Thanks Jay...honestly I don't mind my affiliate getting that number one spot. If somebody can pull that off, more power to them. But I had already began the process of working on optimizing my search engine stuff for the site last week. My graphics guy finally got the new images I needed last night and we got the text off the images and onto the page itself as "real" text.

I'm not trying to hurt my own affiliate. I was sort of impressed at what he did and being an old school guy...and remembering when it used to be cool when a program gave me a public pat on the back for a job well done, I had no idea I would be crucified by some people that I don't even know on here.

Hell, I have no idea if half these people who are calling me an idiot are even in this business and/or how successful they are. So, I'll just leave it at: No, I don't think that saying an affiliate garnered the top spot on Google for my wife's name for her site of the same name is giving away any "secrets" I can't even fathom the thinking that would lead to that conclusion or that somehow I have "fucked over' my affiliates.

BUT, if ONE person that I know in this business and respect comes on here and says: "Robbie you fucked up by saying one of your affiliates has a top Google spot for your website" Well, then I WILL listen to that person. But so far, everyone who has attacked me in this thread are people that in 10 years of running a content company, one of the biggest tgps' in the world, and now a paysite...I'm unaware of what any of them do... And the people who have sort of "defended" me in this thread are pretty much all successful players in the biz.

I'm not trying to be disrespectful to the people on here that called me a "prick" and a "douchebag" and followed up by telling me how successful they are as affiliates and how they would never work with me because I'm obviously a piece of shit...but come on you guys. I'd like to know who you are and if ANY of you have ever been a whale. I have.

Hmm interesting... anyways i'm going back to video editing for a while now :)

I have similar problems with my affiliates. Hitting you up on ICQ Jay.

Witch TGP do you own. I would like to talk to you.

Wait a minute dude....If you weren't posting on this board, I wouldn't even know who the fuck you are.....Does that mean that you don't get traffic? Hell no.....The same with others.....There's plenty of people on here getting traffic and just because someone that we don't know doesn't know somebody else, it doesn't validate or degrade from what one is actually doing....

Wired Guy for instance is reputed to have a lot of search engine traffic.....Does the fact that I have absolutely no idea what sites he runs except like one or what he actually does make him an assclown?....He isn't a successful player?

Fuck man there's a LOT of us on here getting traffic...Just because YOU don't know about it doesn't make it any less volumous.....

Jesus Christ....

BVF you are just looking for anything to argue about.

I'm gonna stay on topic...My POINT is that coming on here and saying "Hey I think it's cool that an affiliate figured out a way to get the number one spot on google for my site and is making good money off of it" Is NOT a crime.

As far as who has what or has done what...you know damn well what I'm talking about. I'm referring to all the faceless surfers on here who pretend they are in this business and prattle on about "mainstream" and how "successful" they are...and yet don't have ANY credentials.

And yes, I am aware that you are down in puerto rico or wherever and have never had any reason to cross paths with me in business. That's fine. BUT, the majority of people who were around 10 + years have ALL done business with me. Both traffic and as an affiliate or going back to 98 to 2002 buying content from me. That is what I'm saying. So please stop trying to bring even more drama to a thread that should have never had any.

This is why I love Yahoo...

Your ref code has replaced mine a few times for a few Nasty sites.

It sucked.

Don't count on it sticking though.. I've had some of those in the past and typically google will eventually drop them.

oops.. looks like it's allready gone..

Without reading this entire clusterfuck of a thread, I am confused as to why you would be congratulating an affiliate for taking the number one spot for a direct search word for your site/domain

How the hell could this result in you getting more sales?

If someone searches claudia-marie, and are looking for your website, they should be taken to your website vs. any affiliate website as the number one spot on google.

This sounds more like piss poor seo on your part, than congratulating an 'affiliate' for stealing what should be direct sales... rofl....

No shit.. I told another "outspoken" small program operator the same thing awhile ago.. Asked him why the hell he was letting review sites take over the top listings for his sites and thus the revenue. I told him that he should be working on "owning" most of top 10 for his own sites... It was like a revelation for him and yet to me it just seems to be common sense.

