Russian General Threatens Poland (may use nukes)

[DateDoc]

MOSCOW - A top Russian general said Friday that Poland's agreement to accept a U.S. missile interceptor base exposes the ex-communist nation to attack, possibly by nuclear weapons, the Interfax news agency reported.

The statement by Gen. Anatoly Nogovitsyn is the strongest threat that Russia has issued against the plans to put missile defense elements in former Soviet satellite nations.

Poland and the United States on Thursday signed a deal for Poland to accept a missile interceptor base as part of a system the United States says is aimed at blocking attacks by rogue nations. Moscow, however, feels it is aimed at Russia's missile force.

"Poland, by deploying (the system) is exposing itself to a strike ? 100 percent," Nogovitsyn, the deputy chief of staff, was quoted as saying.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080815/...issile_defense

[After Shock Media]

No one will be using any nukes on anyone. Nobody wants to deal with the rest of the world after that and the damage it would cause even on a limited basis. Even the nutcases in power still want to be in power, so they wont let them fly either.

[Sunny]

Originally Posted by After Shock Media

No one will be using any nukes on anyone. Nobody wants to deal with the rest of the world after that and the damage it would cause even on a limited basis. Even the nutcases in power still want to be in power, so they wont let them fly either.

you are sooo optimist.

[After Shock Media]

Originally Posted by Razi

you are sooo optimist.

No need to be anything but a realist. No optimism needed.
They may attack polland with a non nuke strike or series of them. That is more acceptable on the world stage. A nuke attack on the other hand effects other countries besides poland no matter what and nobody, even the attackers want that.

[Axel XXX]

Bullshit... Russian bla bla bla

[bbm]

Hey, actually it is Poland who threatens Russia. In essence of a problem there are only USA and RF. And USA uses Poland.

[Sly]

Originally Posted by bbm

Hey, actually it is Poland who threatens Russia. In essence of a problem there are only USA and RF. And USA uses Poland.

Poland threatens Russia? Come on... what is Poland going to do against Russia? Seriously? Poland attempting anything against Russia would be like a little yip dog snapping at the heels of strangers. Annoying as hell but one swift kick and they would learn their lesson... that's what Russia is doing to Georgia.

[Sly]

Originally Posted by Razi

you are sooo optimist.

A nuclear strike against a NATO, European Union, and American military ally would not exactly go unpunished... Russia wants their power back and they are fighting for it, but they aren't stupid.

[CaptainHowdy]

Bring on the nukes...

[Pornopat]

The Russian general is talking tough and that is basically the only thing he can do.
Poland is part of the EU.

Even throwing a stone in the direction of Poland would get Russia in trouble.

[SpicyM]

you are affraid of fireworks?

[_Richard_]

yea.. shouldn't be a problem with the missile shield unless russia intends to fire missiles..

[seeandsee]

this is not good!

[spacedog]

As usual the western media likes to distort the facts far from the truth.

Russia was not threatening Poland.

Russia is telling Poland that by them allowing this that they are exposing themselves to attack by OTHER NATIONS whom have a gripe against These United States.

Suppose US went to war against Iran and Iran had nukes and wanted to launch one at a US city? Naturally they would attack Poland first and take out the defense mechanisms in place prior to launch against US soil.

[AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE]

I am starting to think the Russian Leadership seriously needs an attitude adjustment. What the fuck is wrong with them guys over there?

They seem to be operating like fucking Gangsters more and more.
One can seriously doubt Poland has any plans whats so ever to attack Russia or Europe would ever plan to attack Russia, or even America.

Ya never hear Europe talking about attacking Russia or even remotly threatening to.

[AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Originally Posted by spacedog

As usual the western media likes to distort the facts far from the truth.

Russia was not threatening Poland.

Russia is telling Poland that by them allowing this that they are exposing themselves to attack by OTHER NATIONS whom have a gripe against These United States.

Suppose US went to war against Iran and Iran had nukes and wanted to launch one at a US city? Naturally they would attack Poland first and take out the defense mechanisms in place prior to launch against US soil.

Yeah and thats kinda like worrying about Uganda launching Nukes or something. It's just not going to happen. 1 No Tech to make them. 2: No ability to transport them even if they could make them. And even if they did make them and have the transport it still would not fucking go through the defense shield LOL!

WHat Poland and the Czech are signing onto is called a "DEFENSE" Shield not an "OFFENSE" shield.
THe systems themselves are incapable of damaging anything except flying missiles for fucks sakes.

[AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE]

SO what is Russia all in a panty wad about? Still can not figure it out.

Whats the matter with them, whats thier point of view and justification for feeling so threatened?

USA and Europe has done nothing but benefit them since the so called fall of the Iron Curtain.

