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Ray@TastyDollars · 10-26-2002, 03:48 PM

So un-fucking-predictable. How does a program go from a steady 1:400 to a pathetic 0:2300 in less than 2 days with the same damn traffic? Movie traffic! How? How?

Man that burns me up! There are always ups and downs but 0:2300...arrrghh

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Ahhh, Feel better now. I needed to get that out.

Ray

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Sly_RJ · 10-26-2002, 03:50 PM

We usually refer to those guys as shavers. Was it PPS?

Lexxx · 10-26-2002, 03:51 PM

I feel your pain - same thing here - from 1:240 steady to 1:1500 in 2 days - wtf?!?

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Ray@TastyDollars · 10-26-2002, 03:54 PM

My buddy also, said the past 2 days have sucked ass(in a bad way).

As for shaving, I dont think so. These guys are a real nice bunch. They "prob" would not do that.

still counting 0:2500 , I think im gonna cry

Ray

pimplink · 10-26-2002, 03:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ray
So un-fucking-predictable. How does a program go from a steady 1:400 to a pathetic 0:2300 in less than 2 days with the same damn traffic? Movie traffic! How? How?

Man that burns me up! There are always ups and downs but 0:2300...arrrghh .

Ahhh, Feel better now. I needed to get that out.

Ray

ARS? Topbucks? heheheheh I suggest changing your ads first then switching to text, etc but its no guarantee. I've had $2500 ARS weeks then suddenly skid to $300 a week. Same traffic, same way of sending traffic, same ads.

It happens with many other big sponsors.

GTS Mark · 10-26-2002, 03:55 PM

Yeah I know the feeling but then all of a sudden you get like 5 sales in a day and you are back down to 1:500.... You can't look at things from day to day. You have to look at the big picture. Month to month...

Just my

DH

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Ray@TastyDollars · 10-26-2002, 03:58 PM

Hey Equinox, icq me when you get a chance 161375873. Ill be on later, gotta go BBQ some steak now...mmmmm

Kimmykim · 10-26-2002, 04:06 PM

Hmmm, your sponsor would have to be as stupid as all these pictures being posted to do that kind of drop on you in that short a time if they were really shaving.

Maybe processing issues, maybe your traffic sucked, maybe hosting problems, who knows.

I do know if you send good traffic and get a nice check every week, NO sponsor wants to lose you, so I'd email their support staff asap about it.

10-26-2002, 04:10 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Kimmykim
Hmmm, your sponsor would have to be as stupid as all these pictures being posted to do that kind of drop on you in that short a time if they were really shaving.

I thought you'd like em

mrthumbs · 10-26-2002, 04:13 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Kimmykim
Hmmm, your sponsor would have to be as stupid as all these pictures being posted to do that kind of drop on you in that short a time if they were really shaving.

they've been doing it for quite some years now
and nobody seems to mind..

If it was a 20% percentage shave people would do some
calculation and say: "that sponsor shaves!"

Sponsors like ARS just shave 50-80% and everybody says:

"nah.. if they would shave THAT much.. they would be stupid"
bitch a little more and continue using ARS...

Sly_RJ · 10-26-2002, 04:21 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ray
My buddy also, said the past 2 days have sucked ass(in a bad way).

As for shaving, I dont think so. These guys are a real nice bunch. They "prob" would not do that.

still counting 0:2500 , I think im gonna cry

Ray

Being "nice" doesn't pay for that vacation to Spain.

Webby · 10-26-2002, 04:23 PM

Ain't ya heard about the Law of Deminishing Returns yet? This can be applied in a variety of ways. Often the pattern is great conversions for first month, cut in half the second, by the third month you are lucky to see a dime (despite no difference in traffic!).

The 48 Hour Law Of Deminishing Returns is when you are doing just fine and converting well - then hit these "bad spots" - It is often needed to have two spreadsheets for this, one for you, three for me :-)

OK.. if ya gotta resort to swearing.. it's called "shaving"

Sly_RJ · 10-26-2002, 04:26 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by mrthumbs

they've been doing it for quite some years now
and nobody seems to mind..