Robbie - The issues isn't that you bragged about some affiliate making you tons of sales. It was that you gave out information about how he was doing it... If I was an affiliate of yours that had spent a lot of time and money on getting you a bunch of traffic and then you went and shared that with everyone else so they could then figure out what I did and try and duplicate all my work, I'd be pretty fucking pissed off with you and wouldn't put anymore work into promoting your sites. It shows a complete lack of respect for the efforts affiliates put into promoting your sites in this highly competitive business. But go ahead and make some comment about how you don't know me and so my comments mean nothing.. I have a LOT of traffic (big tit, milf, "chubby") I could be sending Claudia Marie but because you don't know me and have trivialized me based on that in the past, I don't think you'll ever get any of it.

Tempest, I have been an affiliate myself for more years than most of the guys in this thread put together. I didn't see where I gave away any "secrets" I see NOTHING wrong in saying that an affiliate secured a to spot on a search engine. So what? That's not a "secret" that I'm giving away. I don't even KNOW how he did it. Much less give away this great "secret"

As I said earlier in this thread...a few years ago I won a motorcycle from Lightspeed because I sent so many joins. There was no "secret" to it. I had the traffic and the quality of traffic. Nobody could take what I did. I am still not quite understanding the concept of saying it's fucking someone over by saying: "Hey, if you get the number one spot for a paysite you will make money." Fucking DUH

Finally, I also made it very clear in the beginning that I had begun the process of putting the text (That I PERSONALLY write) on the page and off of the graphic. We had been working on that for about 5 days BEFORE I ever talked to my affiliate.

The only reason I even wrote him in the first place was because he's from a country that we used to ban 10 years ago. But now those webmasters are playing by the rules. But with no referring urls' except google...I wanted to know what the fuck was going on. Wanted to make sure there was no affiliate scamming going on.

When he told me that he had the top spot...I came on here basically to say: "Hey, if you work hard and get a top spot on Google you'll make money"

I had no other ulterior motives at all.

As for my "poor" seo work. Yes, it was. I've always had enough traffic that I didn't really care about Search Engines. But over the last couple of weeks (again BEFORE this affiliate) I had begun doing some reading.

And everyone that knows me, knows that I'm a pretty quick study. So I realized that the text I write is EXACTLY what Google wants. I'm a good writer. Probably one of my best attributes.

So, I got with my graphics guy about a week ago and told him what I wanted to do. He is recovering from a heart attack that he suffered about a month ago...so he took a few days to get the graphics together for us to make the change.

But we got it done yesterday.

And today? My site's tour link is now the number one spot. No ref codes. Just my site.

So going by the logic of some people on here...I should now be pissed off at myself. I just gave away my "secret". And now somebody else will knock me out of my number 1 position.

Cool. Go ahead if you can. I'm not in a competition with seo "gurus". I just wanted to get the text off of my graphics so google would "see" me better.

But again...I am not convinced by anyone on here that I gave away anybodies "secret". My intentions were never malicious. And the result wasn't either. I didn't hurt my affiliate by bragging about his accomplishment anymore than Lightspeed did by giving me a motorcycle and publicizing it everywhere.

If anything, I made that affiliate some money by busting my ass being the writer, videographer, photographer, editor, designer, uploader, tech, and most importantly promoter of Claudia-Marie.Com ...so that when traffic does come from Google or an affiliate link, it WILL convert and retain.

I don't know much about SEO, but I don't think that receiving the number one spot for 'claudia-marie' is any kind of accomplishment when your DOMAIN is www.claudia-marie.com - I would freak the fuck out if the exact search term of any of my .com domains were not the first result in google :1orglaugh

I still don't think you seem to realize that you're congratulating someone for stealing direct sales, yes stealing

The purpose of having affiliates that receive 50% commissions is that they're likely to bring sales to your website that you would otherwise not get if you did not have affiliates, amirite?

