Tube sites will kill adult industry in a short time.

[mpisexpi]

the content owners are too lazy to sue.

right now they are still getting sales/rebills, the well will run dry then it will be too late.

I think it will run dry fast. In 7-8 months, sales will decrease fifty fifty.

why do adult industry not try to solve big problem?

[KrisKross]

You know what we can really use around here? ANOTHER thread about tube sites, please.

[cranki]

Originally Posted by KrisKross

You know what we can really use around here? ANOTHER thread about tube sites, please.

now that'd be awesome.

[DeadFidel]

"why do adult industry not try to solve big problem?"

Because they run it.

[kane]

I actually am starting to think the time spent in tube site threads will kill the adult industry.

[cranki]

Originally Posted by kane

I actually am starting to think the time spent in tube site threads will kill the adult industry.

good one

[gentoo]

The adult industry is going no where, it is simply changing.

Porn will still be made but the smart ones will just put it up for free on tube sites. The future is to generate traffic and make money off advertisement. think about how much youtube brings in. take a hint

[KrisKross]

A 50% decrease in sales? Jesus Christ. I've seen a 400% INCREASE in my sales thanks to tube sites, LEGALLY.

Go put on your hard hat if you're scared that the sky is falling.

I'm starting to wonder why people don't just jump ship, and get into an industry where no evolution is needed.

If some of you think the adult business is dying, please go elsewhere. It's exactly like the people back in the days who were crying about thumbnail preview tgp's. Whaddya' know..the business is still around and kicking 8 years later!

[polish_aristocrat]

Originally Posted by KrisKross

A 50% decrease in sales? Jesus Christ. I've seen a 400% INCREASE in my sales thanks to tube sites, LEGALLY.

Go put on your hard hat if you're scared that the sky is falling.

he's talking about overall industry sales

[k0nr4d]

Originally Posted by KrisKross

You know what we can really use around here? ANOTHER thread about tube sites, please.

we also dont have nearly enough ron paul threads here.

[Jdoughs]

Originally Posted by mpisexpi

the content owners are too lazy to sue.

right now they are still getting sales/rebills, the well will run dry then it will be too late.

I think it will run dry fast. In 7-8 months, sales will decrease fifty fifty.

why do adult industry not try to solve big problem?

This is getting a little silly isnt it.

[Bossman]

Originally Posted by shermsshack

If some of you think the adult business is dying, please go elsewhere. It's exactly like the people back in the days who were crying about thumbnail preview tgp's. Whaddya' know..the business is still around and kicking 8 years later!

The differnce between 1999 and 2007 is 500% growth in internet users, which offset the decreasing conversions. However this growth will probably only be in the single to the double digits % in western countries over the next 8 years, while the low income regions will be the ones doing the real expansion, however these people will not be able to afford your product, and since they are entering the internet where free content is exploding in availability, then they will not have a need to pay.

So bottomline - the ruleset is changing. There will not be enough growth in internet users to offset the decreasing conversions due to free content easy availability. 2008 will not be 1998

[V_RocKs]

I think these tube sites will eventually hit some kind of legislation that will do away with them.

[Star 69]

my answear is NO

[Iron Fist]

Originally Posted by kane

I actually am starting to think the time spent in tube site threads will kill the adult industry.

[Violetta]

Originally Posted by shermsshack

I'm starting to wonder why people don't just jump ship, and get into an industry where no evolution is needed.

If some of you think the adult business is dying, please go elsewhere. It's exactly like the people back in the days who were crying about thumbnail preview tgp's. Whaddya' know..the business is still around and kicking 8 years later!

If you cant adapt, then you are doomed. That goes for every biz

[notoldschool]

to people who say you have to adapt I have this to say.

Get off this Adult WEBMASTER Board FUCKING SURFER!

and to the affiliate webmasters who say adapt...we will dont worry.

U affiliates will be the ones ass out. MY Proggie will still make tons of money without you.

[12clicks]

Originally Posted by mpisexpi

Tube sites will kill adult industry in a short time.

you're right. get out now.

[tony286]

Originally Posted by gentoo

The adult industry is going no where, it is simply changing.

Porn will still be made but the smart ones will just put it up for free on tube sites. The future is to generate traffic and make money off advertisement. think about how much youtube brings in. take a hint

That is not going to be the key. I dont think they make big money tna added a monthly pay feature, the red one has a monthly pay thing. If ads were doing so great those things wouldnt be added.

[ro8in]

Adult will always make something worth for paying..

Tube sites have low quality vids. Adult sites are going in the High Def area have live shows etc... There will always be worth something paying for..

Just like everyone was saying TGP's are killing at that time there where still allot of sites selling mainly photoshoots.. Now we all know photo's are just an extra we are selling video's.. Now Video becomes the new Free tools.. We will be selling High Def video's or Live material..

