Tube site owners, STEP INSIDE>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>

[Jon Clark - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Ok, we will need your help and cooperation if we are to win this battle... I need each tube site owner to monitor there sites for illegal uploads....

We are going to build a program and database to help with this... We will be gathering information on all illegal uploaders....

Also... You guys are going to start requesting DMCA's from content owners... Yup, you will start to request them.. There is nothing in the law that says you can't... I am going to get the content producers together to set up a system to where you just have to push a button and you receive a DMCA via email, then you can legally take the video down right away with out waiting.... But you will keep the surfer active..


I know the above seems to much like work, but it is not, there is ways to make it easy and efficient... Once we get this all in place it will run smooth and we will get a handle on this BS going on...

[sortie]

Lurking here.

[Iron Fist]

How about if you don't take uploads at all?

Problem Solved!

[klaze]

Jon Clark just doesn't get it.

[TheDoc]

Gather all the info you want on illegal uploaders, you can only do something about it in the U.S., try gathering that shit and going after private people in Canada, good f'in luck.

Do you have any idea what type of program/database it would take to archive even 5% of this industries content? Clearly not.

Any idea how you will manage that content, because I see what a VoD company has to go through and well... multi millions in just servers, I don't think you understand the scale of even 1% of this.

[TheDoc]

BTW, we already have some great companies that you can hire to do this for you, from what I gather they actually do a decent job at it. I don't remember the names of the service. They of course charge you because this wouldn't be possible to do on donations alone.

[Zorgman]

These illegal tube owners take "submissions" as anonymouse because 90% of the time it's them that are uploading it. Look at Redtube " submitted by Redtube A ". There not going to give you information on themselves.

[Jon Clark - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Originally Posted by sharphead

How about if you don't take uploads at all?

Problem Solved!

Nope, because then you must have 2257 docs on all the content.... Pay attention to the laws!

[TheDoc]

Originally Posted by Jon Clark

Nope, because then you must have 2257 docs on all the content.... Pay attention to the laws!

Wouldn't that depend on what country and within the U.S. the state your company is within?

[sortie]

Originally Posted by Jon Clark

Nope, because then you must have 2257 docs on all the content.... Pay attention to the laws!

2257 hit big road blocks and is probably a non-issue in reality for most webmasters that
don't actually produce porn.

[»Rob Content«]

2257 and tubes don't really mesh, and 95% of tube sites that are illegal are not USA based, so 2257 does not apply to them.

2ish years ago when I was going after tubes hardcore I dealt with some large lawyers and had extensive conversations with the FBI and they had zero interest in 2257 laws as it applied to sites like that.

They want to take down the big producers, nothing more then that.

The main tube sites, megarotic, redtube, and etc the large ones mainly do all of the uploads of stolen content them self. I know of a few that has in house staff that just does that as a full time job. Going after the end users is going to be a road to no where. We already looked into this ages ago with Airek and the anti piracy group, all roads lead to no where.

There are ways to fight it, but this is not the way.

Legals battles of this stature if you actually get it to court, and IF one day you win won't do much. Sure you "could" get a judgment against the pirate, but good luck collecting anything. The MAIN reason and I know this from fact in discussions with a lot of the top companies out there they don't go the legal route as it just would cost hundreds of thousands of dollars and have no significant return.

I also know for fact from one of the largest programs here during a discussion with them said in their research it would cost 350k just to get set up to get into court.. Then the real money comes into play. The cost of an actual legal team to fight the battle in court for months would far surpass that, and the end result would not really have an financial gain.

[»Rob Content«]

Let me add to this that most people in this industry the only thing they really care about is making money, how to make more, not how to push more out the door.

Two of the largest traffic brokers in Drinkinghard and Choker both sell tube traffic and deal with tube sites. And guess what, people are buying the crap out of it. And guess who those people are, the same programs who have tons of stolen content. There is no battle to be fought.

Plus, a lot of the main DVD studios in Los Angeles since DVD sales have slowed down are not blowing out their DVD's to anyone for any use. Lots of tube sites now purchase content in full length scenes to add to their sites. I know as I get hit up every 2-3 days from an owner after signing a NDA they break down what they do.

