150 Faceless, nameless keyboard warrior ninjas

I have submitted your members videos to red tube and others, as well as put the pw on forums that auto grab your content from your member areas, then auto submit them to tubes. Should take less than 48 hours to have your entire site pirated, and at least 2 videos on Redtube.

Care that Choopa hosts them now?

You talkin' to me? Good luck with that!

You should ask who I am :) Then think about what you just said again.

I'll tell you who you are. You're a guy who is threatening my site. That's all that matters to me. Why you would do that...I don't know. BUT, I'll wait and see.

Oh and I'm a threat? But hosting on Choopa - that hosts RedTube, that won't listen to your DCMA notices isn't a threat at all. You are "supporting" piracy, but giving the people that support it more money to host them.

All I'm doing is being a Webmaster, trying to make a dime, doing what I do to drive in traffic. I didn't read your terms, so I assume it's okay to promote on pirated sources since you host at Choopa, duh.

I went back and checked your terms, just to be safe, I hate doing work I don't get paid on.

First, you say what types of traffic you don't want, I won't send you newsgroup traffic then. Tubes/torrent pops should be fine? You also state "We do not accept any responsibility for your content." - Sweet, so you don't care it's on a pirated site.

See, I didn't make a threat, I'm just being a Webmaster following your rules.

Think of this, I'm supporting you - by pushing you, you earn more money, to pay the host, that supports piracy. So I'm with you on this man, all the way, to the death, like brothers!

Look TheDoc. Do whatever you think you must to hurt me for whatever reasons you think you must do that. I have already stated that I host with Choopa and did so back in Nov. of 2006. I didn't know about tubes at that time. I do now. It pisses me off. I have taken steps to stop tubes from stealing my shit. I now know what redtube is. Am I going to pull out right now? No! I'm in the middle of moving from the east coast to Vegas. No way am I going to start something like that. Not gonna happen. Why you want to come at me...again I don't know.

I guess you are going to teach me a lesson and force me to change hosting companies. So be it. I'm kinda old and slow though.

Whoah..."my rules"? Are you somehow saying that since I'm hosted on Choopa that I run the joint? Holy fuck...

That's all I wanted to hear, I'm done.

The program rules from the paysite in your sig, not choopa.

Oh okay...I thought you had nailed me to another cross. :1orglaugh:1orglaugh
Fuck, I can't win for losing. Either I get a guy I respect like TheDoc slamming me or I get klaze assfucking me.

Just gonna be one of those days I guess.

And klaze if you're reading this...notice I didn't attack TheDoc in anyway. I know who he is. He has every right to hang me by the balls and smack me around a bit. That was all I was saying to you. If I knew you were in this business, I would treat you with respect too. That was the only reason I asked you who you were. No fucking need for you to try and whip my ass on a keyboard.

I don't want to sound like a hippie but "think globally, act locally" - even if it's in this narrow vertical of adult..... vote with your wallet as much as you feel comfortable with, whether it's with your host, sponsors or otherwise. Everyone has different opinions of what is right, wrong and where to draw lines.... and that's OK, we all have different beliefs, we're supposed to.

There are basically less than 15 companies which host 90% of everything adult. Of these companies, adult content/clients make up 90% or more of their revenue. When I count the list of companies that I consider myself truly competing against for equivalent service I can do so on one hand.

Companies like ours that focus on adult are built for volumes of bandwidth. So, contrary to popular opinion there aren't 150,000 other hosts - not even a few hundred - that such large traffic sites *truly* have to choose from.

If you think "it doesn't matter" or "don't punish the host" well fuck, yes, that's how we effectively make no change on the status quo. That's like recommending not to ever vote because it won't make a diffference. Unfortunately, because so many people don't care or actually buy into that very little gets done.

If the short list of adult hosts who cater to adult stopped hosting tube sites with stolen content they would have few options on where to turn. Argue until you are blue in the face, I believe it's true. This problem is much simpler than everyone makes it out to be. It's not an infinite hosting world, not even close.

Another analogy... if I was elected in a farming community in rural Nebraska how well would I be serving my constituents (spelling) if I voted to eliminate farm subsidies? They put me in office, they pay my bills, they asked me to support their needs - I have no other diversity that I have been charged to serve. :)

Cheers,

Brad

I like to argue, no, I love to argue. It's a hobby, must be something in the blood line :)

No worries, I wouldn't submit your content to piracy networks. Not only because it's stealing or piracy, but because the amount of sales/traffic it would produce for you and not me. It wouldn't be worth my time to do it for a cut of the money, even more so when most of the traffic generated is type-in based.