The adult biz is not dying because of tube sites.. We're just changing our tactics and what we sell..

This is called innovation..

Therefor my awnser is NO

[flowereater]

maybe for the better

[xxxice]

Originally Posted by gentoo

The adult industry is going no where, it is simply changing.

Porn will still be made but the smart ones will just put it up for free on tube sites. The future is to generate traffic and make money off advertisement. think about how much youtube brings in. take a hint

Youtube makes a profit? I thought they were operating at loss. Also a 1 billion dollar lawsuit pending against then from Viacom does not help. The idea that everything can be for free without the consent of the producers and that others can just make money off of it by advertising beside it on another site has yet be proven. I see more legal action in the future. I guess we will see ...

[xxxice]

Let me add the tube sites with videos that are not a half hour long and correctly link to the sponsor; are not in the same boat as the ones that have no links to the sponsor, remove the watermark and try to make money from etology or dating / cam sites.

[Zorgman]

I also voted NO.

[SomeCreep]

It's the end of the world as we know it. And I feel fine.

[GITZINGER]

Originally Posted by KrisKross

A 50% decrease in sales? Jesus Christ. I've seen a 400% INCREASE in my sales thanks to tube sites, LEGALLY.

Go put on your hard hat if you're scared that the sky is falling.

That's cause the people in your sig own pornhub.com and up until a few days ago had stolen content on it. I'm sure that helped.

[xxxice]

I wonder if they have permission to link the tom and pam video? http://www.pornhub.com/view_video.ph...5065399b0d1e48

You would think with the lawsuits going around it would not be a good idea.

[xmas13]

Voted NO.

The adult industry is where too many dicks and dumb whores end up.

Had the industry been 100% respectable, it would be run by banks and corporate giants, most of GFYers would have never been able to participate.

An elite of porn business managers will rise, and TGP site owners will join their redneck/white trash brothers in the welfare industry.

The traditional adult industry was too much about the survival of the weakest, it's going down like a Marxist-run country.

Trey from EpicCash used to play a caricature of the average adult webmaster.

[pr0]

Ok....heres a pretty easy explanation that you should all remember & take note of.

Tube sites eat up tons of bandwidth. More demand for bandwidth will result in more competition for their bandwidth. Dropping the cost of bandwidth to levels which no one right now can even conceive. Hosting companies are about to see a boom (and quick). But their prices are also going to have 2 drop big time (and quick).

Within the next 2-3 years (I'm guessing less than 2 personally), the cost of a mbps of bandwidth will fall to around the $1 range for even mid range hosting companies.

This expansion of full streaming video (tube sites) will also cause a raise in demand for broadband connections in EVERYONES home....creating more competition in the domestic broadband market.

Tube sites, just like porn sites, will not be "chased" to the point of death by the govt, simply because they are fueling the economy & technology. So do not expect to see any "huge" lawmaking until the expansion comes to a slow on its own. Which will take a good 2-3 years.

Now, heres the deal....you can get into the business now (while bandwidth is still super expensive) & begin branding your own name/building users. Or you can wait until $1 mbps a couple years from now & be way behind the curve.

I'm not advocating your start up an illegal (user fueled) tube site. I am advocating that you start your own legal (owner controlled) tube site. And keep your clips to a point that the bandwidth doesn't put you out of business.

This is your chance....you either get on the ship, or watch it sail off into the sea. Period.

Hit me up if you wanna get started, i can point you in the right direction

[spazlabz]

Originally Posted by SomeCreep

It's the end of the world as we know it. And I feel fine.

Yeah, exactly how many times has that been said about our industry??

what surprises me about these doomsayers is that they tend to not take into consideration some certain truths about our industry. that may or may not be generally accepted by the whole; such as:

DVD buyers do not join paysites

VOD buyers do not buy DVDs or join paysites

paysites members tend to be more along the lines of collectors that save the videos they can

there is a market for every type of consumer here and the key is reaching them. I am not worried at all


spaz

[Bossman]

Originally Posted by ro8in

Now we all know photo's are just an extra we are selling video's.. Now Video becomes the new Free tools.. We will be selling High Def video's or Live material..

The difference between still pictures and video meant a very different/exclusive experience, if surfers paid for porn, since videos were costly to produce and host, and therefore were limited to membership areas. Normal video and High Def doesn´t bring the same "paradigm shift" to the viewing experience, so I do not think it will add much against the content being stolen, distributed and viewed on tube sites. High def might move market share within consumers who are already paying for porn, but I´m not sure it will convert alot from free to pay. Live video could definitely be the "next step".

[L-Pink]

Change is natural ... If the future is tube sites fine, someday it will be something else.

Theft however is theft no matter how the product is delivered.

.

