?This Is Genocide?: American Witness Says U.S. and Georgia to Answer for Violence - GoFuckYourself.com

buzzy · 08-11-2008, 04:11 AM

An American man living in South Ossetia says U.S. and Georgian leaders are responsible for the violence that has killed 2,000 people in the region. Joe Mestas, who witnessed days of shelling, told RT that Washington will have to answer for the violence.

?I thought that since U.S. is supporting Georgia there would be some control over the situation in South Ossetia and that there would be a peaceful solution to the conflict. But what is happening there now it?s not just war, but war crimes. George Bush and [Georgian president] Mikhail Saakashvili should answer to the crimes that are being committed ? the killing of innocent people, running over by tanks of children and women, throwing grenades into cellars where people are hiding,? Joe Mestas said.

http://russiatoday.ru/news/news/28788
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=cRl3qArJO-o

uno · 08-11-2008, 04:12 AM

ummm yah...

seeandsee · 08-11-2008, 04:14 AM

3 WW will make this earth better place...

brassmonkey · 08-11-2008, 04:14 AM

man killing anybody is Genocide since we're all human

Odin · 08-11-2008, 04:17 AM

It's actually amazing, given the circumstances to see the anti-Russian media machine in action. I can't believe there is so little balance or real, decent journalism out there.

buzzy · 08-11-2008, 04:59 AM

I know, bad times.

cykoe6 · 08-11-2008, 05:36 AM

There is no doubt that the Georgians have killed many innocent South Ossetian civilians and the media misreporting has been shameful..... but I hardly see how this can all be blamed on the US......except in the sense that the US is the source of all evil in the world.

Linguist · 08-11-2008, 05:52 AM

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Originally Posted by cykoe6

There is no doubt that the Georgians have killed many innocent South Ossetian civilians and the media misreporting has been shameful..... but I hardly see how this can all be blamed on the US......except in the sense that the US is the source of all evil in the world.

The US are urging Russia to stop the offensive and are transporting Georgian troops from Iraq back to Georgia.

xmas13 · 08-11-2008, 05:52 AM

Pre-war pop: 50,000.

Minus 2,000 dead.

Minus 30,000 refugees.

Post-war pop: 28,000.

Sarah_Jayne · 08-11-2008, 06:25 AM

Ever watch Russia Today (you are in the UK...it is on Sky Digital)? Even if you don't take what they say as the true gospel it is interesting to see how they present not just this story but world events in general. Watching them on the night they won Eurovision was interesting too on a much different level.

Why · 08-11-2008, 06:54 AM

i dont see how any of that equates to america being involved. i guess being the biggest and the best makes you an easy target. americans are pretty used to it by now ;)

i hate to break it to the dude reporting but.... war is hell. innocents die. sad, but true. sorry.

buzzy · 08-11-2008, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by cykoe6

There is no doubt that the Georgians have killed many innocent South Ossetian civilians and the media misreporting has been shameful..... but I hardly see how this can all be blamed on the US......except in the sense that the US is the source of all evil in the world.

Because there is no way Georgia would of launched the attack on South Ossettia without the go ahead from the people in Washington.

_Richard_ · 08-11-2008, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by buzzy

An American man living in South Ossetia says U.S. and Georgian leaders are responsible for the violence that has killed 2,000 people in the region. Joe Mestas, who witnessed days of shelling, told RT that Washington will have to answer for the violence.

?I thought that since U.S. is supporting Georgia there would be some control over the situation in South Ossetia and that there would be a peaceful solution to the conflict. But what is happening there now it?s not just war, but war crimes. George Bush and [Georgian president] Mikhail Saakashvili should answer to the crimes that are being committed ? the killing of innocent people, running over by tanks of children and women, throwing grenades into cellars where people are hiding,? Joe Mestas said.

http://russiatoday.ru/news/news/28788
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=cRl3qArJO-o

amazing detail for someone who didn't even seem to be in the country?

cykoe6 · 08-11-2008, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by buzzy

Because there is no way Georgia would of launched the attack on South Ossettia without the go ahead from the people in Washington.

