Hey guys, I have a quick question regarding the legality of buying amateur content... - GoFuckYourself.com

jgabra62 · 08-12-2008, 09:06 AM

So, Im about to purchase a bunch of amateur content from someone I met here on GFY. I asked him to send me any sort of disclaimer or something like that stating that this content is licensed or at least legal for me to use freely and way I like.
He says, I am able to use this content freely because it was collected from tons of various user submitted forums, sites, and social networking sites.
IS THAT TRUE?

Can anyone here show me where I can go to read up on something like this? Is there anything written that says I can freely use content that has been user submitted?
I am just trying to cover my ass, I dont wanna get in any trouble once I start using this stuff.

PSSuperstars · 08-12-2008, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by jgabra62

So, Im about to purchase a bunch of amateur content from someone I met here on GFY. I asked him to send me any sort of disclaimer or something like that stating that this content is licensed or at least legal for me to use freely and way I like.
He says, I am able to use this content freely because it was collected from tons of various user submitted forums, sites, and social networking sites.
IS THAT TRUE?

Can anyone here show me where I can go to read up on something like this? Is there anything written that says I can freely use content that has been user submitted?
I am just trying to cover my ass, I dont wanna get in any trouble once I start using this stuff.

So when the DOJ knocks on your door for proof of age, identity, and legality, you gonna give them this dudes number?

Dennis Rodman · 08-12-2008, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by PSSuperstars

So when the DOJ knocks on your door for proof of age, identity, and legality, you gonna give them this dudes number?

Exactly. Unless you have your prrof of age (copies of IDs and what not), as well as permission you COULD be fucked.

Most TOS state that images kept on a site (such as Myspace, Facebook, FUBAR, etc) state that all images and whatnot are intellectual property of the site they were originally posted on.

This is not to mention the fact that if someone was to come across their own image, or even worse a co-worker or friend of someone in the image. The original picture object could turn around and sue you for a million different reasons. Defamation, copyright, etc.

Good luck. It doesn't surprise me that you met another scammer on GFY

gleem · 08-12-2008, 09:31 AM

completely 100% illegal!!!!!!

YOU WILL GOTO JAIL.

PERIOD

END OF STORY.

gleem · 08-12-2008, 09:33 AM

And on top of it the majority of "submitted" content is just stuff stolen from paysites.... so you will not only not be able to prove the content is of legal age, but you will also get DCMA'd out the ass by a bunch of sponsor programs....

BradM · 08-12-2008, 09:46 AM

LOL... the legality of it? That's sort of funny.

Has common sense escaped us THAT bad now?

seeandsee · 08-12-2008, 09:49 AM

Just buy "fake" amateur content!

Barefootsies · 08-12-2008, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by PSSuperstars

So when the DOJ knocks on your door for proof of age, identity, and legality, you gonna give them this dudes number?

notime · 08-12-2008, 10:05 AM

license agreements look like this:
http://www.adultcontent.nl/shopnew/L...t-A-sp-21.html

2257 means; having it in your office when shit goes wrong! (copy ID + approval from model to use the content)

Verbal agreements don't work these days.

Get stuff from people with knowledge & excellent reputation that have been in business for many years where you can get references from.
These people cover your ass when shit goes wrong instead of leaving you hanging to dry

jgabra62 · 08-12-2008, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by seeandsee

Just buy "fake" amateur content!

Id be happy to buy 'fake' amateur content!
Can you suggest any places I can go to get sexy non-nude licensed content?

Anna_Miller · 08-12-2008, 10:21 AM

OMG! I'm gald you didn't pay for it already!

Anna_Miller · 08-12-2008, 10:23 AM

Basically this guy is probably selling stolen content. Bet the profit margin is nice!

jgabra62 · 08-12-2008, 10:40 AM

Thanks for the heads up guys...I knew I could count on you.

stickyfingerz · 08-12-2008, 09:46 PM

You mean that sale that Jdavis has in the buy sell forum?

RobAlbaugh · 08-12-2008, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by notime

license agreements look like this:
http://www.adultcontent.nl/shopnew/L...t-A-sp-21.html

2257 means; having it in your office when shit goes wrong! (copy ID + approval from model to use the content)

Verbal agreements don't work these days.

Get stuff from people with knowledge & excellent reputation that have been in business for many years where you can get references from.
These people cover your ass when shit goes wrong instead of leaving you hanging to dry

I have a question about your TOS.

"7.1a Licensor warrants that all models appearing in the content were eighteen years of age or older at the time the photographs or
videos were made and that the licensor has contracts with the content providers/photographers/cameramen/distributors that they
have these ID records and model releases in their offices. These documents can and will not be made publicly by us to protect the
models identity, address and real name as is the law in some countries where the productions were shot and by our choice too. In
the event any authorities have reason to believe a model is below 18 years, we then will request the ID & model releases from the
producers against a to be arranged hourly fee for all the paperwork and man hours. This we can solely in the case you can show us
a written request from the government. "

Do you actually charge your customers if they come to you with a request for the 2257 docs because the government wants to verify? I am pretty sure the government isn't going to pay you to provide the documentation. Your customer shouldn't have to pay you either since you aren't making available to them to cover their asses.

Correct me if I read that wrong.

notime · 08-13-2008, 01:25 AM

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Originally Posted by RobAlbaugh

I have a question about your TOS.