[xxxice]

Originally Posted by vanderweb

I wonder if they have permission to link the tom and pam video? http://www.pornhub.com/view_video.ph...5065399b0d1e48

You would think with the lawsuits going around it would not be a good idea.

Let me just air on the side of caution here and say that maybe they purchased the video rights and are able to distribute it online. Just found it odd when I ran into it on the site.

[Dollarmansteve]

yes, the industry is dying. Please sell me your business for 10% of its value now because it will be worthless in 8 months. That goes for everyone. Everyone get out now, there is no money in porn.

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by KrisKross

LEGALLY.

.

[seeric]

tube sites will not kill adult.


adult companies are innovating and litigating.


its called evolution.


we evolve or we die.


natural selection is at play.

[stev0]

May slow down a little for now, but just wait until better legislation is put into place to prevent companies like AFF from paying people who profit off stolen content on torrent and tube sites. Companies are loosing a lot of money, it won't go on forever.

[seeric]

Originally Posted by pr0

Ok....heres a pretty easy explanation that you should all remember & take note of.

Tube sites eat up tons of bandwidth. More demand for bandwidth will result in more competition for their bandwidth. Dropping the cost of bandwidth to levels which no one right now can even conceive. Hosting companies are about to see a boom (and quick). But their prices are also going to have 2 drop big time (and quick).

Within the next 2-3 years (I'm guessing less than 2 personally), the cost of a mbps of bandwidth will fall to around the $1 range for even mid range hosting companies.

This expansion of full streaming video (tube sites) will also cause a raise in demand for broadband connections in EVERYONES home....creating more competition in the domestic broadband market.

Tube sites, just like porn sites, will not be "chased" to the point of death by the govt, simply because they are fueling the economy & technology. So do not expect to see any "huge" lawmaking until the expansion comes to a slow on its own. Which will take a good 2-3 years.

Now, heres the deal....you can get into the business now (while bandwidth is still super expensive) & begin branding your own name/building users. Or you can wait until $1 mbps a couple years from now & be way behind the curve.

I'm not advocating your start up an illegal (user fueled) tube site. I am advocating that you start your own legal (owner controlled) tube site. And keep your clips to a point that the bandwidth doesn't put you out of business.

This is your chance....you either get on the ship, or watch it sail off into the sea. Period.

Hit me up if you wanna get started, i can point you in the right direction

you're too smart for your own good.

[stev0]

Originally Posted by A1R3K

tube sites will not kill adult.


adult companies are innovating and litigating.


its called evolution.


we evolve or we die.


natural selection is at play.

I assume you're talking about legitimate "fake" tube sites right? Not the ones packed with user uploaded full length stolen content I hope.

[KrisKross]

Originally Posted by polish_aristocrat

he's talking about overall industry sales

So? If my sales are increasing, why should I care about the rest of the industry? You guys are competition, not friends. If the rest of the small fishes can't keep up, too bad.

Originally Posted by GITZINGER

That's cause the people in your sig own pornhub.com and up until a few days ago had stolen content on it. I'm sure that helped.

Not really, considering I've never posted anything on Pornhub.

Originally Posted by L-Pink

.

If you don't know what you're talking about, you'll look a lot better by keeping your mouth shut.

[Bossman]

Originally Posted by Dollarmansteve

yes, the industry is dying. Please sell me your business for 10% of its value now because it will be worthless in 8 months. That goes for everyone. Everyone get out now, there is no money in porn.

Why not offer them 100%? Are you affraid that the business will not be worth what it is today in lets say 12-24 months?

Like an old businessman once told me - "if a business is not growing, then it is dying..."

[WarChild]

Originally Posted by pr0

Ok....heres a pretty easy explanation that you should all remember & take note of.

Tube sites eat up tons of bandwidth. More demand for bandwidth will result in more competition for their bandwidth. Dropping the cost of bandwidth to levels which no one right now can even conceive. Hosting companies are about to see a boom (and quick). But their prices are also going to have 2 drop big time (and quick).

Within the next 2-3 years (I'm guessing less than 2 personally), the cost of a mbps of bandwidth will fall to around the $1 range for even mid range hosting companies.

This expansion of full streaming video (tube sites) will also cause a raise in demand for broadband connections in EVERYONES home....creating more competition in the domestic broadband market.

Tube sites, just like porn sites, will not be "chased" to the point of death by the govt, simply because they are fueling the economy & technology. So do not expect to see any "huge" lawmaking until the expansion comes to a slow on its own. Which will take a good 2-3 years.

Now, heres the deal....you can get into the business now (while bandwidth is still super expensive) & begin branding your own name/building users. Or you can wait until $1 mbps a couple years from now & be way behind the curve.

