the problem is the hardware. Even if Google's OS is good the hardware doesn't compare to the iphone (i'm not an iphone lover). Example, the iphone touch screen is 10times better than any touch screen that is out. the HTC Dream which will be using the Google OS still uses the old standard touch screen that all HTC phones uses.

Sorry I hate to admit but Apple has any new phone beat, and the #1 reason is cause Apple controls everything Hardware and Software...

So no iphone killer here, unless Google designs a phone themselves with bad ass hardware, touch screen, software, and marketing behind it.

Don't fuck with my IPhone

are you serious, watch that video again and then look at the iphone... the gui on the android SUCKS! yeah it in beta/testing but its nothing to ooooo about windows mobile has all those features already. they're pretty much rebuilding windows mobile but making it open source. the iphone os, is built for touch... at this point google's os is just hype. I'm not hating on them i'm just being realistic. I don't see why anyone would choose Googles OS over windows mobile (which you can create your own apps for too) or apples iphone.

HTC will make a phone for anyone, so its not like Googles getting a bad ass sleek looking design they're getting the HTC Dream. They should of made a deal with LG, which makes sleek iphone style phones.

Its just a free OS unless they get a Google Phone and market it like Apple

the difference is the power google can put into it.
they can provide much more content than everybody else can, provide more services anybody else can and have more market power than anybody else .... if they really want to, i assume they could just kill the iPhone ... or just buy the whole company ;-)

Who gets to be Go'uld?

Google might as well call it "The Zune Phone". It'll be popular with an extremely small crowd.

Again, it's not just Google here. It's a large consortium of companies. HTC and LG included. There were be MANY phones running this OS, not just one Google branded handset.

As for the Android interface, it's completely "skinnable", just like WinMo. I'm sure there will be a number of GUIs for Android, just as there are for the Windows phones.

I'm really surprised how many webmasters don't understand the concept of open source.

Definitly curious to see where this goes.

That and they can't seem to read and comprehend either. :1orglaugh

Not sure of at right this moment but when I bought the iPhone it was the only one with real internet in that it did not get the mobile version of every site. You see the real google with adwords etc.

The key to the iPhone is that it is EASY. I had a Garmin, iPod and Razr. Now I have an iPhone. And it looks like I have a gameboy now too. Think how nuts that is. Add in that it is a almost a weak laptop for me and I have to say I love my iPhone. Do others do all this? Maybe but do they do it easy and why didn't they tell us they did all this?

LG and Samsung both tried and have failed at it

My HTC running WinMo 6.1 already does more than the iPhone can at this point. I can run Tom Tom, Garmin or any number of GPS programs. I can run emulators and play all the games, it's even got a huge library of games already. It might not have the storage capacity, but I can play all my MP3s and pretty much any video files. There's also a browser that uses the same Webkit functionality that the Safari browser for iPhone uses, AND it can play flash from within the browser...something the iPhone can't do. Hell, like I said...I've even made my GUI look and operate EXACTLY like the interface on the iPhone. Plus I can easily send pics and video, I still don't think the iPhone can even do those simple things without additional App support.

I really have no issue with the iPhone other than it being ATT only here in the US. Why neglect 70+% of the US Cellphone market? In the end, that will be their downfall. I believe it's still an ATT exclusive for a few more years.

I guess you didn't read either. LG and Samsung are both contributing partners on the Android project.

They can TRY, but it won't be easy to replace iPhone.

Yeah, at the moment I'm a huge fan of apple and recommend the phone to anyone and their mothers. We'll see if Google has a competitive answer in a few months :winkwink:

Not sure where the disconnect is then. Did it do all of that right out of the box or did you have to screw around with it? I do not live in the US but I am here every month, and I have never heard of the HTC.

I see the consortium list but can't you say the same for 75% of that list on a Dell computer? Most of that list is just chip sellers who will make them for anyone who can pay or do volume. Google is trying to take point on this. It is being marketed as their phone.

Yep, does that all out of the box. Sprint, T-Mobile and Verizone (maybe ATT too) all carry and market HTC phones.

Here's the Sprint Touch, you've probably seen them...just haven't heard of the company:

http://www.internet-tools.co.uk/blog.../htc-touch.jpg

Google is marketing at least 1 phone. I doubt it will have parts from HTC, LG and Motorola phones. These companies have a stake in this consortium so that they can use this OS on their hardware too. It's not tied to one single "Google Phone".

HTC makes some kickass phones - http://www.htc.com/www/default.aspx

The Android GUI is horrible. No multitouch?

And the first device will be that HTC one which is about 3 times as thick, bigger and has a smaller screen.

I predict that android will be the free cheap generic symbian.

It is not a comparable thing to the iPhone, certainly not an iPhone killer.

I got the iphone 3g. its ok but not as great as I thought. The 3G network sucks. Its fucking slow.
And theres no calling features. Cant block a phone number or forward a specific number like every other phone does.
Really pissed me off, I was trying to block someone and Apple said I cant

Once again, it's an OS that will be open source and able to be used by cellphone makers. It's not hardware, it's software. Google will be marketing a phone, but it won't be the only phone.

