zabijaq

Hi. I've seen some thread about Russians invading Georgia. And people saying f*cking Russians. I'm not Russian but I must say:
No there are no fucking Russians.

Have You seen three implosions at one moment and one place (911). This doesn't happen. There are no terrorist, there are just greedy people that runs this words.

Afganistan long time ago?
CIA was supporting Ladin. Good friends, CIA always need hell lot of cash, so why not from heroin. Why would they need to invest money in region where, if Russia fails, it won't have effect on cold war ending?

Saddam wanted to sell oil for EURO, he was number one enemy, cause if some more will do this, dollars will be worthless for FED to print more & more.

Iran want and stars selling in EURO, he's number one ENEMY now - biggest terrorist nest in world.

In Afganistan, You were told, that there are terrorist, Yeah, plenty of them, and You were told, that it would stop heroin production.
Only thing that pushed Afganistan was OIL pipes that agreements about them and deals were made maybe 6 months before 911. Didn't they know that after 911 public will allow them to attack Afganistan and control it to be able to build pipelines?
Heroin production was about doubled since US forced occupy Afganistan.


Serbia? Kosovo?
US goverment supplied heroin dealers and make them official leaders of new country (againts international law). What did US officials get from this? Second biggest US military base outside US, in Europe, with controlled goverment. Albanians are biggest heroin traffickers in Europe. US made them another coutry, leaders are TOP heroin traffickers.
There were never found 8000 dead in graves in Srebrenica. Has BBC, CNN and FOX news informed that Thaci is drug trafficker and they have also killed thousands of civilians to sell their body pieces? And OSN members this helped that selling this stuff?

Did You see BBC telling You that WTC7 (unharmed building with senseless fires - high security building where little fires were vanquished by sensors) did collapsed 30 minutes before it happens (there are videos showing people from BBC news saying that and You can clearly see WTC7 in NY panarama behind them?

Saakashvili is US choosen President and he's now dictator.
He send spy planes that were shot down. He send army to borders with Ossetia.
BBC and CNN will told You that Russians did attack Georgia.
No Georgians did attack Ossetia after Saakashvili presented he want PEACE.
Why would country with 11 attack planes risk conflict with Russia?
Saakashvili is controlled by US and US want more pipelines below Russia to avoid Russia and have all the money from transfers.

US is creating and financing dictators in Latin America, in Africa.
All revolutions and contrarevolutions are financed by someone outside, history shows, that mostly this is done by US government.

And You don't get any INFO, cause Your trusted CNN, BBC and FOX tell You something different.
Open You eyes, CNN, BBC, FOX owners do business with government.

All that matters to people that controls US government is PROFIT.
Peoples life have never value of money for them. Every war they start is to make money.

Yeah, and who has now some nice earnings? Saudi's that sell same OIL for much higher price in dollars and are buying out scyscrapers in US. Bush family friends, didn't get it?
Haliburton got more money.

And now, You have HYPO crisis and lowering prices of all buildings. Poor people are losing their weekend houses, government will supply bankers for FREE and all is fine.
People will have more money, cause they won't pay loans now cause they have lost their weekend houses.
They will have more money later, more consumption economy will get back and they will feel rich and have plenty of spare money so they will start buying another houses.

This cycle lasts about 10 years and in the end of each cycle people that were working 10 years are at the same position (and they have bought buildings they've lost years ago).

xmas13

Fuck the CIA, cowboys for the oil cartel.

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zabijaq

Beijing 2008, good time to set new war. Everybody is watchin TV.

Libertine

How do they make babies, then?

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IllTestYourGirls

The Georgians started this war, backed by the USA and with between 5,000 and 10,000 USA special ops in Georgia as we speak

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buzzy

The war there is very relevant to the west, it could spread easily.

Mr Saakashvili is already calling for the USA's help to fight Russia like a little bitch, and if they get involved it will be WW3

brassmonkey

take down the red curtain

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Phil

Russia invaded Georgia? When did that happen? Fuck, whats going to happen with Atlanta Forum convention?

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zabijaq

:D :D :D

Sly

Of all of the things to go to World War III over... Georgia is not one of them.

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buzzy

True that but world war 1 was started by one person being killed sitting on a bridge in Bosnia, so crazier things have happend.

baddog

So, where do you get your news?

Bird

Georgia has always been sought after because it makes a great intersection for oil pipelines.

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Phil

is Conspirations a word?

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zabijaq

No it's not crazy. Only thing that suits 100% to politics is: Nothing in politics is by accident, it it looks like that, it's well planned.

You think Germany wasn't preparing for war? So how could they have so expanded offensive strategies, planned supplies, .........
And maybe Franz Ferdinand stood in someones way so why not to make two important steps with one shot.

As when US have 2 small boats (We were told, doesn't mean it's true) attacked by Vietnamese and it started HUGE conflict. No accidents happens in politics.

IllTestYourGirls

the banks have their hands in everything

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they have great peach farms.

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zabijaq

Oh I forgot. There were news that Tibet will be new Eldorado with it's mineral resources, etc.
That's why someone wants "democracy" there. F*ck Dalajlama.

The Duck

good call right there

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Bird

Ain't that a peach.

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zabijaq

Peach xD

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Already posted to the other thread, but nevertheless...







Why South Ossetia, why now?

Why South Ossetia and why now? The broader picture is of course Saakashvili’s NATO ambitions. He needs to unite his country for NATO to deliver on its promise of a MAP (Membership Action Program) to enter the Western military-political block. And Saakashvili desperately wants to have this completed by December when the alliance again meets.