A lot of them are buying their own content and pushing in into the sites, makes it nearly impossible to police, when you look at a scene how do you know if they own the rights or not?

Nearly impossible...

Plus, there are services out there like removeyourcontent.com that work really well and have a lot of clients who are very happy with the results. A lot easier to pay someone pennies to remove it and have a rather decent turnout from the money spent. Taking down half of it at a low cost over going the legal route makes a lot of sense.

[Holly]

Originally Posted by Jon Clark

Ok, we will need your help and cooperation if we are to win this battle... I need each tube site owner to monitor there sites for illegal uploads....

We are going to build a program and database to help with this... We will be gathering information on all illegal uploaders....

Also... You guys are going to start requesting DMCA's from content owners... Yup, you will start to request them.. There is nothing in the law that says you can't... I am going to get the content producers together to set up a system to where you just have to push a button and you receive a DMCA via email, then you can legally take the video down right away with out waiting.... But you will keep the surfer active..


I know the above seems to much like work, but it is not, there is ways to make it easy and efficient... Once we get this all in place it will run smooth and we will get a handle on this BS going on...

You don't have a mastery of basic second grade English, but you're going to eradicate illegal content uploads and bring tube sites to their knees?

I am not convinced.

[TyroneGoldberg]

Oh. You're serious.

[Fresh]

Originally Posted by sharphead

How about if you don't take uploads at all?

Problem Solved!

We dont take uploads from end users to our tube site www.Gutter.com. Only content coming in is from qualified sponsors and content providers with full 2257. Problem solved.

If you're looking for a 100&#37; legal and 2257 compliant tube site to promote, join www.TubeClicks.com - The First Multi-Sponsor Tube Affiliate Program </shameless plug>

[candyflip]

Thanks for the continued entertainment.

[»Rob Content«]

Originally Posted by Holly

You don't have a mastery of basic second grade English, but you're going to eradicate illegal content uploads and bring tube sites to their knees?

I am not convinced.

Holly remember he was the first person on the net to monetize tube traffic and turn a profit from it.

[Holly]

Originally Posted by VG.Content

Holly remember he was the first person on the net to monetize tube traffic and turn a profit from it.

How very Al Gore of him.

I had no idea I was in the presence of the master. I apologize.

[»Rob Content«]

Originally Posted by Holly

How very Al Gore of him.

I had no idea I was in the presence of the master. I apologize.

Yeah if he was the first to make a profit from them and taught megarotic, and others how to make money, then he can most deff take them down.

[vod]

Originally Posted by sharphead

How about if you don't take uploads at all?

Problem Solved!

closed networks work best ;

[»Rob Content«]

Originally Posted by candyflip

Thanks for the continued entertainment.

[Sausage]

I run http://www.wanktube.com ... the last thing I want is stolen content on my site! We limit uploads to certian sizes and the traffic really does produce sales for wm's. We actually try to keep it fairly wm friendly too unlike 99&#37; of tubes.

Though still get DCMA's for content idiots upload without permission, and while its possible to police most content its not possible to police everything. I am really interested in any solution which will keep stolen content off our site because its not only a pain in the ass to have to deal with, its creating more work for me! Wanktube.com is >>This<< close to going partner submit only because we dont want the risk of stolen content ... and because its not worth the possible legal issues.

I am so sick of wankers who upload stolen shit ... Its a pain in the ass to us guys who are trying to do this legally and legit. Looking for any solutions to block illegal content at the moment ! There are so many good sponsors offering totally legit tube content that tubes simply dont need to take stolen content uploads anymore (unless they are the idiots taking 20 min clips).


...

Btw VGContent ... you have another thread you might want to take a look at on that other board you used to frequent.

[Agent 488]

[Jon Clark - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Originally Posted by Sausage

I run http://www.wanktube.com ... the last thing I want is stolen content on my site! We limit uploads to certian sizes and the traffic really does produce sales for wm's. We actually try to keep it fairly wm friendly too unlike 99% of tubes.

Though still get DCMA's for content idiots upload without permission, and while its possible to police most content its not possible to police everything. I am really interested in any solution which will keep stolen content off our site because its not only a pain in the ass to have to deal with, its creating more work for me! Wanktube.com is >>This<< close to going partner submit only because we dont want the risk of stolen content ... and because its not worth the possible legal issues.