Is that really to difficult a concept to grasp?

Really? Got a link about that? I thought they were making the software only. I didn't realise they would be actually selling a physical Google-branded phone.

How does the hardware alter the GUI? (aside from different screen resolutions, obv).

I guess it's safe to say you didn't read the first post in the thread? :winkwink:

http://www.xbiz.com/news/98061

I'm not sure what you're asking here.

I guess you didn't read it:

"In any event, online reports agree that the new phone will reach stores in time for the holidays, and that T-Mobile"

Yes, a Google branded model will be available on T-Mobile by the end of the year. I didn't say anything to debate that. The OS is already out in the wild (in beta form), I can run it from SD card right now.

Sounds like alot of work just to get a phone to work as the iphone does out of the box. I bet you build your own PCs too, right? Not me, I just use a Mac.

It's really simple. I said this:

"The Android GUI is horrible. No multitouch?"

You then snarkily posted this:

"Once again, it's an OS that will be open source and able to be used by cellphone makers. It's not hardware, it's software. Google will be marketing a phone, but it won't be the only phone.

Is that really to difficult a concept to grasp?"

I then snarkily asked you how different handsets would alter the GUI.

All I was talking about was the GUI (semantically, yes I mentioned the first HTC handset that will be running it, but that was an aside).

So my question was aimed to point out to you your initial snark was misplaced.

Nope, I'm actually probably one of the bigger Mac fanboys here. Imagine that. I'm sitting in our office right now surrounded by a few iMacs, Mac Pro, Macbook Pro, Macbook, AppleTV, multiple iPods...I even have an old Newton from back in the day.

And the WinMo phones do everything I mentioned right out of the box. Though, I can hack it up and there's pretty much nothing the iPhone can do that it can't do...again, right out of the box.

Got a link about that, I didn't know google were releasing a physical product branded with Google?

The previous link you posted states T-Mobile will be releasing a phone using the Android OS. Doesn't mention anything about a branded google handset being made by Google. Unless I missed that bit?

Looks to me like Google made the OS, T-Mobile will be the carrier and HTC are making the hardware.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-100....html?hhTest=1

No?

It wasn't directly right at you, it was more of a general statement. There were a bunch of people before you that seem to be a bit more misinformed or were just chiming in to hear themselves speak, so to speak. As you can see from the posts in the thread, people seem to think that we're going to see one phone running this that is going to go head to head with the iPhone. The media is calling this the "iphone killer", not any of the companies involved with the project. We've got WinMo, we've got OSXMo and this is basically LinuxMo. You might understand that, but it doesn't look like that is sinking in with a few others.

Ah, I thought on the internet when you QUOTE someone in your post and then reply, that is usually considered a direct response to that person.

I didn't get the memo from the interwebs that standard had been altered. My bad.

I'd have to dig around a bit, but they've even had photos of the prototype with the Google logo, and referred to by the media as the gPhone...though I doubt they'll call any of them by that name.

The Android OS will be seen on HTC, Motorola, Samsung and LG phones at some point in time and will be carried by Sprint and T-Mobile here in the States. The one they are referring to in the article is just going to be the first of many. On top of that, it will be installable on a big list of phones from those same manufacturers. You can already load it on pretty much any HTC phone thanks to the HTC hackers out there.

No sweat. :winkwink::1orglaugh

Ah, you state as fact that Google will be releasing a branded phone (and this news is on no other tech website I can find) because you saw a mock up once.

Riiiight.

That mac tablet is round the corner too.

;)

Why couldn't it be very competitive with the Iphone? As somebody who is strictly utilitarian, if Google puts out a better product at a better price, I'm getting that over the Iphone.

Did you not watch the movie?

If you have used an iPhone and watch that movie, you will realise the answer to your question. It's just not as good!

I predict Android will be the 'free' OS on 'free' handsets. Those that want to pay to have the (subjectively) best mobile phone/computing experience will select an iPhone. Those that want to have a free phone that is OK will chose alternatives. Weirdos will chose Windows Mobile.

:)

There has been no official announcement, but plenty of talk. While it's not set in stone (yet), it's very likely.

http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/19/s...ter-this-year/

And don't rule out the Mac tablet yet, I think you can already buy a modded Macbook tablet from a third party. Can't recall the company, but I know someone is marketing it.

People love the iPhone because of it's operating system, overall.

Say what you want, but it's the same reason more and more people are moving over to their line of computers to...the operating system.

AND while open source is cool and all, the reason why Apple has such a hold over the market is because they realize they have such an amazing thing with their operating system and they decide to only put it on their phones, their computers, etc.

They make a quality product and make people come to THEM and them alone to get it.

Right. So I was taking issue with you stating as fact it was happening. When it isn't a fact at all. It's not even a rumour really. It was bloody Robert Bloody Cringely. The least reliable tech journo in Christendom. And that was from February.

Yes you can buy one. It's called the ModBook.

But how does that equate to apple releasing one themselves exactly?

Hang on, lemme go find a mock up for you, then you can post saying they are releasing one.

:P