If it was a 20% percentage shave people would do some
calculation and say: "that sponsor shaves!"

Sponsors like ARS just shave 50-80% and everybody says:

"nah.. if they would shave THAT much.. they would be stupid"
bitch a little more and continue using ARS...

I was sending Program X a little traffic, about 3k monthly. It was good for about 6-9 sales every month, like fucking clockwork. All of a sudden, September had NO sales. None. Same traffic, same sites, same search engines. Emailed support, no answer.

Sure, 6-8 sales a month isn't much, but dropping it down to nothing was pretty stupid. This month is running at about 50% with them...

Theo · 10-26-2002, 04:44 PM

this stats can only come from ARS

boneprone · 10-26-2002, 04:52 PM

take out your own credit card and signup under your own link.
See if a sale comes up in your stats.

Ive had some programs never show the sale.

pimplink · 10-26-2002, 04:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by boneprone
take out your own credit card and signup under your own link.
See if a sale comes up in your stats.

Ive had some programs never show the sale.

Well, one thing I can say about ARS [as erratic as its performance maybe on a day to day, and YES, on a month to month basis] is that if PASSES the Boneprone test above.

Ray@TastyDollars · 10-26-2002, 05:06 PM

Umm did I mention ARS anywhere in my post

. Its not ARS, its *********. I wont say who, this board is to strong I dont want them to have a bad rap due to 2 bad days im having. Im sure it will pick up, and if it is due to a stats problem, im sure they will fix it soon. As for shaving, I highly daught it. If at any time I would even remotley feel im being shaved i would pull the proggy pronto.

Oh and its not the sponsor in my sig.

Still zero and counting

Later,
Ray

Theo · 10-26-2002, 05:12 PM

post your link and the whole board will signup under you

nobody will notice it

jimmy3way · 10-26-2002, 05:19 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Kimmykim
Hmmm, your sponsor would have to be as stupid as all these pictures being posted to do that kind of drop on you in that short a time if they were really shaving.

Maybe processing issues, maybe your traffic sucked, maybe hosting problems, who knows.

I do know if you send good traffic and get a nice check every week, NO sponsor wants to lose you, so I'd email their support staff asap about it.

I know you've been around the block, miss (not in a bad way...heh heh) but the fact is sponsors shave like a motherfucker. They do.

I split my traffic between several sponsors, a bunch of the majors and one where I happen to know the owner very well. He's a cool guy and is very honest with me about the problems he has, etc.

When everything's fine my traffic with this guy converts at like 1:300. Every month for the last two years, if everything is working okay he manages to convert about the same, tho globally the ratio has dropped steadily from 1:200 to 1:300.

When my ratio skyrockets, I know something is wrong, he'll tell me exactly what's up. 90% of the time there was a processor or server problem.

Moral of the story?

How do I know most everybody shaves? Easy, because I know one person who doesn't.

jimmyf · 10-26-2002, 05:25 PM

Am pretty sure I know who he's talking about... and I've been thinking about taking all there links and banners off all my pages... Only thing I still find it hard to believe they would shave, but who knows.. I want to believe what KimmyKim says. I've also read some other stuff about who am talking about...

frankfortuna · 10-26-2002, 05:28 PM

I have a sponsor who stops counting stats for an hour somewhere between 2:30 AM and 4:00 AM EST daily. Whether they are shaving or simply performing "maintenance" during this period is beyond me.