And there is no way that Washington would have approved an attack on Russian forces near a strategic oil pipeline (gas prices? elections?). That is just nonsense. The last thing the US needs is more instability in the region. Georgia has obviously miscalculated and certainly did not receive any go ahead from the US.

halfpint · 08-11-2008, 02:47 PM

Just watched Bush on TV telling the Ruskys to pull back thier troops he seemed a little pissed ..They wont listen to the UN or the USA now, back to the cold war days again it seems thats if it dosent escalate into something far bigger

buzzy · 08-11-2008, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by cykoe6

And there is no way that Washington would have approved an attack on Russian forces near a strategic oil pipeline (gas prices? elections?). That is just nonsense. The last thing the US needs is more instability in the region. Georgia has obviously miscalculated and certainly did not receive any go ahead from the US.

They didn't attack Russian forces, that wasn't in the plan, they attacked civillians first.

SmokeyTheBear · 08-11-2008, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Why

i dont see how any of that equates to america being involved..

america has a pledge to protect georgia.

Georgia is one of the countries with the most soldiers in iraq. so they are helping the us in its war but the us isn't helping georgia in its war.

prettys simple really , it's like you had a fire and you asked for your neighbours help, and he said , " as long as you help me if i ever have a fire", then when his house caught fire you just ignored his cries for help

but then again its not so simple because in reality your neighbour whom you promised to save his house started walking around his house in gasoline soaked rags, you didn't tell him that now you wouldnt save him because he was being reckless.

cykoe6 · 08-11-2008, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by buzzy

They didn't attack Russian forces, that wasn't in the plan, they attacked civillians first.

Their were Russian peacekeepers in South Ossetia so the Georgians knew they would be attacking Russian forces. Obviously they underestimated Russian resolve. There is no way the US backed such a suicidal maneuver.

buzzy · 08-11-2008, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by cykoe6

Their were Russian peacekeepers in South Ossetia so the Georgians knew they would be attacking Russian forces. Obviously they underestimated Russian resolve. There is no way the US backed such a suicidal maneuver.

What are you trying to say, the US is competent? Almost every military conflict they have been in has been a failure, it is very likely they gave permission to Georgia to attack.

cykoe6 · 08-11-2008, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by buzzy

What are you trying to say, the US is competent? Almost every military conflict they have been in has been a failure, it is very likely they gave permission to Georgia to attack.

Sometimes I am not sure if you are actually this ignorant or are just willing to say anything to to try and advance you anti-American viewpoints.

You are willing to believe any piece of propaganda no matter how absurd which supports your viewpoint while ignoring all data which provides evidence to the contrary. Your hatred of all things American is making it impossible for you to analyze anything objectively.

buzzy · 08-11-2008, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by cykoe6

Sometimes I am not sure if you are actually this ignorant or are just willing to say anything to to try and advance you anti-American viewpoints.

You are willing to believe any piece of propaganda no matter how absurd which supports your viewpoint while ignoring all data which provides evidence to the contrary. Your hatred of all things American is making it impossible for you to analyze anything objectively.

It is quite the opposite, Georgia is a very big USA ally, the road that goes to the airport in Tbsili is called Geroge W Bush street, you are trying to pass off that it is unfeasable that Sakaashvili consulted his American counter parts before going ahead with this operation.

and anti-american viewpoints lol, you say that as if it is a bad thing, the people in there are criminals, almost hitler like and you are trying to tell me im ignorant because i'm anti american.

also try to not put words in my mouth to push your pro american opinion, it is no secret that i despise alot of things that american politics stand for and it's system. But you are really stretching to say i hate all things american, just the politicians.

brassmonkey · 08-11-2008, 06:13 PM

peacekeepers my ass

Robatolla · 08-11-2008, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by buzzy

It is quite the opposite, Georgia is a very big USA ally, the road that goes to the airport in Tbsili is called Geroge W Bush street, you are trying to pass off that it is unfeasable that Sakaashvili consulted his American counter parts before going ahead with this operation.

and anti-american viewpoints lol, you say that as if it is a bad thing, the people in there are criminals, almost hitler like and you are trying to tell me im ignorant because i'm anti american.

also try to not put words in my mouth to push your pro american opinion, it is no secret that i despise alot of things that american politics stand for and it's system. But you are really stretching to say i hate all things american, just the politicians.

just cuz georgia is an ally doesnt mean they consulted us the USA.you may be right that our politicians suck sometimes,but everytime something happens we are assumed to have something to do with it.ALSO don't forget,which most people like you do,the times we've shed blood for someone else!

