Robbie, is this your affiliate?

http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache...lnk&cd=2&gl=us

every one of your posts I read gets dumber and dumber.
so if one guy invests 200 bucks in buying links and shit, and it takes his site in #1 position he's the bad guy...
You and AlienQ are the two most clueless idiots on this board.

Don't you get it? Blimey you must be thick.

Nobody would begrudge him optimising his site, but to actually post a keyword phrase that a smart affiliate has managed to seo his link to the top of the serps is just fucking dumb. Especially in here where there are thousands of affiliates who now know about it.

I agree with you there. I wouldn't like for this kinda info to be pointed out as an affiliate either. My post was directed at those who it seemed to be going after him for the SEO-ing thing.

How in the world did you come to that conclusion man? I never said the guy in the top position is the bad guy. What I said is that I find no fault in this robbie character to optimize his site to achieve the top spot.

Dumb in-fucking-deed.

if the sponsor had looked at his logs and looked at the referrers he wouldn't have needed the affiliate to tell him

I'd be curious if the affiliate is sending any joins from his own pages, or is it all just from that google link? If the guy is doing good work maybe give him a bonus, but the join page should be expected to be fixed up and the affiliate should be happy that he made alot in the meantime :2 cents:

Men go ahead... What the fuck is wrong if you get ranked #1

Affiliates should be working harder to get above you !!

GREAT JOB

thats not you first post where you come up as complete assneck.. nothing personal. we need people like you.

no disagreement with that, and if it was his own site then even more power to him, but this case is about a link to the sponsor's site that is only showing up in #1 position on google because the sponsor has his subdomain set up poorly

if the affiliate were to get his own site to #1 for that keyword, then that is a different story

and nobody is "the bad guy" in this thing, it is what it is, the sponsor needs to fix his own site because everybody should, and google will do what google will do, no big drama necessary

I do a lot of blatant trolling here, No arguement about that here. But this isn't one of those times.:winkwink:

I have hard time differentiating.. Most of your posts are on 8th grade level.

Haha.. wow. Let me spell this out for you..
Remember this post? you know the one that you attack me for?
It was directed at these type of posts:

In my opinion it IS NOT underhanded for the main site owner to want to acheive the top spot.. even over his own affiliate.. for his own site. that is not underhanded! that is pure, good old fashion competition and business. and as far as I see it... Completely fair.

What are you thinking comming in here and posting that ?

OK, I TAKE BACK MY "THERE IS NO BAD GUY IN THIS"


looking into this "brilliant SEO" that some people are crediting this guy for, it is looking more to me that some might say that the Sponsor should freeze the payments on this guy for spamming when they read my next post.....

check out my next post I am about to put together... (just to leave a moment of suspense here :1orglaugh)

No its not. I have one link directly from sponsors site with my ref code in it that has been in #2 position for really, I mean really hot key word combo. It has been placed on my paysite review site 2 times. Once as review and another time as banner link. This link alone is making me close to 500 a month. I didn’t do any tweaking or extra SEO works on it. Pure luck and google..

HERE IS THE GROUNDBREAKING INFORMATION THAT BLOWS THIS AFFILIATES SEO RIGHT OUT OF THE WATER:


go to this blog (some innocent guy's blog by the way, he is the victim of some spam)

http://blog.9star.com/archives/2007/...l-you-madness/

scroll down the page for the infamous keywords "Claudia Marie" that we are wondering about

see that!?!! the affiliate link, put as a comment on a completely unrelated blog

now what do you think? seems to me that kind of linking is against almost every TOS on any reputable sponsors programs

Well said Robbie! :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

This term gets maybe 2000 clicks a day and most are searching for the name, not the porn milf, what this thread is is a clever way to get more affiliates

I’m out of here.. Too many TubeClick banners. “Talking to sig whores” alarm is going off big time.

notice in that long line of spam that there are a whole bunch of affiliate links in a row that all look the same, presumably all the same guy promoting a bunch of programs through comment spamming, the other programs involved might want to look at that

Always with the attacks.. always. haha..

^LOL.

So we have an imbercile program owner and a blog spamming affiliate, a marriage made in heaven :1orglaugh

amazing, how were you able to find that?

Did you notice the "nofollow" ?