How does someone taking over your number one spot in google and sending FuCKLoAdS of salez!!! have anything to do with that? It's a search engine, not a banner/advertisement

If this affiliate had SEO'd to get the number one spot for "milf big tits" or something like that, and was sending all of that traffic to claudia-marie, that would be something worth congratulating him for

And I've been doing this full time for 7 years now (anniversary was last month).. yah ok, your dick is bigger than mine.. big fucking deal... Do I go to shows? no.. Do I talk to a lot of people? no, only those that are important to what I do... Do I post on board a lot? these days a lot more but not back when I started and for several years afterwards as I was too busy working and didn't give a shit about boards... Do we know each other? No.. Although I "think" maybe years back we might have had a traffic trade that didn't work out..

You say that someone has got the #1 spot for the term claudia marie and is sending a lot of sales and you don't get it?? Seriously? A lot of SEO people on here that saw that would have been pulling up the SERPs and every other tool out there to see how the guy got it and to see how they could take it away from him.. It's not that he had the #1 spot, it's that he was making a lot of money from it and that your site was so weak that it was ripe for exploiting... But if you don't get it then you never will. Surprised though, I expect that sort of mental block from program operators that have never been affiliates. Or maybe it's that SEO people are a lot more sensitive about that sort of thing... However, if you've paid attention on the boards you will have seen affiliates getting pissed off about programs sharing their traffic sources with other affiliates...

Tempest...what you are saying would make sense IF the guy was going after some arcane keyword and had some super secret. He didn't.

He was going after my wifes name. How much of a secret is that? I didn't want to argue with people about anything. I was just saying "hey, this guy is proving that google traffic kicks ass"

And I have no idea what seo people are sensitive about. If I somehow revealed the holy grail by saying "You can make a lot of sales by getting number one for a site" then I would say that would be underestimating people's intelligence.

I just think you're plain wrong on this. I didn't reveal a damn thing that isn't already blatantly obvious.

And yeah, I see affiliates starting to panic. Most of the big sites that we used to make bank with aren't converting at all anymore.

People can get those same experiences from a tube site and see the entire members areas ripped there.

I know it's harder for a lot of guys who have only been in the business for as long as you and shorter to make money...and as I said, I'm not out to try to hurt anybodies money, especially my own affiliates. That's why I have spent a small fortune working to keep our shit out of the tubes and torrents. And that's why our site is interactive with members, and that's why I personally do all the work instead of outsourcing.

It's very competitive. But I STILL don't see how I gave away anything or hurt my affiliate.

I guess I just thought that anybody that is in this business would know that a top spot is gold for even the smallest of paysites. And I'll tell you all a big secret right here...There's more money in the smaller more personal websites these days.

At least the hardcore ones. Never can seem to get my traffic to convert much on the softcore and girl/girl stuff...but that could just be me. But you find a site that fits well with your traffic and it's a solo girl who fucks? You WILL make sales.

Not like the "old days", but you WILL make sales. And that's more than I can say I make with some of the biggest names in the business over the last 6 months.

You know, I usually think that most people know their shit and operate at a certain level. But from what you guys are telling me...if I can just say that one of my affiliates got a top spot and is making bank, and that is somehow a crime on my part to say that....Well, that makes me think that maybe there are a lot of guys out there who just do not know what they're doing.

That is no secret at all. At least I can't see how it could possibly be. My apologies if that was something I shouldn't have said.

P.S.: I wasn't trying to say that my dick was bigger...I was just trying to say that "Yes" I have PLENTY of experience as an affiliate in this biz. So I definitely see the affiliates position.

Isn't greed fun folks? Let's keep playing!

his spot is totally gone now, good job

What does that mean? "greed"? I LOVE making money.

Uhh...if you would stop trying to be a fucking drama queen you will somehow reach into your selective memory and remember this from this very thread:
And then YOU responded with:

WTF?!?!? Since you already knew the guy had fucked himself you STILL have to make a disrespectful remark. Such a very common thing for you to do.