Sly · 08-11-2008, 06:25 PM

Oh good grief, another America is evil situation.

Nobody has any idea what even started the fight. Both sides say something completely different and the real truth will probably never come out. Odds are it could have happened over somebody looking at somebody funny. Who knows.

Regardless of who started it, this has been building up for months and months on end. It was going to happen sooner or later.

Neither side is innocent... Georgia took its potshot, Russia is now pounding the living crap out of them knowing that nobody will come and save them. Russia has made its point, they could have backed out two days ago and won. Now they are just making the world wonder how far they are willing to go...

cykoe6 · 08-11-2008, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by buzzy

and anti-american viewpoints lol, you say that as if it is a bad thing, the people in there are criminals, almost hitler like and you are trying to tell me im ignorant because i'm anti american.

Have you ever considered that the premise upon which your entire viewpoint rests may be incorrect? What if the the US is not like Hitler? What if you have misjudged things and have let your prejudices cloud your judgment? Or are you so sure that the US is the source of all evil? You seem like a smart enough guy but your underlying assumption that the US is an imperialistic evil empire is not accurate. Because of that fundamental mistake all of your resulting conclusions are flawed.

The US is not a monolithic evil force any more than Russia or China. It is a large country with lots of competing interest pulling in different directions. It is hardly the second coming of the Third Reich. Perhaps you should spend some more time studying the actions and ideologies of Hitler and Stalin and you will be able to see some of the differences.

directfiesta · 08-11-2008, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by cykoe6

Sometimes I am not sure if you are actually this ignorant or are just willing to say anything to to try and advance you anti-American viewpoints.

You are willing to believe any piece of propaganda no matter how absurd which supports your viewpoint while ignoring all data which provides evidence to the contrary. Your hatred of all things American is making it impossible for you to analyze anything objectively.

You should look into a mirror .....

... and get a better view of the whole picture...

Your blinded pro-american position explains your comments tough ...

Sly · 08-11-2008, 06:27 PM

By the way, if America is An Imperialist Nation I sure wish we would start getting the benefits of being An Imperialist Nation. I mean hell if we are going to rape countries and resources, let's rape them already!

absolutfl · 08-11-2008, 06:29 PM

Of course, blame America...while you are at it, add killing the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy to the list.

buzzy · 08-11-2008, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by cykoe6

The US is not a monolithic evil force any more than Russia or China.

This is where we differ. Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, Bombing of Serbian TV station which killed innocent cleaners lead me to believe otherwise. The USA is not all the source if evil, it is stupid to suggest that, i don't think there is one single source of evil.

But you really are naive if you believe the USA is out there doing the bidding for the good and freedom of the world.

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Originally Posted by Sly

By the way, if America is An Imperialist Nation I sure wish we would start getting the benefits of being An Imperialist Nation. I mean hell if we are going to rape countries and resources, let's rape them already!

Imperialism = The practice of one country extending its control over the territory, political system, or economic life of another country.

I'd say yes.

Sly · 08-11-2008, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by buzzy

This is where we differ. Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, Bombing of Serbian TV station which killed innocent cleaners lead me to believe otherwise. The USA is not all the source if evil, it is stupid to suggest that, i don't think there is one single source of evil.

But you really are naive if you believe the USA is out there doing the bidding for the good and freedom of the world.

No... we are out there doing what we believe is in our best interests. As should everyone.

buzzy · 08-11-2008, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Sly

No... we are out there doing what we believe is in our best interests. As should everyone.

Exactly but doing it through terrorism is NOT the way to go and it makes the administrarion criminals.

It's in my best interest to become rich. But do i rob a bank and kill everyone in it?

cykoe6 · 08-11-2008, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by directfiesta

You should look into a mirror .....

... and get a better view of the whole picture...

Your blinded pro-american position explains your comments tough ...