<p><a href="http://join.claudia-marie.com/track/NjU3OjI6NQ/" rel="nofollow">Claudia Marie</a>

the real story should be that sponsors should read their logs and find out where their affiliates are sending their traffic from, it is not too difficult, and especially if a guy starts to send you alot of signups they should do some checking... it is all a part of knowing your business (but in his defence, it is another example of how there is alot more to know about the porn business than shooting some video and putting up a site... but everyone learns from their mistakes)

this sponsor is lucky he wasn't offering $40 pps and got the attention of some real scammers :2 cents:

I did see the logs. That's why I wrote the guy to begin with. The only URL refs are google.

Bro you're speaking out of pure conjecture. You have no idea how much Claudia-Marie is searched and/or how popular she is. Milfs are HUGE right now. And big tits are even bigger (no pun intended) And Claudia-Marie's site is one of the most successful in the world. I only opened it a little over a year ago. To make a statement like that is just foolish. Nobody is just going to Google and searching for a name like "Claudia-Marie" without a good reason.

I got rich doing that back in the day. I say just take the guys traffic back...Google has a good eye for the "official" site these days.

ok, my apologies

Robbie...hit me up on ICQ and I'll tell you how to have the #1 spot back by the next update if not sooner

I don't want to give some of the other idiots free SEO advice on the boards

Thanks Jay...honestly I don't mind my affiliate getting that number one spot. If somebody can pull that off, more power to them. But I had already began the process of working on optimizing my search engine stuff for the site last week. My graphics guy finally got the new images I needed last night and we got the text off the images and onto the page itself as "real" text.

I'm not trying to hurt my own affiliate. I was sort of impressed at what he did and being an old school guy...and remembering when it used to be cool when a program gave me a public pat on the back for a job well done, I had no idea I would be crucified by some people that I don't even know on here.

Hell, I have no idea if half these people who are calling me an idiot are even in this business and/or how successful they are. So, I'll just leave it at: No, I don't think that saying an affiliate garnered the top spot on Google for my wife's name for her site of the same name is giving away any "secrets" I can't even fathom the thinking that would lead to that conclusion or that somehow I have "fucked over' my affiliates.

BUT, if ONE person that I know in this business and respect comes on here and says: "Robbie you fucked up by saying one of your affiliates has a top Google spot for your website" Well, then I WILL listen to that person. But so far, everyone who has attacked me in this thread are people that in 10 years of running a content company, one of the biggest tgps' in the world, and now a paysite...I'm unaware of what any of them do... And the people who have sort of "defended" me in this thread are pretty much all successful players in the biz.

I'm not trying to be disrespectful to the people on here that called me a "prick" and a "douchebag" and followed up by telling me how successful they are as affiliates and how they would never work with me because I'm obviously a piece of shit...but come on you guys. I'd like to know who you are and if ANY of you have ever been a whale. I have.

Hmm interesting... anyways i'm going back to video editing for a while now :)

I have similar problems with my affiliates. Hitting you up on ICQ Jay.

Witch TGP do you own. I would like to talk to you.

Wait a minute dude....If you weren't posting on this board, I wouldn't even know who the fuck you are.....Does that mean that you don't get traffic? Hell no.....The same with others.....There's plenty of people on here getting traffic and just because someone that we don't know doesn't know somebody else, it doesn't validate or degrade from what one is actually doing....

Wired Guy for instance is reputed to have a lot of search engine traffic.....Does the fact that I have absolutely no idea what sites he runs except like one or what he actually does make him an assclown?....He isn't a successful player?

Fuck man there's a LOT of us on here getting traffic...Just because YOU don't know about it doesn't make it any less volumous.....

Jesus Christ....

BVF you are just looking for anything to argue about.

I'm gonna stay on topic...My POINT is that coming on here and saying "Hey I think it's cool that an affiliate figured out a way to get the number one spot on google for my site and is making good money off of it" Is NOT a crime.

As far as who has what or has done what...you know damn well what I'm talking about. I'm referring to all the faceless surfers on here who pretend they are in this business and prattle on about "mainstream" and how "successful" they are...and yet don't have ANY credentials.

And yes, I am aware that you are down in puerto rico or wherever and have never had any reason to cross paths with me in business. That's fine. BUT, the majority of people who were around 10 + years have ALL done business with me. Both traffic and as an affiliate or going back to 98 to 2002 buying content from me. That is what I'm saying. So please stop trying to bring even more drama to a thread that should have never had any.

This is why I love Yahoo...

Your ref code has replaced mine a few times for a few Nasty sites.

It sucked.