Trade is awesome, food is better in Russia, they got access to the web and most likely live better than they did 50 years ago by far. What are they freaked about?

As far as I know, no country has fucked with Russia even since after WWII.
No threats no invasions nothing... Last country to be openly hosdtile to Russia was the Nazi's and what happened to them? Yeah.. So WHats with Russia?

[Sly]

Originally Posted by AlienQ

SO what is Russia all in a panty wad about? Still can not figure it out.

Whats the matter with them, whats thier point of view and justification for feeling so threatened?

USA and Europe has done nothing but benefit them since the so called fall of the Iron Curtain.

Trade is awesome, food is better in Russia, they got access to the web and most likely live better than they did 50 years ago by far. What are they freaked about?

As far as I know, no country has fucked with Russia even since after WWII.
No threats no invasions nothing...

Easy. Power.

[MaDalton]

did the US like it when Russia put missiles on Cuba?

thats about how Russia feels about missiles and radar in Poland and Czech Rep.

especially since those 2 countries are former warsaw pact members

would you like it when your neighbour puts artillery in his garden, aiming at you and keeps telling you it's only to defend against canadians? ;)

[klinton]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

did the US like it when Russia put missiles on Cuba?

thats about how Russia feels about missiles and radar in Poland and Czech Rep.

especially since those 2 countries are former warsaw pact members

would you like it when your neighbour puts artillery in his garden, aiming at you and keeps telling you it's only to defend against canadians? ;)

peace

[DWB]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

did the US like it when Russia put missiles on Cuba?

thats about how Russia feels about missiles and radar in Poland and Czech Rep.

especially since those 2 countries are former warsaw pact members

would you like it when your neighbour puts artillery in his garden, aiming at you and keeps telling you it's only to defend against canadians? ;)

Finally someone gets it.

If Russia was doing the same thing in say... northern Mexico or Cuba (again)... heads would roll.

[Vendot]

Originally Posted by AlienQ

WHat Poland and the Czech are signing onto is called a "DEFENSE" Shield not an "OFFENSE" shield.
THe systems themselves are incapable of damaging anything except flying missiles for fucks sakes.

Sure but Russia is concerned about the shield upsetting the balance. It has a point and its very technical not as simple as you present.

[kowalsky]

With or without nukes, a war of Russia against Poland means Russia against USA + Europe. Which means a huge disaster.

[AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Originally Posted by Vendot

Sure but Russia is concerned about the shield upsetting the balance. It has a point and its very technical not as simple as you present.

There is no balance.
Ya do not hear Europe talkin shit or America talkin shit about Nuclear strikes or invasions.
All throughout the COld War it was not America and Europe threatening Russia with Obliteration and invasion anytime after WWII.

It is my belief that the Russian rullers are Thugs and Mafia just trying to make a bank roll while trying to lead a country.

One thing you people have failed to realise is that America hit Iraq with Authorization of the UN and NATO. Sure USA looked like the invader's of the 21st century however America all along was following the will of the combined nations of the world.

We can look at Iraq now and see undeniable proof that Iraq is comming into the fold of Civilization with a fair government system.

Would RUssia do that for anyone? No...
Russia's only stance is to claim the defense of itself while in the face of instigating unrest of one sort or another in Europe, much like Iran is doing to the Middle East.

[gxer]

If all of you still think that you live in "democratic" world - you are wrong.

Believe me , none would do anything if Rusia will fuck those midgets like Poland or
whatever neighbours. These countries are victims for many years and always will be.

Get real, US will care about own ass if anything happens in EU as it was 60 years ago.
Do you really think that 60 years mean something for the history ? NO.

There will be wars , big and small , always.

[D Ghost]

wow that aint good

[AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Originally Posted by gxer

If all of you still think that you live in "democratic" world - you are wrong.

Believe me , none would do anything if Rusia will fuck those midgets like Poland or
whatever neighbours. These countries are victims for many years and always will be.

Get real, US will care about own ass if anything happens in EU as it was 60 years ago.
Do you really think that 60 years mean something for the history ? NO.

There will be wars , big and small , always.

Europe would push Russia back to where it belongs.
Russia can not hold shit with a standing military of roughly 150,000 using throw back and hand me down weaponry. Russia could not even sustain an armed conflict for more than 2 months, they would run out of Munitions and fuel very rapidly. Strategically Russia is commiting political suicide, slapping Georgia around only magnify's the known problems that rule out of the Kremlin.

THe Russian people have never had it so good as of late, hell some of them even post on this board, they got food, they got pieces of capitalism in mind and doing some pretty good shit. If the Kremlin has it's way though alot of that can be kissed good bye.