Hummmm are you so sure? I have stated in the other thread that I believe Georgian aggression was responsible for the deaths of hundreds (or thousands) of civilians in South Ossetia and that Russia was justified to intervene to protect the Ossetians. I have also stated that given the example set by the West with their support for the independence of Kososvo based on the idea of "national self-determination" that there is no way for them to deny the same to the Ossetians.

So how has my "pro-American" viewpoint made me unable to see the whole picture? My objection comes from knee jerk anti-American propagandists (like you) who rush to blame every bad action taken in this world on the US.

directfiesta · 08-11-2008, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by cykoe6

So how has my "pro-American" viewpoint made me unable to see the whole picture? My objection comes from knee jerk anti-American propagandists (like you) who rush to blame every bad action taken in this world on the US.

Find a post here from me blaming the USA ....

I consider that it is quite a blurry situation to emit a position .. unless I would base it on blindfolded patriotism justified by a position of my patriotic country ...So I did abstain ... I only corrected the idiot avatar Sr.. Richard about the USA airlifting the 2K Georgian troops from Iraq back to Georgia to fight the Russians.

baddog · 08-11-2008, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by buzzy

This is where we differ. Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, Bombing of Serbian TV station which killed innocent cleaners lead me to believe otherwise.

Do I have to list Russia's sins? You been drinking?

xxxdesign-net · 08-11-2008, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by cykoe6

There is no doubt that the Georgians have killed many innocent South Ossetian civilians and the media misreporting has been shameful..... but I hardly see how this can all be blamed on the US......except in the sense that the US is the source of all evil in the world.

The Georgian president is a puppet of the US... What he does is for US interest... or should i say the Neocons..

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 08-11-2008, 07:18 PM

Better off watching Faux news than relying on Soviet News Media.\
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cykoe6 · 08-11-2008, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by xxxdesign-net

The Georgian president is a puppet of the US... What he does is for US interest... or should i say the Neocons..

Everything that happens is all part of the grand neo-con conspiracy to take over the world.

brassmonkey · 08-11-2008, 07:24 PM

Send in the canadians eh?

their tuff

AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE · 08-11-2008, 07:28 PM

Yeah this is All America's fault!

Fuck en ehhh...
Keep the hate rolling bitches!

buzzy · 08-11-2008, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog

Do I have to list Russia's sins? You been drinking?

Russia or the Soviet Union?

I never said Russia was an angel anyway.

xxxdesign-net · 08-11-2008, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by cykoe6

Everything that happens is all part of the grand neo-con conspiracy to take over the world.

Everything? No.. but their PNAC document is all about their wet dream of an imperial America and how to get there... Learn about it and you wont sound so ignorant...

tony286 · 08-11-2008, 07:43 PM

Its Putin is sending a message but W should know he said he looked into his eyes and saw his soul.

08-11-2008, 04:11 AM	#1
buzzy Confirmed User Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 2,606	?This Is Genocide?: American Witness Says U.S. and Georgia to Answer for Violence An American man living in South Ossetia says U.S. and Georgian leaders are responsible for the violence that has killed 2,000 people in the region. Joe Mestas, who witnessed days of shelling, told RT that Washington will have to answer for the violence. ?I thought that since U.S. is supporting Georgia there would be some control over the situation in South Ossetia and that there would be a peaceful solution to the conflict. But what is happening there now it?s not just war, but war crimes. George Bush and [Georgian president] Mikhail Saakashvili should answer to the crimes that are being committed ? the killing of innocent people, running over by tanks of children and women, throwing grenades into cellars where people are hiding,? Joe Mestas said. http://russiatoday.ru/news/news/28788 http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=cRl3qArJO-o

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cykoe6 Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Vegas Posts: 4,499	There is no doubt that the Georgians have killed many innocent South Ossetian civilians and the media misreporting has been shameful..... but I hardly see how this can all be blamed on the US......except in the sense that the US is the source of all evil in the world. __________________ бабки, шлюхи, сила

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Why MFBA Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: PNW Posts: 7,230	i dont see how any of that equates to america being involved. i guess being the biggest and the best makes you an easy target. americans are pretty used to it by now ;) i hate to break it to the dude reporting but.... war is hell. innocents die. sad, but true. sorry.

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