I am so sick of wankers who upload stolen shit ... Its a pain in the ass to us guys who are trying to do this legally and legit. Looking for any solutions to block illegal content at the moment ! There are so many good sponsors offering totally legit tube content that tubes simply dont need to take stolen content uploads anymore (unless they are the idiots taking 20 min clips).
.

:thum bsup

Thanks for making me feel better honestly... Finally someone who is honest in this new time in our industry and tries hard to stay honest...


Everyone else just don't seem to give a fuck anymore..

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by sharphead

How about if you don't take uploads at all?

Problem Solved!

[Nubiles]

Focus on building your own legit tube traffic. Not much can be done legally about the others. Check out Nubiles Tube Script (Free), or Tevs or the new smart thumbs one. All setup for legit webmaster content.

[WarChild]

I've considered your proposal carefully and decided that you can go fuck yourself instead.

Thanks for playing though.

[Jon Clark - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Originally Posted by WarChild

I've considered your proposal carefully and decided that you can go fuck yourself instead.

Thanks for playing though.

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by WarChild

I've considered your proposal carefully and decided that you can go fuck yourself instead.

[YellowDude]

What when the server is outside de US ?

[»Rob Content«]

Originally Posted by YellowDude

What when the server is outside de US ?

I'm not sure if this is serious or not. I've brought valid points and questions to his multiple threads and they have gone without reply.

But, if someone saying something stupid Jon Replies....

[Pleasurepays]

[candyflip]

Originally Posted by VG.Content

I'm not sure if this is serious or not. I've brought valid points and questions to his multiple threads and they have gone without reply.

But, if someone saying something stupid Jon Replies....

You know it's because he's just talking a big game to try and fit in. It's all talk. Nothing will ever come from this...nothing.

[»Rob Content«]

Originally Posted by candyflip

You know it's because he's just talking a big game to try and fit in. It's all talk. Nothing will ever come from this...nothing.

We both know it, but why make a bunch of threads, say you have it all together, but then when people who have actually put in a serious amount of time into what you want to do it goes ignored....

[Pleasurepays]

Originally Posted by VG.Content

We both know it, but why make a bunch of threads, say you have it all together, but then when people who have actually put in a serious amount of time into what you want to do it goes ignored....

well.... he's dropped more than a few hints.

he's launching an affiliate program and some paysites (should be the best comedy yet). so.... what to do? how do you get everyones attention? how do you market your program with no money and no friends???

crusade to save the adult industry perhaps!?

[»Rob Content«]

Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

well.... he's dropped more than a few hints.

he's launching an affiliate program and some paysites (should be the best comedy yet). so.... what to do? how do you get everyones attention? how do you market your program with no money and no friends???

crusade to save the adult industry perhaps!?

His program is launched man.

apcash.com



And how you been, we need to catch up on icq.

[fatfoo]

who the hell is Jon Clark

[Jon Clark - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Originally Posted by VG.Content

We both know it, but why make a bunch of threads, say you have it all together, but then when people who have actually put in a serious amount of time into what you want to do it goes ignored....

You are just trolling and you know it... I have not ignored anyone that wants to get involved...

[Jon Clark - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Originally Posted by Pleasurepays

well.... he's dropped more than a few hints.

he's launching an affiliate program and some paysites (should be the best comedy yet). so.... what to do? how do you get everyones attention? how do you market your program with no money and no friends???

crusade to save the adult industry perhaps!?

perhaps

[Jon Clark - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Originally Posted by VG.Content

I've brought valid points and questions to his multiple threads and they have gone without reply.

You are just trolling...

You have done nothing but give your opinion of why this fight can not be won..

[candyflip]

Originally Posted by Jon Clark

You are just trolling...

You have done nothing but give your opinion of why this fight can not be won..

I'd be willing to bet he's spent more time doing actual research and legwork then you have. He's more qualified to give his opinion than you are to head up anything of this nature.

Again, thanks for providing some of us here with a good laugh (or 100).

[Jon Clark - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Originally Posted by candyflip

I'd be willing to bet he's spent more time doing actual research and legwork then you have. He's more qualified to give his opinion than you are to head up anything of this nature.