It's gonna take alot more than broken down T72's to run over Europe these days I am pretty sure the Russian leader's did not get that memo or they would have never set foot in Georgia.

[pornguy]

Its not the guy that makes the verbal threat that I worry about. Its the one that does not make the threat, and just pushes the button. Lets hope they have good control of that button.

[Dvae]

Originally Posted by pornguy

Its not the guy that makes the verbal threat that I worry about. Its the one that does not make the threat, and just pushes the button. Lets hope they have good control of that button.

[AdultMovies.bz]

Damn stupid Polish leaders... they'll do anything to suck US's cocks. And I've just purchased 5 hectares of land in Poland lol may not be worth much soon

[Zebra]

Damn, I wonder how much a nuclear war would affect porn sales?

[AdultMovies.bz]

Originally Posted by Zebra

Damn, I wonder how much a nuclear war would affect porn sales?

lol well I could see a new niche forming...

The Deformed Chernobyls

[bronco67]

Originally Posted by After Shock Media

No one will be using any nukes on anyone. Nobody wants to deal with the rest of the world after that and the damage it would cause even on a limited basis. Even the nutcases in power still want to be in power, so they wont let them fly either.

I never really thought about the term "mutually assured destruction", but I guess that pretty much nails it.

It can never happen.

[Odin]

Originally Posted by AlienQ

There is no balance.
Ya do not hear Europe talkin shit or America talkin shit about Nuclear strikes or invasions.
All throughout the COld War it was not America and Europe threatening Russia with Obliteration and invasion anytime after WWII.

It is my belief that the Russian rullers are Thugs and Mafia just trying to make a bank roll while trying to lead a country.

One thing you people have failed to realise is that America hit Iraq with Authorization of the UN and NATO. Sure USA looked like the invader's of the 21st century however America all along was following the will of the combined nations of the world.

We can look at Iraq now and see undeniable proof that Iraq is comming into the fold of Civilization with a fair government system.

Would RUssia do that for anyone? No...
Russia's only stance is to claim the defense of itself while in the face of instigating unrest of one sort or another in Europe, much like Iran is doing to the Middle East.

The problem is this, the Russians, or anyone for that matter don't like to be humiliated and subordinate, much less to the USA. They folded up the Soviet Union, and peacefully left how many nations? And in return what do they get? The USA pushing to move NATO right up into their face, on as many fronts as possible and placing missiles on their doorstep, in nations they used to control but left peacefully? I am not a great fan of Putin on a number of levels, but I understand their sentiments. At some point they are going to try to reassert themselves, and I think we have reached that point.

[brassmonkey]

drop the fucker

[JFK]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

did the US like it when Russia put missiles on Cuba?

thats about how Russia feels about missiles and radar in Poland and Czech Rep.

especially since those 2 countries are former warsaw pact members

would you like it when your neighbour puts artillery in his garden, aiming at you and keeps telling you it's only to defend against canadians? ;)

WATCH IT, or we gonna get a moose to Ballistic on your ass

[AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Originally Posted by AdultMovies.bz

Damn stupid Polish leaders... they'll do anything to suck US's cocks. And I've just purchased 5 hectares of land in Poland lol may not be worth much soon

Yer crazy, land Value in Poland will climb because of that system.

Improved security means more money.

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by DateDoc

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080815/...issile_defense

I don't understand your lack of understanding. He just said that such an objects are always first target for a nuclear strike in case of war. This is not a threat. This is just a fact. ALL the nuclear countries including the USA and Russia are targeting such missile interceptor base as a primary targets. So what's a problem?

[AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Originally Posted by MaDalton

did the US like it when Russia put missiles on Cuba?

thats about how Russia feels about missiles and radar in Poland and Czech Rep.

especially since those 2 countries are former warsaw pact members

would you like it when your neighbour puts artillery in his garden, aiming at you and keeps telling you it's only to defend against canadians? ;)

Uhmm Actually the system does not aim nor is it used by anymeans as an offensive weapon. It shoots missiles down. Why would Russia choose to shoot missiles into these countries or why would they not want a good defense from Middle Eastern Rocket Attacks?

Hell the system benefits Russia at the same time.
Russia should maybe be concerned stabilizing its economy and joining the fold of decent civilization in trade, construction, merchandising, manufacturing jobs and so forth while modernising it's military to help the ALlies it has signed onto such as oh, the G8, UN and other organisations that seek to stabilise the world from self destruction.

Russia has alot more to be concerned about than some stupid thought up pretentious invasion from "Western Powers". THats absurd. There is absolutly zero interest by any government in the EU and Nato that deem's them as an enemy. Well maybe Georgia is pretty pissed at them now...

The only enemies Russia has these days is itself.