Don't count on it sticking though.. I've had some of those in the past and typically google will eventually drop them.

oops.. looks like it's allready gone..

Without reading this entire clusterfuck of a thread, I am confused as to why you would be congratulating an affiliate for taking the number one spot for a direct search word for your site/domain

How the hell could this result in you getting more sales?

If someone searches claudia-marie, and are looking for your website, they should be taken to your website vs. any affiliate website as the number one spot on google.

This sounds more like piss poor seo on your part, than congratulating an 'affiliate' for stealing what should be direct sales... rofl....

No shit.. I told another "outspoken" small program operator the same thing awhile ago.. Asked him why the hell he was letting review sites take over the top listings for his sites and thus the revenue. I told him that he should be working on "owning" most of top 10 for his own sites... It was like a revelation for him and yet to me it just seems to be common sense.

Robbie - The issues isn't that you bragged about some affiliate making you tons of sales. It was that you gave out information about how he was doing it... If I was an affiliate of yours that had spent a lot of time and money on getting you a bunch of traffic and then you went and shared that with everyone else so they could then figure out what I did and try and duplicate all my work, I'd be pretty fucking pissed off with you and wouldn't put anymore work into promoting your sites. It shows a complete lack of respect for the efforts affiliates put into promoting your sites in this highly competitive business. But go ahead and make some comment about how you don't know me and so my comments mean nothing.. I have a LOT of traffic (big tit, milf, "chubby") I could be sending Claudia Marie but because you don't know me and have trivialized me based on that in the past, I don't think you'll ever get any of it.

Tempest, I have been an affiliate myself for more years than most of the guys in this thread put together. I didn't see where I gave away any "secrets" I see NOTHING wrong in saying that an affiliate secured a to spot on a search engine. So what? That's not a "secret" that I'm giving away. I don't even KNOW how he did it. Much less give away this great "secret"

As I said earlier in this thread...a few years ago I won a motorcycle from Lightspeed because I sent so many joins. There was no "secret" to it. I had the traffic and the quality of traffic. Nobody could take what I did. I am still not quite understanding the concept of saying it's fucking someone over by saying: "Hey, if you get the number one spot for a paysite you will make money." Fucking DUH

Finally, I also made it very clear in the beginning that I had begun the process of putting the text (That I PERSONALLY write) on the page and off of the graphic. We had been working on that for about 5 days BEFORE I ever talked to my affiliate.

The only reason I even wrote him in the first place was because he's from a country that we used to ban 10 years ago. But now those webmasters are playing by the rules. But with no referring urls' except google...I wanted to know what the fuck was going on. Wanted to make sure there was no affiliate scamming going on.

When he told me that he had the top spot...I came on here basically to say: "Hey, if you work hard and get a top spot on Google you'll make money"

I had no other ulterior motives at all.

As for my "poor" seo work. Yes, it was. I've always had enough traffic that I didn't really care about Search Engines. But over the last couple of weeks (again BEFORE this affiliate) I had begun doing some reading.

And everyone that knows me, knows that I'm a pretty quick study. So I realized that the text I write is EXACTLY what Google wants. I'm a good writer. Probably one of my best attributes.

So, I got with my graphics guy about a week ago and told him what I wanted to do. He is recovering from a heart attack that he suffered about a month ago...so he took a few days to get the graphics together for us to make the change.

But we got it done yesterday.

And today? My site's tour link is now the number one spot. No ref codes. Just my site.

So going by the logic of some people on here...I should now be pissed off at myself. I just gave away my "secret". And now somebody else will knock me out of my number 1 position.

Cool. Go ahead if you can. I'm not in a competition with seo "gurus". I just wanted to get the text off of my graphics so google would "see" me better.

But again...I am not convinced by anyone on here that I gave away anybodies "secret". My intentions were never malicious. And the result wasn't either. I didn't hurt my affiliate by bragging about his accomplishment anymore than Lightspeed did by giving me a motorcycle and publicizing it everywhere.

If anything, I made that affiliate some money by busting my ass being the writer, videographer, photographer, editor, designer, uploader, tech, and most importantly promoter of Claudia-Marie.Com ...so that when traffic does come from Google or an affiliate link, it WILL convert and retain.