I'm not advocating your start up an illegal (user fueled) tube site. I am advocating that you start your own legal (owner controlled) tube site. And keep your clips to a point that the bandwidth doesn't put you out of business.

This is your chance....you either get on the ship, or watch it sail off into the sea. Period.

Hit me up if you wanna get started, i can point you in the right direction

Bingo.

[MediaGuy]

Mouhahahah tube sites will teach us new things about internet traffic, advertising and aspects we haven't even discovered yet.

You'll see.

:D

Originally Posted by pr0

Ok....heres a pretty easy explanation that you should all remember & take note of.

Tube sites eat up tons of bandwidth. More demand for bandwidth will result in more competition for their bandwidth. Dropping the cost of bandwidth to levels which no one right now can even conceive. Hosting companies are about to see a boom (and quick). But their prices are also going to have 2 drop big time (and quick).

Within the next 2-3 years (I'm guessing less than 2 personally), the cost of a mbps of bandwidth will fall to around the $1 range for even mid range hosting companies.

This expansion of full streaming video (tube sites) will also cause a raise in demand for broadband connections in EVERYONES home....creating more competition in the domestic broadband market.

Tube sites, just like porn sites, will not be "chased" to the point of death by the govt, simply because they are fueling the economy & technology. So do not expect to see any "huge" lawmaking until the expansion comes to a slow on its own. Which will take a good 2-3 years.

Now, heres the deal....you can get into the business now (while bandwidth is still super expensive) & begin branding your own name/building users. Or you can wait until $1 mbps a couple years from now & be way behind the curve.

I'm not advocating your start up an illegal (user fueled) tube site. I am advocating that you start your own legal (owner controlled) tube site. And keep your clips to a point that the bandwidth doesn't put you out of business.

This is your chance....you either get on the ship, or watch it sail off into the sea. Period.

Hit me up if you wanna get started, i can point you in the right direction

Quoted for truth. The webmasters in this for the long term will setup up now and have their feet planted firmly when the move to tube sites becomes as standard as the MGP for finding free porn.

We're still dealing with the same beast everyone..It's just in a souped up form and can be just as much of a tool as a lot of us are accustomed to for generating traffic....if not more!

Also to those saying that porn will no longer be paid for...Do you really think that is possible if porn is to always exist? Without porn generating $, the studios will close up shop, and the supply will run dry. It makes no sense to kill the pay model, and a lot of surfers are aware of that. Those who are getting the free porn, would not have paid to begin with. These are the same surfers who were scouring the tgp/mgp scene for porn a year ago, and nothing has changed.

[Barefootsies]

[gentoo]

Originally Posted by pr0

Ok....heres a pretty easy explanation that you should all remember & take note of.

Tube sites eat up tons of bandwidth. More demand for bandwidth will result in more competition for their bandwidth. Dropping the cost of bandwidth to levels which no one right now can even conceive. Hosting companies are about to see a boom (and quick). But their prices are also going to have 2 drop big time (and quick).

Within the next 2-3 years (I'm guessing less than 2 personally), the cost of a mbps of bandwidth will fall to around the $1 range for even mid range hosting companies.

This expansion of full streaming video (tube sites) will also cause a raise in demand for broadband connections in EVERYONES home....creating more competition in the domestic broadband market.

Tube sites, just like porn sites, will not be "chased" to the point of death by the govt, simply because they are fueling the economy & technology. So do not expect to see any "huge" lawmaking until the expansion comes to a slow on its own. Which will take a good 2-3 years.

Now, heres the deal....you can get into the business now (while bandwidth is still super expensive) & begin branding your own name/building users. Or you can wait until $1 mbps a couple years from now & be way behind the curve.

I'm not advocating your start up an illegal (user fueled) tube site. I am advocating that you start your own legal (owner controlled) tube site. And keep your clips to a point that the bandwidth doesn't put you out of business.

This is your chance....you either get on the ship, or watch it sail off into the sea. Period.

Hit me up if you wanna get started, i can point you in the right direction

well said dude

[brandonstills]

There will always be people on tube sites. But there are few other points to consider.

Maybe they are under 18 and don't have a credit card and won't pay for content regardless. It's much easier to lie and say they are over 18 than to have a credit card.

They never pay for porn because everyone gives too much away.

Tubesites are good way to put teaser content on your site.

Some porn surfers don't like to hassle and just want and easy to use and view solution than only pay sites with video downloads offer.

[Drake]

I looking to the music/movie industries for clues. They aren't dead yet despite all of it being freely available.

[slapass]

Originally Posted by gentoo

The adult industry is going no where, it is simply changing.

Porn will still be made but the smart ones will just put it up for free on tube sites. The future is to generate traffic and make money off advertisement. think about how much youtube brings in. take a hint

You tube was losing money and the only reason they look ok now is their parent company is over paying for their searches.