to fuck that up.

          Did he give you a discount for posting this thread?
          No he did not, I'm just ridin the views, spamming the cam proggie a bit

          I think the work is good for the price, ordered a 468 one now.

          gfynicky @ gmail.com

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          • Bojangles
            Confirmed User
            • Apr 2007
            • 5419

            #6
            Looks good to me.

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            • candyflip
              Carpe Visio
              • Jul 2002
              • 43069

              #7
              Originally posted by Nicky
              No he did not, I'm just ridin the views, spamming the cam proggie a bit

              I think the work is good for the price, ordered a 468 one now.
              Be sure to get the discount on the next order.

              Spend you some brain.
              Email Me

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              • Jon Clark - BANNED FOR LIFE
                North Coast Pimp
                • Dec 2005
                • 9395

                #8
                I think it sucks, just like Jon Clark and his shitty design company...

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                • Nicky
                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                  • Mar 2003
                  • 30071

                  #9
                  Originally posted by candyflip
                  Be sure to get the discount on the next order.
                  No worries. I ordered this graphic before tonight though so It really doesn't have anything with the resent threads to do, but It's still nice timing from my side

                  NOW

                  Make bank with high webcam payouts!

                  gfynicky @ gmail.com

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                  • cess
                    Confirmed User
                    • Sep 2006
                    • 2921

                    #10
                    No pun to Jon but the logo was taken off your site so it's not like he designed that (unless he did your site too). It was still worth $15 for animating that text imo...

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                    • majortom
                      Confirmed User
                      • Mar 2004
                      • 477

                      #11
                      15 $ for a animated gif button ????
                      ..Fuck I'm really out of touch with the REAL world.

                      It's basically 1$per minute...15 minutes, it what it takes to "learn gif animator".

                      Really Nicky, you don't have the time to play around for a little while with a software?
                      You rather pay some guy to do it for you? Buy fish instead of learning to fish???

                      I'm not flaming/giving shit to the banner seller or buyer...

                      It's good money goes around and create wealth for everyone...

                      but still 15 $ for a button.....

                      Maybe 15 $ for a "very funny and inspired slogan{Branding} " gif or flash button...
                      Divers Do It Deeper !!!

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                      • Jon Clark - BANNED FOR LIFE
                        North Coast Pimp
                        • Dec 2005
                        • 9395

                        #12
                        Originally posted by cess
                        No pun to Jon but the logo was taken off your site so it's not like he designed that (unless he did your site too). It was still worth $15 for animating that text imo...
                        No, we did not do the logo... And logos are not included with a $15 banner...

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                        • Jon Clark - BANNED FOR LIFE
                          North Coast Pimp
                          • Dec 2005
                          • 9395

                          #13
                          Originally posted by majortom
                          "learn gif animator".
                          :

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                          • Nicky
                            Too lazy to set a custom title
                            • Mar 2003
                            • 30071

                            #14
                            Originally posted by majortom
                            15 $ for a animated gif button ????
                            ..Fuck I'm really out of touch with the REAL world.

                            It's basically 1$per minute...15 minutes, it what it takes to "learn gif animator".

                            Really Nicky, you don't have the time to play around for a little while with a software?
                            You rather pay some guy to do it for you? Buy fish instead of learning to fish???

                            I'm not flaming/giving shit to the banner seller or buyer...

                            It's good money goes around and create wealth for everyone...

                            but still 15 $ for a button.....

                            Maybe 15 $ for a "very funny and inspired slogan{Branding} " gif or flash button...
                            Great, you will be making all my graphics from now on. I guess since this was outrageous I should have paid what? $3? Can I order 10 buttons and 10 full size banners from you? Will $70 be ok?


                            gfynicky @ gmail.com

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                            • tony299
                              lurker
                              • Aug 2002
                              • 57021

                              #15
                              I like it looks good.

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                              • Jon Clark - BANNED FOR LIFE
                                North Coast Pimp
                                • Dec 2005
                                • 9395

                                #16
                                Originally posted by Nicky
                                Great, you will be making all my graphics from now on. I guess since this was outrageous I should have paid what? $3? Can I order 10 buttons and 10 full size banners from you? Will $70 be ok?

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                                • fatfoo
                                  ICQ:649699063
                                  • Mar 2003
                                  • 27763

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by Jon Clark
                                  I think it sucks, just like Jon Clark and his shitty design company...
                                  Did you just say you suck?
                                  Send me an email: [email protected]

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                                  • DickDarkness
                                    Confirmed User
                                    • Mar 2008
                                    • 186

                                    #18
                                    Nice looking banner

                                    That does not suck.