"7.1a Licensor warrants that all models appearing in the content were eighteen years of age or older at the time the photographs or
videos were made and that the licensor has contracts with the content providers/photographers/cameramen/distributors that they
have these ID records and model releases in their offices. These documents can and will not be made publicly by us to protect the
models identity, address and real name as is the law in some countries where the productions were shot and by our choice too. In
the event any authorities have reason to believe a model is below 18 years, we then will request the ID & model releases from the
producers against a to be arranged hourly fee for all the paperwork and man hours. This we can solely in the case you can show us
a written request from the government. "

Do you actually charge your customers if they come to you with a request for the 2257 docs because the government wants to verify? I am pretty sure the government isn't going to pay you to provide the documentation. Your customer shouldn't have to pay you either since you aren't making available to them to cover their asses.

Correct me if I read that wrong.

The text is quite old (back from the days where all was only on paper)
Offcourse we don't charge for it

I should get that out of the agreement, you're right. Thanks for the tip

Paul Markham · 08-13-2008, 02:24 AM

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7.1a Licensor warrants that all models appearing in the content were eighteen years of age or older at the time the photographs or videos were made and that the licensor has contracts with the content providers/photographers/cameramen/distributors that they
have these ID records and model releases in their offices. These documents can and will not be made publicly by us to protect the models identity, address and real name as is the law in some countries where the productions were shot and by our choice too.
In the event any authorities have reason to believe a model is below 18 years, we then will request the ID & model releases from the producers against a to be arranged hourly fee for all the paperwork and man hours.
This we can solely in the case you can show us a written request from the government.

You don't have the IDs or give them to your clients?

AdultMovies.bz · 08-13-2008, 02:34 AM

illegal, wouldn't touch it with a 6ft pole, and im a 6ft Pole.

RobAlbaugh · 08-13-2008, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by notime

The text is quite old (back from the days where all was only on paper)
Offcourse we don't charge for it

I should get that out of the agreement, you're right. Thanks for the tip

Glad to have helped. I just thought that would be certain suicide for the content customer.

CS-Jay · 08-13-2008, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by gleem

completely 100% illegal!!!!!!

YOU WILL GOTO JAIL.

PERIOD

END OF STORY.

+1

jgabra62 · 08-13-2008, 09:40 AM

So, where can I go to get 'realistic' non-nude amateur content?

notime · 08-13-2008, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

You don't have the IDs or give them to your clients?

When we have them in our office we supply them to our clients upon request (some are even included already in the .zip depending on what kind of content it is).
If they are not available or older the july 1st 1995, it says so on the page where the product details are so clients know this BEFORE they buy.

08-12-2008, 09:06 AM	#1
jgabra62 Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 1,396	Hey guys, I have a quick question regarding the legality of buying amateur content... So, Im about to purchase a bunch of amateur content from someone I met here on GFY. I asked him to send me any sort of disclaimer or something like that stating that this content is licensed or at least legal for me to use freely and way I like. He says, I am able to use this content freely because it was collected from tons of various user submitted forums, sites, and social networking sites. IS THAT TRUE? Can anyone here show me where I can go to read up on something like this? Is there anything written that says I can freely use content that has been user submitted? I am just trying to cover my ass, I dont wanna get in any trouble once I start using this stuff. __________________ Joey 'J-Gabz' Gabra NMS Productions USA, LLC [email protected] Skype: jgabra62

08-12-2008, 09:31 AM	#4
gleem Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Sunny Land Posts: 5,593	completely 100% illegal!!!!!! YOU WILL GOTO JAIL. PERIOD END OF STORY. __________________ Contact me: \\// E: webmaster /at/ unprofessional.com

08-12-2008, 09:33 AM	#5
gleem Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Sunny Land Posts: 5,593	And on top of it the majority of "submitted" content is just stuff stolen from paysites.... so you will not only not be able to prove the content is of legal age, but you will also get DCMA'd out the ass by a bunch of sponsor programs.... __________________ Contact me: \\// E: webmaster /at/ unprofessional.com

08-12-2008, 09:49 AM	#7
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08-12-2008, 10:21 AM	#11
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08-12-2008, 09:46 AM	#6
BradM Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: 1123,6536,5231 Posts: 3,397	LOL... the legality of it? That's sort of funny. Has common sense escaped us THAT bad now?

08-12-2008, 10:05 AM	#9
notime Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: cyberspace Posts: 8,022	license agreements look like this: http://www.adultcontent.nl/shopnew/L...t-A-sp-21.html 2257 means; having it in your office when shit goes wrong! (copy ID + approval from model to use the content) Verbal agreements don't work these days. Get stuff from people with knowledge & excellent reputation that have been in business for many years where you can get references from. These people cover your ass when shit goes wrong instead of leaving you hanging to dry

08-12-2008, 10:23 AM	#12
Anna_Miller Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: 4RealCash.com Posts: 697	Basically this guy is probably selling stolen content. Bet the profit margin is nice! __________________ My Official Website Anna at 4RealCash dot com icq 610460777

08-12-2008, 10:40 AM	#13
jgabra62 Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 1,396	Thanks for the heads up guys...I knew I could count on you. __________________ Joey 'J-Gabz' Gabra NMS Productions USA, LLC [email protected] Skype: jgabra62

08-12-2008, 09:46 PM	#14
stickyfingerz Doin fine Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 24,984	You mean that sale that Jdavis has in the buy sell forum?

08-13-2008, 02:34 AM	#18
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08-13-2008, 09:40 AM	#21
jgabra62 Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 1,396	So, where can I go to get 'realistic' non-nude amateur content? __________________ Joey 'J-Gabz' Gabra NMS Productions USA, LLC [email protected] Skype: jgabra62