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by After Shock Media

No one will be using any nukes on anyone. Nobody wants to deal with the rest of the world after that and the damage it would cause even on a limited basis. Even the nutcases in power still want to be in power, so they wont let them fly either.

Exactly. Russia won't attack Poland. Especially with nuclear weapon. This will happen only in case if there will be a straight war conflict between Russian and the USA. The USA will try to hit all Russian missile interceptor bases first, and Russia will do the same. Unfortuinately the nearest US-protecting base will be located in Poland so a first nuclear strike will be done to that Polish base. Once again: this doesn't mean that Russia is going to attack Poland. The USA using that country like a live-shield, so blame the USA, but not Russia.

[AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Also keep in mind this Missile system was also offered to the Russians!

America was to go in to Russia install them and let the Russians have at it along with some training and maintenance. Sure the systems would be over seen by UN personnel and maintained by American personnel and be manned by Russian personnel. THe system is a zero threat and the ultimate deterrent against Missile based attacks.

Now why did Russia say no to that? Read the news I thought that was pretty crazy info when Bush offered it via Rice and approval of the UN!

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by Sly

Poland threatens Russia?

Of course not. But the US missile interceptor bases there threatens Russia. I thought this is obvious. There is no threat in a peace time, but in case of war it will for sure.

Guys, this is a common strategy for all the countries. This is not Russian idea to destroy nearest missile interceptor bases in case of serious war conflict. The USA and China will do the same.

[AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE]

CyberXXX you are on fucking Crack.

Straight war conflict with Russia, its like Russians wish for a chance to fight America, whats with you crazy fuckers? THere is Zero chance Russians would win in any scenerio provided what the exhisting balance of technology and weapons in both countries hands. Even if they fired Nukes. THe fucking things may not even work, the fucking things have ZERO chance of landing anywhere in the world and detonating. They would be shot down before even leaving Russian air space at this point.

THat clinging aspiration of a nuclear deterrent is a Kremlin pipe dream or some sort of propaghanda told to it's civilians to keep them in line or give them the false belief that Russia is some sort of mighty empire again. You guys are being brainwshed or somthing over there.

I am not even going to get into a Conventional war conversation scenerio, as Russia's leadership would not last even 1 week before falling over dead in the snow.

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by AlienQ

CyberXXX you are on fucking Crack.

Nope dude, you are just a naive idiot so I don't really care what you say. Because there is big glory hole instead of your brain.

[papill0n]

Originally Posted by AlienQ

Also keep in mind this Missile system was also offered to the Russians!

America was to go in to Russia install them and let the Russians have at it along with some training and maintenance. Sure the systems would be over seen by UN personnel and maintained by American personnel and be manned by Russian personnel. THe system is a zero threat and the ultimate deterrent against Missile based attacks.

Now why did Russia say no to that? Read the news I thought that was pretty crazy info when Bush offered it via Rice and approval of the UN!

America was going to go into Russia and install missiles that they controlled and maintained and Russia said no!?!?! wow what were they thinking

[AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Maybe you Russians should sit down and realise that your country needs more industrialiZation, less crime on the government level that robs you guys daily and higher educations so Russia can really get back upto date on things.

Incase ya have not realised it the Iron Curtain devastated the People of Russia and the country is in no position to push offensives on neighboring countries.

You people need schools and buildings and infrastructure and some modernization.
Take a look at China. They work hard they are modernizing and recovering and one of the most powerful industrialised countries in the world.
THey solve things Diplomatically and the biggest trade partner America has.

It's not a solid relationship but none the less its not a relationship that threatens to blow up the world if it does not get its way. THat relationship works two ways between America and China and neither threaten each other with Armagedden shit. SO think about that dude.

[cykoe6]

Originally Posted by Chief

The problem is this, the Russians, or anyone for that matter don't like to be humiliated and subordinate, much less to the USA. They folded up the Soviet Union, and peacefully left how many nations? And in return what do they get? The USA pushing to move NATO right up into their face, on as many fronts as possible and placing missiles on their doorstep, in nations they used to control but left peacefully? I am not a great fan of Putin on a number of levels, but I understand their sentiments. At some point they are going to try to reassert themselves, and I think we have reached that point.

Agreed. The West has painted Russia into a corner and then is surprised when they lash out a bit. Putin has to stand up to the West at this point to appraise nationalist sentiment at home. If I was a Russian citizen I would feel the same way.

Having said that I support placing missile defenses into Poland as a check on Iran but I can certainly understand Moscow's unhappiness with such a thing. It is a shame Russia and the US cannot work together. The primary reason they cannot IMO is the cold war mindset of many Americans who refuse to see Russia as a potential ally and see every Russian action as a provocation.

Russia and the West share many of the same goals but Western actions have made cooperation all but impossible at this point.