                                    Too bad the guy you bought it from comes off as such a prick sometimes.

                                    Congratulations to the winners

                                    I tell them I'm a pro jock, and who do you think they give me?

                                    The Dalai Lama, himself. Twelfth son of the Lama.
                                    The flowing robes, the grace, bald... striking.

                                    So, I'm on the first tee with him...

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                                    • StarkReality
                                      Confirmed User
                                      • May 2004
                                      • 4444

                                      #19
                                      Looks fine for me and I can't see anything bad with $15 a button.

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                                      • klaze
                                        So Fucking Banned
                                        • May 2008
                                        • 2167

                                        #20
                                        I'm going to go on a limb here and say it's pretty weak.. It looks good because it's simple and has good color.. But the main graphic of the banner was pre-designed for him..

                                        Your site has tons of great graphics on it and all he used was the logo..

                                        He even used a poor choice in font selection also looks like he stretched some fonts out...

                                        Also the animation could be tighter, quicker, more pop.. He's got the text fading in.. the logo doesn't.. it's just not smooth or interesting..

                                        15 minutes would have been too long..

                                        Doesn't really show any skills...
                                        Last edited by klaze; 09-01-2008, 10:41 PM.

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                                        • Antonio
                                          Too lazy to set a custom title
                                          • Oct 2001
                                          • 14136

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by majortom
                                          15 $ for a animated gif button ????
                                          ..Fuck I'm really out of touch with the REAL world.

                                          It's basically 1$per minute...15 minutes, it what it takes to "learn gif animator".

                                          Really Nicky, you don't have the time to play around for a little while with a software?
                                          You rather pay some guy to do it for you? Buy fish instead of learning to fish???

                                          I'm not flaming/giving shit to the banner seller or buyer...

                                          It's good money goes around and create wealth for everyone...

                                          but still 15 $ for a button.....

                                          Maybe 15 $ for a "very funny and inspired slogan{Branding} " gif or flash button...
                                          yup, and if you start breeding cows your steak will be much cheaper too, stick to what you're good at, it took me about 5 hours to make ONE button and that was the last time I played with graphics, on the other hand I can build 100 splogs with 100 posts each in a single day

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                                          • Nicky
                                            Too lazy to set a custom title
                                            • Mar 2003
                                            • 30071

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by klaze
                                            I'm going to go on a limb here and say it's pretty weak.. It looks good because it's simple and has good color.. But the main graphic of the banner was pre-designed for him..

                                            Your site has tons of great graphics on it and all he used was the logo..

                                            He even used a poor choice in font selection also looks like he stretched some fonts out...

                                            Also the animation could be tighter, quicker, more pop..

                                            15 minutes would have been too long..

                                            Definately nothing to be posting to show off or brag or gain some brownie points..
                                            Dont worry mate, these are getting played around with and will have many different styles.

                                            As for the browning or bragging, lmao

                                            gfynicky @ gmail.com

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                                            • pornask
                                              So Fucking Banned
                                              • Aug 2006
                                              • 6518

                                              #23
                                              I think it's a very nice little button. Good work ;)

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                                              • Nicky
                                                Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                • Mar 2003
                                                • 30071

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by Antonio
                                                on the other hand I can build 100 splogs with 100 posts each in a single day
                                                I'll pay you $4,50 for it. hehe

                                                gfynicky @ gmail.com

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                                                • klaze
                                                  So Fucking Banned
                                                  • May 2008
                                                  • 2167

                                                  #25
                                                  He should have copied the style of the 50% and 40% for the banner to add design detail and branding..

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                                                  • Jon Clark - BANNED FOR LIFE
                                                    North Coast Pimp
                                                    • Dec 2005
                                                    • 9395

                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by DickDarkness
                                                    Nice looking banner

                                                    That does not suck.

                                                    Too bad the guy you bought it from comes off as such a prick sometimes.

                                                    Congratulations to the winners
                                                    I am only that way on the board bud...

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                                                    • baddog
                                                      So Fucking Banned
                                                      • Apr 2001
                                                      • 107089

                                                      #27
                                                      I think it was very well done. You are happy with it, it gets the message across, and you are not waiting around on the designer to get the product to you.

                                                      Definitely worth $15.

                                                      As far as majortom's comment is concerned, I have to ask, do you work for less than $1 a minute?

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                                                      • klaze
                                                        So Fucking Banned
                                                        • May 2008
                                                        • 2167

                                                        #28
                                                        Dude why are the graphics on your site saved out as GIFS???