His blog spam had "nofollow" so that did not get him the Google spot. Why has his top Google position gone within hours after this thread ?

one hunnred greedy sponsors :)

and you'll do anything to make more... that's a little more than just "making" money :)

it sounds like the affiliate didn't mind telling him his traffic source, so who is to blame really... :2 cents:

If he happens to see this thread, he will learn...

I love the way people jump all over threads like these to argue, and then it ends up full of juicy info because people loooove to brag. :1orglaugh

What the fuck are you talking about? :1orglaugh I didn't do ANYTHING. I wish I could meet half of you people so you would know the kind of person that I am. I'm really starting to wonder about some of YOU. I have already written LOOOONNNNG and boring ass replies explaining exactly what happened.

But yet you still carry on with disrespect and drama. What's the point? Yes, I do like money. No I wouldn't do "anything" to make it. I'm obviously not on the same level as a genius like you who somehow thinks that having the number one spot for your own fucking site is a crime. You know what...Fuck it. Keep on thinking the way you do. And I'll keep on working hard and loving life.

Jesus...I don't even understand where you are coming from with that comment. WHAT is a "little more than making money" WHAT? :1orglaugh Having my own spot? Or was it "revealing" to all these geniuses that a top spot is worth money? This is just getting downright stupid.

I'm glad that you guys have given me something to do while rendering these vids to h2646today. But damn...some of your board personas sound like some of the most miserable and unhappy people in the world. I hope you're not like that in real life.

Speaking of bragging...nice job on your site...BWAAHHAHAHAHAHAHA

Just fucking with ya cherrylula :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

The fact that Robbie needlessly keeps bumping this thread:

a) exposes him as a bigger idiot than initially thought

b) made me realise this whole thread was just one big jip to try and increase exposure to his sites / program

I guess he believes the old adage that negative publicity is better than none.

So just to highlight one reason why telling everyone about this type of thing is a bad idea..... and no, not all solo chicks that do hardcore make bank or even have decent SE traffic... claudia is hot right now but that will fade, it always does....

Everyone now knows that claudia marie has some decent SE traffic and that the SERPs are "soft". So anyone that can do some decent black or white hat SEO can attempt to take over the top 10 listings for a whole variety of phrases.. but what to promote..... hmmmm.. let's see.. How about the $50 PPS on incredible dollars using the claudia marie episode? or maybe just score-cash sites? doesn't bazzers PPS have an episode? haven't kept up with Nasty or BBO but maybe they do as well... or maybe some asswipe will use it to promote a page of fake videos to install fake video codecs in order to build up their botnet...

There's a lot to be said for keeping ones mouth shut about certain things.. You only need to have been burned once or twice like this to have learned the lesson.

Robbie,
Get your own terms back. I'd do the same thing any day. Matter of fact I warn affiliates that they probably won't be keeping those sales if they try that sort of method.

They can find better ways to promote. Buying a company or girl term or organic even isn't "affiliate" promotion it's just free money.

Fuck that. Get those sales inhouse.

an affiliate having their affiliate links on their own sites is the way affiliates are supposed to promote

an affiliate that spams their direct affiliate link all over the net is not ok and they should not be paid anything and should have their account closed :2 cents:

Does that mean you will not pay them or that their listings will not last long?

Wrong Tempest. The serps were "soft" I have repeatedly said over and over that I have been working on that for the last week or so. Basically just moving my text from graphics to real text was all it took. And go ahead and promote I$ with Claudia-Marie. And no, there isn't anything on Score or Brazzers. Let me help you find it all so you can promote it if you'd like:
Claudia-Marie shot her very first 3 scenes with Naughty America in Feb. of 2007 I had her do that to prove to her what her value was and because Mark is an old friend of mine.

I opened her site at the beginning of May of 2008. The NA stuff wasn't even released yet at that point.

Her site exploded immediately. Not because she was "hot right now" but because of the people in this business who know me and promoted it when I contacted them personally, and also because she has a certain "it" factor that the big tit guys love. You can't create that, it's either there or it ain't.