The fact that Saakashvili is pressuring South Ossetia now is obvious – the whole world is watching the Summer Olympics in Beijing. And it goes without saying the US will turn a blind eye to Saakashvili’s senseless aggression. NATO will probably do the same, though with the usual pinch of moralising and some fluff about respecting human rights.

I fully expect that Georgia will bring overwhelming military force to bear at some point. Many civilians will be killed. The whole operation will be called a “police action.” Saakashvili will claim that the status quo was untenable. (This of course strikes me as odd; the current status quo is far from perfect, but at least civilian deaths were low).

Can military action against South Ossetia succeed? Certainly. Georgia can invade and occupy South Ossetia. Western countries and Ukraine have supplied Georgia with an arsenal of heavy weaponry. And American military personnel have trained the new Georgian armed forces. Will Abkhazia honor its commitment to assist South Ossetia if it is invaded? Will Russian irregulars enter the fray? We have heard a lot of grand statements about this, but both claims are problematic at best.

Let’s assume Tbilisi can “win on the battlefield”. But will it be able to re-assimilate South Ossetia and South Ossetians? That will be very hard indeed. For about 15 years –almost a generation – this separatist republic has lived without Georgia, few Georgians, and the Georgian language. And Tbilisi’s brutal behaviour to stop South Ossetia’s bid for independence after the collapse of the Soviet Union literally created a lot of bad blood. To top it off, most citizens of South Ossetia have Russian passports. And there is strong evidence a South Ossetian identity now exists (and that identity is defined by not being Georgian or part of the Georgian state).

What will Russia do if there is a military strike against South Ossetia? Directly, I suspect it will do very little. It should be completely ruled out that Russia will use military force. But this does not mean Russia will remain neutral. Russia’s people-to-people contacts and trade links with South Ossetia are strong. Tbilisi will have to offer a lot of money and reconstruction – not to mention an apology for killing its civilians - to bring South Ossetia back into the fold. And this is the optimistic scenario!

This is where Russia will play an indirect role. South Ossetians look to Russia for help. And Russia has done that. Tbilisi’s trade blockade against South Ossetia (a very poor region) has seen Russia step-in to render a hand. Russia has brought peace and stability to this breakaway republic and it wants things to stay that way. A military conflict will completely upset the current arrangement.

By going to war, Tbilisi will have its hands full. It will cut South Ossetian-Russian ties. Not only will the financial costs be high for Tbilisi, but there will be South Ossetian resentment at being cut off from Russia’s North Ossetia. And Russia will object that its fellow passport holders will be subject to civil and human rights limitations and violations.

Georgia is poised to invade South Ossetia because it can. But South Ossetia is not the real aim of this. Abkhazia is the real target. South Ossetia is a test to gauge Russia’s reaction. Once active resistance is subdued in South Ossetia, Tbilisi will taunt Abkhazia with “See, your Russian friends didn’t do much for South Ossetia, nor will they really help you. Now come to the table and surrender.” This will be a huge miscalculation. Abkhazia is not South Ossetia.

Abkhazia is stable, self-confident and even rich - if investment continues. Abkhazia can also defend itself. A Georgian military operation against South Ossetia will have the opposite impact on Abkhazia – the latter will turn inward and cease to be part of any negotiated arrangement with Tbilisi. And it wouldn’t surprise me if Russia drew a line in the sand – that it will henceforth protect Russian citizens anywhere in the world (just like the US does today).

What will all of this lead to? South Ossetia, if invaded and occupied, will become a long-term headache for Tbilisi. A low-level insurgency will harass the Georgian occupiers. South Ossetian identity will only grow. NATO will also turn its back on Saakashvili - it will not induct a new member that is domestically unstable. Abkhazia will wait it out. Maybe in another 15 years the world will finally recognize the inevitable – Abkhazia is a viable nation-state worthy of independence. I am sure the Abkhazians are more than willing to wait for this to happen. Returning to Tbilisi’s fold is simply not an option anymore.

A parting thought: Saakashvili has it all wrong. The use of force or the threat of force demonstrates just how bankrupt his vision for a united Georgia is. He wants reconciliation by use of a gun. How can one truly and honestly resolve differences when one party puts a gun to the head of the other?

I have said time and again that Tbilisi has to take the hard road to unite the country. And that way is the “demonstration effect.” Make Tbilisi-controlled Georgia prosperous, safe, with a future, and not anti-Russia. When all of this really happens, then South Ossetia and Abkhazia might take a moment to reconsider their positions. Nothing succeeds like success!

To date, Saakashvili is one big loser.

~ Peter Lavelle

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buzzy

The funny thing is, the USA is not coming to help so Saakashvili looks like a TOTAL IDIOT now LOL.

tony286

T is trying to negotiate a cease fire for that weekend.

TyroneGoldberg

lol

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just a punk

One funny article: http://translate.google.com/translat...F8&sl=ru&tl=en

Of course it could be just a propaganda BS, but it's really interesting to read.

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buzzy

LMAO! I am not surprised, he is the laughing stock of the world right now.

just a punk

I'm not sure it's true, but a few things are 100% correct:
1) a blood feud is really exists in Caucasia;
2) Vitaly Kaloev is really Ossetian, and you know it's a serious problem to have 1000's of men like him as enemies...
3) Saakashvili has really tried to speak to Medvedev on phone, but has no luck (this was mentioned on U.N.O. session, video to which has been posted above).

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buzzy

I heard that the Russian administration are preparing documents to bring Sakaashvili to international courts for genocide.

just a punk

Yes that's true. I saw it on TV. Medvedev gave an order to gather all the necessary documents and evidence on act of genocide in South Ossetia.

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zabijaq

Damn I shit my pants. Really ............ twice. :D