                                                        Even the flash looks low res.. wtf??

                                                        Dude.. yer website would look a hell of a lot better saved out as high quality jpegs..

                                                        Absolutely no reason to save those graphics out so low quality. I use about 90% jpeg for everything..

                                                        GIFs are good for stuff that is low amount of detail and colors and a lot of text.. Makes text look sharp..

                                                        But you are using a lot of gradients and color variants..

                                                        I'd also have your designer clean up the site.. a bunch of lines just don't match up or look clean.. I dunno.. needs tightening up..
                                                        Last edited by klaze; 09-01-2008, 10:51 PM.

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                                                        • Nicky
                                                          Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                          • Mar 2003
                                                          • 30071

                                                          #29
                                                          Urgh, this is not working out, 08:50am and I haven't slept yet. Time to pay the land of dreams a lill visit. Have fun everyone.

                                                          gfynicky @ gmail.com

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                                                          • Nicky
                                                            Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                            • Mar 2003
                                                            • 30071

                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by klaze
                                                            Dude why are the graphics on your site saved out as GIFS???

                                                            Even the flash looks low res.. wtf??

                                                            Dude.. yer website would look a hell of a lot better saved out as high quality jpegs..

                                                            Absolutely no reason to save those graphics out so low quality. I use about 90% jpeg for everything..

                                                            GIFs are good for stuff that is low amount of detail and colors and a lot of text.. Makes text look sharp..

                                                            But you are using a lot of gradients and color variants..
                                                            Let me look into this. But first: Zzzzz

                                                            gfynicky @ gmail.com

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                                                            • klaze
                                                              So Fucking Banned
                                                              • May 2008
                                                              • 2167

                                                              #31
                                                              And I noticed the tire track bg that flanks the sides of the site...

                                                              It's the same pattern GFY uses in it's background haha..

                                                              it's a stock photoshop pattern..

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                                                              • gimo33
                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                • Mar 2006
                                                                • 5599

                                                                #32
                                                                looks good
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                                                                • Jon Clark - BANNED FOR LIFE
                                                                  North Coast Pimp
                                                                  • Dec 2005
                                                                  • 9395

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by klaze
                                                                  And I noticed the tire track bg that flanks the sides of the site...

                                                                  It's the same pattern GFY uses in it's background haha..

                                                                  it's a stock photoshop pattern..
                                                                  lmao, you asked him the other day who did the design, you thought it was bad ass...





                                                                  I am sure who ever designed it used .gif's for the load speed versus heavy jpegs.. I know the owner of VanityCash and he is very particular about load speeds..

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                                                                  • Nicky
                                                                    Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                    • Mar 2003
                                                                    • 30071

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by klaze
                                                                    And I noticed the tire track bg that flanks the sides of the site...

                                                                    It's the same pattern GFY uses in it's background haha..

                                                                    it's a stock photoshop pattern..
                                                                    Yea, does that really matter? Are we playing some kind of error finding game here?

                                                                    now, goodnight
                                                                    Last edited by Nicky; 09-01-2008, 11:03 PM.

                                                                    gfynicky @ gmail.com

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                                                                    • Jon Clark - BANNED FOR LIFE
                                                                      North Coast Pimp
                                                                      • Dec 2005
                                                                      • 9395

                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by Nicky
                                                                      Yea, does that really matter? Are we playing some kind of error finding game here?

                                                                      now, goodnight
                                                                      klaze is just overly stoned... don't pay him any attention... lmao

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                                                                      • NoWhErE
                                                                        Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                        • Sep 2005
                                                                        • 10583

                                                                        #36
                                                                        15$ for that banner is a good price.

                                                                        Anyone who says otherwise obviously doesnt know shit about the biz.


                                                                        If you pay less, you're either a) getting a really shitty design done or b) going to have to wait a damn long time before getting it.


                                                                        For those who say he could have done better... well... lets see you make kickass banners for 15$ a pop. Once you realize it takes you 1 hour to create a really cool banner and that you end up only making 15$ an hour, you'll do exactly as John does, make it straightforward and elegant.



                                                                        and LOL at ppl asking if he created the logo... camon, its 15$ guys...
                                                                        Last edited by NoWhErE; 09-01-2008, 11:12 PM.
                                                                        skype: lordofthecameltoe

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                                                                        • Jon Clark - BANNED FOR LIFE
                                                                          North Coast Pimp
                                                                          • Dec 2005
                                                                          • 9395

                                                                          #37
                                                                          Originally posted by NoWhErE
                                                                          15$ for that banner is a good price.