I don't know much about SEO, but I don't think that receiving the number one spot for 'claudia-marie' is any kind of accomplishment when your DOMAIN is www.claudia-marie.com - I would freak the fuck out if the exact search term of any of my .com domains were not the first result in google :1orglaugh

I still don't think you seem to realize that you're congratulating someone for stealing direct sales, yes stealing

The purpose of having affiliates that receive 50&#37; commissions is that they're likely to bring sales to your website that you would otherwise not get if you did not have affiliates, amirite?

How does someone taking over your number one spot in google and sending FuCKLoAdS of salez!!! have anything to do with that? It's a search engine, not a banner/advertisement

If this affiliate had SEO'd to get the number one spot for "milf big tits" or something like that, and was sending all of that traffic to claudia-marie, that would be something worth congratulating him for

And I've been doing this full time for 7 years now (anniversary was last month).. yah ok, your dick is bigger than mine.. big fucking deal... Do I go to shows? no.. Do I talk to a lot of people? no, only those that are important to what I do... Do I post on board a lot? these days a lot more but not back when I started and for several years afterwards as I was too busy working and didn't give a shit about boards... Do we know each other? No.. Although I "think" maybe years back we might have had a traffic trade that didn't work out..

You say that someone has got the #1 spot for the term claudia marie and is sending a lot of sales and you don't get it?? Seriously? A lot of SEO people on here that saw that would have been pulling up the SERPs and every other tool out there to see how the guy got it and to see how they could take it away from him.. It's not that he had the #1 spot, it's that he was making a lot of money from it and that your site was so weak that it was ripe for exploiting... But if you don't get it then you never will. Surprised though, I expect that sort of mental block from program operators that have never been affiliates. Or maybe it's that SEO people are a lot more sensitive about that sort of thing... However, if you've paid attention on the boards you will have seen affiliates getting pissed off about programs sharing their traffic sources with other affiliates...

Tempest...what you are saying would make sense IF the guy was going after some arcane keyword and had some super secret. He didn't.

He was going after my wifes name. How much of a secret is that? I didn't want to argue with people about anything. I was just saying "hey, this guy is proving that google traffic kicks ass"

And I have no idea what seo people are sensitive about. If I somehow revealed the holy grail by saying "You can make a lot of sales by getting number one for a site" then I would say that would be underestimating people's intelligence.

I just think you're plain wrong on this. I didn't reveal a damn thing that isn't already blatantly obvious.

And yeah, I see affiliates starting to panic. Most of the big sites that we used to make bank with aren't converting at all anymore.

People can get those same experiences from a tube site and see the entire members areas ripped there.

I know it's harder for a lot of guys who have only been in the business for as long as you and shorter to make money...and as I said, I'm not out to try to hurt anybodies money, especially my own affiliates. That's why I have spent a small fortune working to keep our shit out of the tubes and torrents. And that's why our site is interactive with members, and that's why I personally do all the work instead of outsourcing.

It's very competitive. But I STILL don't see how I gave away anything or hurt my affiliate.

I guess I just thought that anybody that is in this business would know that a top spot is gold for even the smallest of paysites. And I'll tell you all a big secret right here...There's more money in the smaller more personal websites these days.

At least the hardcore ones. Never can seem to get my traffic to convert much on the softcore and girl/girl stuff...but that could just be me. But you find a site that fits well with your traffic and it's a solo girl who fucks? You WILL make sales.

Not like the "old days", but you WILL make sales. And that's more than I can say I make with some of the biggest names in the business over the last 6 months.

You know, I usually think that most people know their shit and operate at a certain level. But from what you guys are telling me...if I can just say that one of my affiliates got a top spot and is making bank, and that is somehow a crime on my part to say that....Well, that makes me think that maybe there are a lot of guys out there who just do not know what they're doing.

That is no secret at all. At least I can't see how it could possibly be. My apologies if that was something I shouldn't have said.

P.S.: I wasn't trying to say that my dick was bigger...I was just trying to say that "Yes" I have PLENTY of experience as an affiliate in this biz. So I definitely see the affiliates position.

Isn't greed fun folks? Let's keep playing!

his spot is totally gone now, good job

What does that mean? "greed"? I LOVE making money.

Uhh...if you would stop trying to be a fucking drama queen you will somehow reach into your selective memory and remember this from this very thread:
And then YOU responded with:

WTF?!?!? Since you already knew the guy had fucked himself you STILL have to make a disrespectful remark. Such a very common thing for you to do.

His blog spam had "nofollow" so that did not get him the Google spot. Why has his top Google position gone within hours after this thread ?