So you want to know what the fucking plan is....? Get in here to find the fuck out!

What? Theres nothing wrong with having someone create videos approved by you. I have a few sponsors who clearly know what site I run and where to find their videos, and they are already pre-negotiated lengths, none over 3 minutes anywhere on the site.

But you saying that surfers don't download or you saying that webmasters who have promo logins are the ones guilty, well, I don't think it's as easy as you make it sound.

What really is needed to nail this issue down is watermarked content that is unique to the login, you find it somewhere else, you know what login distributed it. MPAA has a similar type of thing going with their screener DVDs. Every once in awhile a number will flash on the screen thats embedded into that copy of the video, the number is tracked back to the distributer, if copies are made, well regardless of why it was copied, that distributer is facing some huge fines or losing his license to sell or rent movies.

Now why hasn't the adult industry done the same thing? Created some sort of watermarked content including videos thats unique and encoded to the login? Right there you'll instantly know if it's your surfers or webmasters...

Just a thought...

Laziness?

PeerGuardian - that is all.

How exactly are you going to sue surfers?

I seriously do not understand this statement - how is 'giving more and more away' considered 'stepping up your game'

we are merchants - selling a product

this is NOT a slur - but some people here keep saying what you say - and adapt or die - and other quips...

but no one explains how, when we are ALL 'stepping up our game and giving terrabytes of freebies away' - that we will be making money (after of course the user figures out that the dating sites are mostly fake profiles)

please - explain how all of us stepping up our game in this way helps us at all?

They ain't, this is pissing in the wind late night type shit by people scrambling to find an answer.

I'm not gonna tell you how to step up your game, you either know or you don't. Fuck the tubes, fucking innovate over that shit. It's all chess after all, just work out the rubiks cube, solve the problem through deep thought and seperate your mind from what you know and the rules and things you have become accustomed to, that's all I have to say on that matter.

good question (as if surfers are the problem)

and once word gets out that porn sites are gathering information on thier visitors so they can be sued and/or reported to the feds for 2257 violations, our traffic is gonna go through the roof.

i think what some of us are saying is that pandoras box has been opened and now it cant be shut..

look at p2p and torrents.. a few were shut down but someone else just popped up and replaced them..

so, people can either deal with the fact that the business has changed and try to figure out ways to compete or they can find another industry...

even tubes are going to suffer a decline in revenue over time because when 1000 tube sites are all promoting cams and dating, the signups are going to be spread out over all those tube sites...

Who the fuck are you talking to..?


I have a whole affiliate program built and ready for launch... All the paysites are in tube format... Been working on it for a couple of years now.. Right now the members areas stream 720x480 hd... When I finally launch after I am done saving the industry for the second time.... I will be streaming 1080... And I am still the only one that knows how to do it.. I told a few people 5-6 months ago how to do 720.. You are starting to finally see it hit...

I know what the fuck is going on...

But adapting does not mean you have to fuck everyone...!

while I applaud your efforts I think you are going to do nothing but waste your time and money. Here is why:

1. The RIAA has sued over 17,000 different people for illegally sharing music. They have won big judgments against some of these people yet music trading is stronger than ever. How many lawsuits are you personally willing to finance? 10, 100, 1000 or more? If the powerful RIAA can't stop people from doing this type of stuff, I doubt a few angry webmasters can.

2. You are not the FBI so you can't throw anyone in jail for 2257 violations. I have said all along many of the tube sites are in full violation of the 2257 laws, but it seems they don't care. And even if you were to turn these uploaders into the FBI they didn't produce the movie and they aren't publishing it on their website the are simply uploading it to someone's website so I have a feeling they would not be required to have 2257 docs.

I think going after the surfers is going to only waste your time and money and get you nowhere. If it were me I would start at the head of the dragon, not at its tail. Go after a few smaller tube sites that have illegal content on them and send a message. If you win you can build momentum and use that to go after the larger ones.

Just my 2 cents

They don't have an answer that's why you get vague terms.

Easy... Take them to court organized by jurisdiction? We will spend months building databases and evidence and take huge groups from the same state or country to court all at the same time...




I think after we do it a few times things will change!


It will be all over media? And people will get scared to fuck around and go back to simple buying porn!

This is different than p2p and torrents IMO though.

Torrents suck for movie producers, but the quality of product you get on those sites is drastically different than the big screen experience, or even a blu-ray dvd experience.
Movies are coming out today that are breaking all time records for ticket sales......and music industry revenue is at an all time high as well.

The tube sites....as they relate to the porn business....are offering the exact same fare as porn paysites, in terms of quality, quantity, and even ease of use in alot of cases.
A friend of mine was over here the other night, he told me that ever since the tube sites came onto the scene he stopped buying porn.
This is a guy who always had a password to one or two sites at a time as far back as I can remember....and now there's so much free stuff available he doesn't need to pay for anything anymore.

ok.. let me clarify. what i meant was that the MPAA and RIAA are huge and have very deep pockets and if they cant stop freeloaders, how can one expect to stop illegal porn tubes..

i agree with you that tubes pose a bigger threat to porn than mainstream.. it seems that the surfer is willing to take less quality for free rather than paying for high quality content..