                                                                          Anyone who says otherwise obviously doesnt know shit about the biz.


                                                                          If you pay less, you're either a) getting a really shitty design done or b) going to have to wait a damn long time before getting it.


                                                                          For those who say he could have done better... well... lets see you make kickass banners for 15$ a pop. Once you realize it takes you 1 hour to create a really cool banner and that you end up only making 15$ an hour, you'll do exactly as John does, make it straightforward and elegant.



                                                                          and LOL at ppl asking if he created the logo... camon, its 15$ guys...

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                                                                          • majortom
                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                            • Mar 2004
                                                                            • 477

                                                                            #38
                                                                            Told you...

                                                                            I got to get in touch with the real world...(see avatar name;)

                                                                            Originally posted by klaze
                                                                            I'm going to go on a limb here and say it's pretty weak.. It looks good because it's simple and has good color.. But the main graphic of the banner was pre-designed for him..

                                                                            Your site has tons of great graphics on it and all he used was the logo..

                                                                            He even used a poor choice in font selection also looks like he stretched some fonts out...

                                                                            Also the animation could be tighter, quicker, more pop.. He's got the text fading in.. the logo doesn't.. it's just not smooth or interesting..

                                                                            15 minutes would have been too long..

                                                                            Doesn't really show any skills...
                                                                            This more what I meant, doesn't show any real (marketing) skills...just a sting of "classic webmasters call"..50% ..etc..

                                                                            No Slogan, nothing out of the ordinary.
                                                                            But As I think of it, it's not the banner designer job, it's the marketing campaign guy job.

                                                                            Fuck, Fuck, Fuck reality hits again...I'm off topic...


                                                                            Originally posted by Antonio
                                                                            yup, and if you start breeding cows your steak will be much cheaper too, stick to what you're good at, it took me about 5 hours to make ONE button and that was the last time I played with graphics, on the other hand I can build 100 splogs with 100 posts each in a single day
                                                                            I wish I could.
                                                                            Yes I get often get trapped (but strangely satisfied) in that kinda experience...
                                                                            I'm a sailor, I like to be able to repair everything myself on my boat.
                                                                            I gotta learn more about the "delegation" thing...

                                                                            Originally posted by Baddog
                                                                            As far as majortom's comment is concerned, I have to ask, do you work for less than $1 a minute?
                                                                            I'm afraid so.

                                                                            And in case you wonder what I'm doing. I own a Fisting BDSM Extreme Sex Paysite.

                                                                            When I was only shooting content, "big sponsor" offered me only 1$/minute of video. I didn't take it. I made my own paysite.

                                                                            I've been in contact with the American way of doing things {time is money} when I was a commercial deep sea diver...but then over 25 years in Asia are gone...And I'm still here.

                                                                            Yes, 15$ is not much in America...Fuck, Fuck, Fuck...I'm going into the outsourcing thing...and I don't know shit...no matter it's GFY and people are kind and understanding.

                                                                            What I wanted to say is that I have, right now, 2 European friends living here, who would gladly make a 100 $ a day to make 10 button and 10 640x70 banners...after I tough them the basics of gif animator. lol

                                                                            Yes, I can here the comments, yep, they cannot cut it in they own country so bla bla..

                                                                            It's not about that..
                                                                            It's more like..here for 15$ I can get a girl for 24 hours....there a banner button....lol

                                                                            Culture shock...over and over again...after each and every beer..
                                                                            Divers Do It Deeper !!!

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                                                                            • Jon Clark - BANNED FOR LIFE
                                                                              North Coast Pimp
                                                                              • Dec 2005
                                                                              • 9395

                                                                              #39
                                                                              Originally posted by majortom
                                                                              Told you...

                                                                              I got to get in touch with the real world...(see avatar name;)



                                                                              This more what I meant, doesn't show any real (marketing) skills...just a sting of "classic webmasters call"..50% ..etc..

                                                                              No Slogan, nothing out of the ordinary.
                                                                              But As I think of it, it's not the banner designer job, it's the marketing campaign guy job.

                                                                              Fuck, Fuck, Fuck reality hits again...I'm off topic...




                                                                              I wish I could.
                                                                              Yes I get often get trapped (but strangely satisfied) in that kinda experience...
                                                                              I'm a sailor, I like to be able to repair everything myself on my boat.
                                                                              I gotta learn more about the "delegation" thing...



                                                                              I'm afraid so.

                                                                              And in case you wonder what I'm doing. I own a Fisting BDSM Extreme Sex Paysite.