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Ray@TastyDollars www.TastyDollars.com Join Date: May 2002 Location: Montreal Posts: 6,797	So un-fucking-predictable. How does a program go from... So un-fucking-predictable. How does a program go from a steady 1:400 to a pathetic 0:2300 in less than 2 days with the same damn traffic? Movie traffic! How? How? Man that burns me up! There are always ups and downs but 0:2300...arrrghh . Ahhh, Feel better now. I needed to get that out. Ray __________________ The nets best interracial and cuckold site The nets hottest teen site ICQ me: 161 375 873

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10-26-2002, 03:54 PM	#7
Ray@TastyDollars www.TastyDollars.com Join Date: May 2002 Location: Montreal Posts: 6,797	My buddy also, said the past 2 days have sucked ass(in a bad way). As for shaving, I dont think so. These guys are a real nice bunch. They "prob" would not do that. still counting 0:2500 , I think im gonna cry Ray __________________ The nets best interracial and cuckold site The nets hottest teen site ICQ me: 161 375 873

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Ray@TastyDollars www.TastyDollars.com Join Date: May 2002 Location: Montreal Posts: 6,797	Hey Equinox, icq me when you get a chance 161375873. Ill be on later, gotta go BBQ some steak now...mmmmm __________________ The nets best interracial and cuckold site The nets hottest teen site ICQ me: 161 375 873

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GTS Mark Vrume Mark Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 20,912	Yeah I know the feeling but then all of a sudden you get like 5 sales in a day and you are back down to 1:500.... You can't look at things from day to day. You have to look at the big picture. Month to month... Just my DH

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Kimmykim bitchslapping zebras!!!!! Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: In a shack by the beach Posts: 16,015	Hmmm, your sponsor would have to be as stupid as all these pictures being posted to do that kind of drop on you in that short a time if they were really shaving. Maybe processing issues, maybe your traffic sucked, maybe hosting problems, who knows. I do know if you send good traffic and get a nice check every week, NO sponsor wants to lose you, so I'd email their support staff asap about it.

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Webby Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Far far away - as possible Posts: 14,956	Ain't ya heard about the Law of Deminishing Returns yet? This can be applied in a variety of ways. Often the pattern is great conversions for first month, cut in half the second, by the third month you are lucky to see a dime (despite no difference in traffic!). The 48 Hour Law Of Deminishing Returns is when you are doing just fine and converting well - then hit these "bad spots" - It is often needed to have two spreadsheets for this, one for you, three for me :-) OK.. if ya gotta resort to swearing.. it's called "shaving"

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Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	this stats can only come from ARS

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boneprone Hall Of Fame Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Portland Oregon USA Posts: 34,415	take out your own credit card and signup under your own link. See if a sale comes up in your stats. Ive had some programs never show the sale. __________________ Industry Hall Of Fame Legend Mike Jones Bow to the Power - Still BP4L http://gfyawards.com/hall-of-fame Learn about it kids.

10-26-2002, 05:06 PM	#22
Ray@TastyDollars www.TastyDollars.com Join Date: May 2002 Location: Montreal Posts: 6,797	Umm did I mention ARS anywhere in my post . Its not ARS, its *********. I wont say who, this board is to strong I dont want them to have a bad rap due to 2 bad days im having. Im sure it will pick up, and if it is due to a stats problem, im sure they will fix it soon. As for shaving, I highly daught it. If at any time I would even remotley feel im being shaved i would pull the proggy pronto. Oh and its not the sponsor in my sig. Still zero and counting Later, Ray __________________ The nets best interracial and cuckold site The nets hottest teen site ICQ me: 161 375 873

10-26-2002, 05:12 PM	#23
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	post your link and the whole board will signup under you nobody will notice it

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jimmyf OU812 Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: California Posts: 12,651	Am pretty sure I know who he's talking about... and I've been thinking about taking all there links and banners off all my pages... Only thing I still find it hard to believe they would shave, but who knows.. I want to believe what KimmyKim says. I've also read some other stuff about who am talking about... __________________ Epic CashEpic Cash works for me Solar Cash Paysite Plugin Gallery of the day freesites,POTD,Gallery generator with free hosting

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frankfortuna Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 1,504	I have a sponsor who stops counting stats for an hour somewhere between 2:30 AM and 4:00 AM EST daily. Whether they are shaving or simply performing "maintenance" during this period is beyond me. Last edited by frankfortuna; 10-26-2002 at 05:30 PM..

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