Then Glenn contacted me about shooting her for Incredible Dollars. I told him that we weren't really interested because she's not a model for hire. But after a while Glenn and I became friends. We put together a deal where we shared some content, including a scene with the just returning porn legend Minka. So Claudia-Marie shot a couple of scenes for Incredible and we shared a scene with Minka.

I also shot a shared content scene with porn legend Kayla Kleevage and Claudia-Marie at Internext in Vegas in Jan. of 08

Claudia-Marie can also be found in a POV scene at my friend Sebastian Sands program that we shot in May. And yes, there were some behind the scenes biz reasons there too.

And last but not least...I shot a scene that I shared with Dirty D for his SlutWifeTraining site during the XBiz show in Vegas this summer of 08

Those are the only scenes she has shot for anyone else for. Matter of fact Erasmo at Score and I just went round and round as they are wanting to shoot her very badly, but we just don't have time to get back down to Miami with me in the middle of moving to Vegas and sponsoring at the Atlanta Forum.

Please...feel free to do all of the search engine magic that anyone reading this wants and send it to Naughty America and I$ and the rest. It won't make one bit of difference.

They still seek and find her site. Scoff if you want. I am only telling you what happens and the numbers don't lie.

I don't need to "keep my mouth shut" Perhaps that is wise for a lot of people. But what I have is a world of experience, the right connections, and a unique interactive product that I have taken huge and expensive steps over the last 2 months to make sure that it is as close to exclusive in her members area as possible.

It won't matter if they join one of my friends sites. It won't matter if "some asswipe will use it to promote a page of fake videos to install fake video codecs in order to build up their botnet" because that will only be temporary.

I have a very good grasp of what I'm doing here and you would all be shocked at the loyalty of a great solo girls members. They want to see what she's done this week. They aren't just satisfied with finding one or two old episodes here and there. These guys aren't "surfers" They are creatures of habit who know what they like and how they like it.

So no, I'm not concerned that somehow I have destroyed myself by leaking out that Claudia-Marie's site is hot. That's already very well known by just about everyone I know. And no...once again I don't think that anybody was shocked that a top spot for a hot site can payoff.

Brother, I'm not gonna learn any lessons here. Believe me, after everything I've done I've already been taught a shitload of very painful lessons in this business. And I'm a good learner. Bottom line for me is that the niche of people that want a certain thing are never satisfied with a substitution.

And where you said: "no, not all solo chicks that do hardcore make bank" I totally agree with you. 99.9% of them don't. That's why the few that do are gold.

And again, I don't mind saying these things out here in the open. I've spent most of my career in this business helping other people to make money too. There are a lot of guys on here who reached out to me when they were small and I was running Ampland.com and between Amp, Grampland.Com, and ShavedGoat.Com I had around 1.2 million uniques of REAL traffic...meaning actual surfers who came to me everyday of their own free will. So when a guy emailed me and said "Hey I'm just starting out can you help me with my paysite" I would actually personally take the time to look at it. And if my dick got hard and I liked the content and the personality of the site...yeah I pushed it.

And no, at first those sites weren't making me shit...especially compared to the big boys at that time. But you know what? I didn't care. I had plenty of room and traffic to promote everybody that I chose to.

And that shit paid off for me in spades as the years went by and the people grew their sites. And it still does and it still will. So take what I'm saying it and use it if you want. Or don't if you don't believe me. Either way I'm going to keep working my ass off and making money and taking care of my family.

Thanks for the tips:winkwink::1orglaugh

No problem. As I said. I don't mind helping people if they want it. It really isn't gonna effect my money or my business relationships that I don't talk about here...either way. :)

Oh while I'm at it DBS.US here is another tip: Your http://www.dbs.us/ site that you have linked up to that lightspeed banner doesn't come up here.

I never heard of her. Is she hot?

For sales if you have big tit traffic...yes. For personal pleasure...if you are a guy that likes big tits and a big round ass, then yes. But that is subjective :)

Damn DBS.US....I have another tip for you. Not only is that dbs.us site down that you have linked to a lightspeed banner BUT your worldvices site has all the images hotlinked from Imageshack and they are all broken images.

Wow. Why did you want any tips from me?