                                                                              When I was only shooting content, "big sponsor" offered me only 1$/minute of video. I didn't take it. I made my own paysite.

                                                                              I've been in contact with the American way of doing things {time is money} when I was a commercial deep sea diver...but then over 25 years in Asia are gone...And I'm still here.

                                                                              Yes, 15$ is not much in America...Fuck, Fuck, Fuck...I'm going into the outsourcing thing...and I don't know shit...no matter it's GFY and people are kind and understanding.

                                                                              What I wanted to say is that I have, right now, 2 European friends living here, who would gladly make a 100 $ a day to make 10 button and 10 640x70 banners...after I tough them the basics of gif animator. lol

                                                                              Yes, I can here the comments, yep, they cannot cut it in they own country so bla bla..

                                                                              It's not about that..
                                                                              It's more like..here for 15$ I can get a girl for 24 hours....there a banner button....lol

                                                                              Culture shock...over and over again...after each and every beer..


                                                                              btw, your website sucks ass...

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                                                                              • fluffygrrl
                                                                                So Fucking Banned
                                                                                • May 2006
                                                                                • 2187

                                                                                #40
                                                                                Not bad at all.

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                                                                                • Common Sense
                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                  • Jan 2007
                                                                                  • 183

                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  the banner is ok but i dont see why you would want that. you are running a program man, one that looks pretty nice. why put all that time and money into a program and then go cheap with subpar designs.

                                                                                  hire a real design company and grab some attention. leave the cheap shit for bloggers making a sale a day who cant afford a real design.

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                                                                                  • SmokeyTheBear
                                                                                    ►SouthOfHeaven
                                                                                    • Jun 2004
                                                                                    • 28609

                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    is it worth $15 ? yes i suppose but kind of a waste because you didn't think far enough ahead.

                                                                                    I'm assuming the main reason you bought the banner was to get thread views using jon clarks name and thus some sig views to your program. but you forgot gfy's golden drama rule. More drama = More views = More gold. You bought a cheap banner that is basically worth what you paid for it. No op for drama = less comments = less views = less gold.

                                                                                    You should have overpaid for it and asked him to make you something that looked like a 4 year old did it in paintshop. Then the thread would have been filled with people laughing at jons shoddy overpriced work.
                                                                                    hatisblack at yahoo.com

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                                                                                    • bobby666
                                                                                      boots are my religion
                                                                                      • Nov 2005
                                                                                      • 21765

                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      it looks ok for me

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                                                                                      • JamesK
                                                                                        hi
                                                                                        • Jun 2002
                                                                                        • 16731

                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        Not bad. If you're happy with it, that's really the only thing that matters
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                                                                                        • AdultTrafficMedia
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                                                                                          • Dec 2007
                                                                                          • 155

                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          Nice clean button. Simple but effective animated text. I like it.

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                                                                                          • DamianJ
                                                                                            Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                            • Jul 2006
                                                                                            • 15808

                                                                                            #46
                                                                                            15 bucks is reasonable, but good god guys. The copy is so boring.

                                                                                            Why do most program ads look identical to each other? Do you not want any differentiation?

                                                                                            x$ for life
                                                                                            x%
                                                                                            great promo tools
                                                                                            x% WM ref

                                                                                            Yawn...

                                                                                            Do something creative for a change.

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                                                                                            • Fatdog
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                                                                                              • Feb 2006
                                                                                              • 350

                                                                                              #47
                                                                                              looks good for $15

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                                                                                              • Robbie
                                                                                                Leaner, Meaner, Faster
                                                                                                • Aug 2002
                                                                                                • 20960

                                                                                                #48
                                                                                                Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear
                                                                                                More drama = More views = More gold.
                                                                                                Do people really use a message board as a business model? How many "views" will make all that "gold" on a message board? 2,000? 3,000? A good traffic site would get that in a few minutes. This is just a message board guys. Supposedly for other webmasters, but now filled with surfer trolls. And I doubt the trolls who sit here trying to learn our business vocabulary and making broad comments on the "industry" are ever gonna buy a membership to anything.
                                                                                                -Robbie
                                                                                                ClaudiaMarie.Com

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                                                                                                • tranza
                                                                                                  ICQ: 197-556-237
                                                                                                  • Jun 2003
                                                                                                  • 57559

                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                  Clean and nice...I liked it!
                                                                                                  I'm just a newbie.

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                                                                                                  • Spunky
                                                                                                    I need a beer
                                                                                                    • Jun 2002
                                                                                                    • 133986

                                                                                                    #50
                                                                                                    Not bad for 15 bucks

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