Again, thanks for providing some of us here with a good laugh (or 100).

Your welcome...

btw, Rob and I have done business and have a history, he is more then welcome to troll me... The difference between you and him is I actually pay attention to his trolling and I laugh at yours..




Don't you guys love the trolls..?

[»Rob Content«]

How am I trolling when I am giving actual advice on what you want to do?

A troll is someone who just talks random shit without a clue in what they are saying.

I've explained why what you want to do is not going to work, and you've offered nothing back, but calling me a troll.

I know personally all the people who would get involved considering I spent over a year working on this, and 6 solid months without turning a dime taking sites out which I did. I worked with CCbill, segpay, and other billers and made changes brought results.

I worked with Airek to set up the anti piracy group.

I've worked with some of the top internet lawyers like jeffery douglas and others on ideas and solutions. I've spoken to 2 separate people from the FBI on what can be done.

But, yeah i'm just a troll

[»Rob Content«]

I also gave you a lot of vital info on what you want to do, but instead of asking to hear more of my research you call me a troll.

Are you sure you are REALLY trying to do something?

And do tell us, since you were the first person online to monetize tube sites, which tube sites were these?

[Fletch XXX]

Originally Posted by candyflip

Thanks for the continued entertainment.

^ SCAMMER ALERT ^^

candyflip aka jason Berardi is a known scammer, do a search for his name on GFY before doing business with him.

[candyflip]

Originally Posted by Jon Clark

Your welcome...

btw, Rob and I have done business and have a history, he is more then welcome to troll me... The difference between you and him is I actually pay attention to his trolling and I laugh at yours..




Don't you guys love the trolls..?

I posted this elsewhere, but it fits here too:

Yeah, the guys who've been in the business working full time for almost 10 years are the idiots and trolls, but the guy claiming to have "saved the adult internet" and "was the first to monetize the tubes", who resells some outsourced designs, and runs a couple of shitty ass paysites isn't.

Give it up dude.

[Jon Clark - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Originally Posted by VG.Content

How am I trolling when I am giving actual advice on what you want to do?

A troll is someone who just talks random shit without a clue in what they are saying.

I've explained why what you want to do is not going to work, and you've offered nothing back, but calling me a troll.

I know personally all the people who would get involved considering I spent over a year working on this, and 6 solid months without turning a dime taking sites out which I did. I worked with CCbill, segpay, and other billers and made changes brought results.

I worked with Airek to set up the anti piracy group.

I've worked with some of the top internet lawyers like jeffery douglas and others on ideas and solutions. I've spoken to 2 separate people from the FBI on what can be done.

But, yeah i'm just a troll

Look man.. I am just having fun with you... I agree you have valuable info to offer, and I didn't know about the work you have put in, and I really commend you for that.. But at the same time?.

You do tend to show up where ever I am and shoot down what ever I say.... But you are not trolling me right...

Joining sides with known scammers like candyflip telling me why the fight can?t be won?








If I am so insignificant as some of you seem to believe and preach everywhere... Why the fuck do you run around here behind me doing it...?

[Jon Clark - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Originally Posted by candyflip

I posted this elsewhere, but it fits here too:

Yeah, the guys who've been in the business working full time for almost 10 years are the idiots and trolls, but the guy claiming to have "saved the adult internet" and "was the first to monetize the tubes", who resells some outsourced designs, and runs a couple of shitty ass paysites isn't.

Give it up dude.

You can't be talking too me.. Can't be....


What are you gonning to say the day we are at the same place at the same time... And no, I will not trade a blow job for your ass... WHat are you going to say..?


You are a two faced, proven theif and scammer... DO you really think you are doing something cool here talking shit to me..?


You are a fucking idiot!

[CyberHustler]

Anybody else smell smegma?

[Jon Clark - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Originally Posted by VG.Content

I also gave you a lot of vital info on what you want to do, but instead of asking to hear more of my research you call me a troll.

Are you sure you are REALLY trying to do something?

And do tell us, since you were the first person online to monetize tube sites, which tube sites were these?

What I am trying to do is get people motivated and orginized... Fired up!

I am the first person to put a video on watermarked video on youtube that I know of..


















Sorry I called you a troll Rob... Do you forgive me..?