I don't care that you host at Choopa, I don't care what you do with your business good or bad. I know that by hosting at Choopa you really aren't hurting this business, at all. But just because they spam me so damn much on ICQ, I feel it's a mission to get you to move, and if piracy will do that - then so be it :)

Not talking about blocking free traffic. I'm talking about affiliates who are SEO's or who are running adword campaigns, and you then are BUYING that traffic from them. Whether you're paying for it as a revshare percentage or pay per signup or prepaying for the ad space on a site, it's the same thing.


I don't know if you noticed, but Choopa is fucking cheap...dirt cheap. So are the other hosts that would get bashed here because they host tube sites....why do you think the tube sites use them?

Karupted Charles is talking up natnet and mojohost because they don't do biz with tubes. Natnet is the most expensive host in the biz and proud of it (their slogan...not my idea) and the cheapest price I've seen Mojo post on a special is $15 per mbit...while these other hosts are below $10/mbit and I've seen some as low as $5. (according to the GTS newsletter)

So you tell me, should I pay twice as much for my hosting just to satisfy Karup's morals?

It would be one thing if the host was directly doing someone in this biz harm.....but they're just hosting websites....sites they probably never even look at unless they're asked to in a support request.

The host in this case is just the person at whom the anger is directed because the owners of the sites themselves don't come around here.

im very proud of myself,that i havent said anything in this thread.

:pimp high, tony404 - would you like a new hosting service plan?

lol Hey Doc nope and hope all is going well.

I made an obvious Observation not a contribution Moron.:2 cents: What I do is not important to anyone I don't work with especially a gallery maker like you. If I remember correctly it was you that blacklisted some traffic broker a few months ago for selling and or buying tube traffic, then went crawling back when you figured out your entire biz relies on bought traffic....You are a classic village idiot.:1orglaugh

You know tony I put my mind and body on the line here at GFY everyday just like I did here...all to keep you and Mandy amused. :pimp lol

PS: tony404 is icq'ing me everything I'm saying. I'm merely a puppet in the hands of the puppet master.

Yep the puppet master, Robbie Im going to have to dock your pay for fucking around on here too much.

Hey, you have my attention. ICQ me when you get a chance 623-327

Yes Mastah....

There is still a huge difference in not working with a host vs not advertising with a company that owns 70% of the search marketplace. One is not going to effect your business, the other can destroy it.

As I said, if it effects your business dramatically, I don't blame you. I know for a fact that while CHOOPA's prices are nice, they aren't the only ones doing it. They aren't the only quality hosts out there. If you were forced to switch hosts one day, I really don't think your business' bottom line would be effected that much. But again, I would never expect someone to hurt their own livelihood over something like this.

And I've also never said you should satisfy anyone's morals. I'm saying that people have their own boundaries for what they will and will not tolerate. While you may not draw the line there, I'm sure there are things in this industry that you do. I have never been one to pull links over some of the drama on these boards, but I do draw the line at credit card fraud with sponsors.

Let me ask you this. If a host has CP on their servers and they know about it, are they "just hosting websites"? When does the relationship between host and site change in your opinion?

Me too. I didn't realize he was doing that with more than one person.

you are all just chess pieces in my game. lol You guys crack me up. :)

No, I realized that I made a mistake by taking out my anger over tube sites out on a traffic broker, and I apologized for the mistake.
In that same vein I'm telling other people here that taking out their anger against tube sites on the companies that host them is equally pointless and not appropriate.

I don't hide behind a fake nick and bash people like the fearless keyboard warrior you are.

When I go to trade shows I wear my name around my neck and stand behind everything I say on industry message boards.

How about you?

I will comment on this thread tomorrow

This is on their About Us Wiki..

I find that interesting that someone is complaining about that. Considering I don't think Redtube has ever had a moment of downtime due to the content it hosted.

I'm still just curious as to why and when choopa was allowed back on here??? I mean you couldn't even type the word "choopa" a few weeks ago! LOL

Good morning sunshine.

I agree with Karupted Charles in this case. My PERSONAL opinion is that they have been in business long enough to 'afford' to do something about the larger clients they may host that are detrimental to the industry. Lord knows we have had to do so. On that note I'll let that issue lay where it may & see where it goes from here. Additionally, I wasn't too thrilled as to how they handled that last data center move. A lot of webmasters income was directly effected. That doesn't sit well with me.

With that said I'm sure the Choopa guys are great bunch of people, and will eventually do the right thing. This industry has a long term memory, but if you step up and face your demons head on, you will do well and people will respect you more for it.

My :2 cents: :)

Well said lover! :winkwink: