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Britceleb · 08-08-2008, 11:30 AM

This is for a mainstream site I need built. This is the basic quote I received from a pretty good designer/programmer. Please let me know what you guys think this would cost. There is something to be said for hiring someone you know for certain can do the job and in the time and quality requested. Thanks for you help. I just dont want to get ripped off (too badly). lol

Components

-Flash opening/Home Page
-Simple animated opening (approx 3-5 seconds)
-About Us Info (revealed after opening animation)
-Customer Login (goes to user page)
-Registration Page
-Customer information (name, ph#, etc)
-6 multiple choice questions
-Contact Info

-User Page (following user login)
-Monthly Performance Update
-Single page with Memorandum and Brochure PDF downloads
OR *optional*
-Secure page displaying Memorandum and Brochure in secured flash format (Un-downloadable/Difficult to copy)

-Backend to approve or deny registration (CMS)
-Secure Login (for Daniel)
-Monthly performance update # can be set here
-Sortable/Filterable listing of all submissions (pending, approved, denied)
-Upon approval an email is automatically sent to the registrant with a username (email address) and randomly created password

-PDF Design *optional*
-Branded PDF design of Brochure and Memorandum

Timeline (Assuming we start on monday)

-Design Phase (Friday August 15th)
-Original designs presented to client

-Client Design Approval (August 19th)

-Flash Development (August 19th - Sep 5th)

-Backend Design Presented to Client (Aug 25th)

-Backend Design Approval (Aug 29th)

-Backend Development (Aug 29th - Sep 12th)

-Front end/backend tie in and development (Sep 5th - 12th)

-Site Presented to client (Sep 12th)

-Final changes/testing/debugging (Sep 13th - 20)

-Launch Sep 22nd

Budget
-Flash Home and User Page Page Design and Development
- 30 Hours * $XX/hr = $XXXX

-Backend Design
-15 hours * $XX/hour = $XXX

-Backend Programming
-35 Hours * $XX/hr = $XXXX

Total = $XXXX

klaze · 08-08-2008, 11:33 AM

That could be some good info to a newb designer.

Britceleb · 08-08-2008, 11:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by klaze

That could be some good info to a newb designer.

Thanks for the help...It was a basic quote and a basic outline. If you need some more info just ask and I will toss it in. Sorry I didnt provide more info I just didnt want a really long post.

Britceleb · 08-08-2008, 11:51 AM

Naked pics of hot chicks to come if I can get some answers. lol

woj · 08-08-2008, 12:08 PM

The specs are a little vague, but the programming hours sound a little excessive...

Britceleb · 08-08-2008, 12:20 PM

Site would be similar to this

http://www.morganstanley.com/worldwise/

Does this help?

teg0 · 08-08-2008, 08:36 PM

Looks about right, other than the time frame seems a week longer than usual. They must have a small team.

Adult Creative Labs · 08-09-2008, 03:20 AM

To be honest, it is hard to say.

XXXX could mean $1250, where I'd say you're getting a bargain; or it could mean $9860, where I'd say you're getting ripped off.

To be honest, I don't like studios that work per hour. The per hour basis requires designers and programmers to work under huge pressure to generate good results with as little time as possible. You also have to trust that the designer is actually designing during all the hours you're paying.

I strolled through a design studio (unrelated to adult) that works exclusively on the hour basis and half of the guys there had IM clients open, writing emails, etc. I don't know if they were on the clock or not, but I can totally see it happening while on the clock.

The only reason to go on the hourly basis is if the client doesn't have a clue of what he wants and you can see that he's going to be requesting frequent changes of direction. Even then, the purpose wouldn't be to make more money from that client, but to discourage him from doing endless scope creeping so you can move on.

The other thing about working for hourly rates is that the client is often left with the feeling that he's getting ripped off because he doesn't know why it too the studio so long to complete a certain task. In his mind, things are simpler; in reality, they aren't.

A third reason is that many times the client runs out of money and can't pay for any changes he wants done and it can lead to dissatisfaction with the delivered product, ensuring that he never comes by again.

Last, and I can't sustain this with hard facts, I think that studios who charge by the hour lack passion for their work as the pressure to create a certain amount of pages per hour reduces greatly the possibilities.

Of course, none if this means that the per-project basis can't have similar final pricing or deadlines.

Go with someone that charges you by project if able. I'd offer you our services as an alternative, but our plate is full for the rest of the month, so this is totally uninterested.

testpie · 08-09-2008, 03:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adult Creative Labs

In his mind, things are simpler; in reality, they aren't.

Quoted for truth.

The amount of clients I've had saying "But so-and-so says he could have done it in ten minutes" and then when actually questioned it turns out that "so-and-so" didn't exist...

Bird · 08-09-2008, 04:43 AM

Figure $60 an hour 60(30+15+35)= $4800 anything less would be a good deal

would sound reasonable +/- $1000

So if it ended up being more than $5900 make sure they hit the deadline. if not start penalizing them -$100 a day for every day after they don't make the deadline. same goes for beating the deadline. Add +$100 for every day the beat the deadline.

grumpy · 08-09-2008, 05:40 AM

so one guy has to do the design and programming, i could do the programming but not the design.

Jon Clark - BANNED FOR LIFE · 08-09-2008, 08:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adult Creative Labs

To be honest, it is hard to say.

XXXX could mean $1250, where I'd say you're getting a bargain; or it could mean $9860, where I'd say you're getting ripped off.

To be honest, I don't like studios that work per hour. The per hour basis requires designers and programmers to work under huge pressure to generate good results with as little time as possible. You also have to trust that the designer is actually designing during all the hours you're paying.

I strolled through a design studio (unrelated to adult) that works exclusively on the hour basis and half of the guys there had IM clients open, writing emails, etc. I don't know if they were on the clock or not, but I can totally see it happening while on the clock.

The only reason to go on the hourly basis is if the client doesn't have a clue of what he wants and you can see that he's going to be requesting frequent changes of direction. Even then, the purpose wouldn't be to make more money from that client, but to discourage him from doing endless scope creeping so you can move on.

The other thing about working for hourly rates is that the client is often left with the feeling that he's getting ripped off because he doesn't know why it too the studio so long to complete a certain task. In his mind, things are simpler; in reality, they aren't.

A third reason is that many times the client runs out of money and can't pay for any changes he wants done and it can lead to dissatisfaction with the delivered product, ensuring that he never comes by again.

Last, and I can't sustain this with hard facts, I think that studios who charge by the hour lack passion for their work as the pressure to create a certain amount of pages per hour reduces greatly the possibilities.

Of course, none if this means that the per-project basis can't have similar final pricing or deadlines.

Go with someone that charges you by project if able. I'd offer you our services as an alternative, but our plate is full for the rest of the month, so this is totally uninterested.

What he said.... But I will throw in some numbers..

-Flash Home and User Page Page Design and Development
$600

-Backend Design
$250

-Backend Programming
$1200

Total = $2,050

klaze · 08-09-2008, 12:06 PM

Edit: nm.

08-08-2008, 11:30 AM	#1
Britceleb Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 119	Does this sound right (Site designers/programmers) This is for a mainstream site I need built. This is the basic quote I received from a pretty good designer/programmer. Please let me know what you guys think this would cost. There is something to be said for hiring someone you know for certain can do the job and in the time and quality requested. Thanks for you help. I just dont want to get ripped off (too badly). lol Components -Flash opening/Home Page -Simple animated opening (approx 3-5 seconds) -About Us Info (revealed after opening animation) -Customer Login (goes to user page) -Registration Page -Customer information (name, ph#, etc) -6 multiple choice questions -Contact Info -User Page (following user login) -Monthly Performance Update -Single page with Memorandum and Brochure PDF downloads OR optional -Secure page displaying Memorandum and Brochure in secured flash format (Un-downloadable/Difficult to copy) -Backend to approve or deny registration (CMS) -Secure Login (for Daniel) -Monthly performance update # can be set here -Sortable/Filterable listing of all submissions (pending, approved, denied) -Upon approval an email is automatically sent to the registrant with a username (email address) and randomly created password -PDF Design optional -Branded PDF design of Brochure and Memorandum Timeline (Assuming we start on monday) -Design Phase (Friday August 15th) -Original designs presented to client -Client Design Approval (August 19th) -Flash Development (August 19th - Sep 5th) -Backend Design Presented to Client (Aug 25th) -Backend Design Approval (Aug 29th) -Backend Development (Aug 29th - Sep 12th) -Front end/backend tie in and development (Sep 5th - 12th) -Site Presented to client (Sep 12th) -Final changes/testing/debugging (Sep 13th - 20) -Launch Sep 22nd Budget -Flash Home and User Page Page Design and Development - 30 Hours * $XX/hr = $XXXX -Backend Design -15 hours * $XX/hour = $XXX -Backend Programming -35 Hours * $XX/hr = $XXXX Total = $XXXX

08-08-2008, 12:08 PM	#5
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08-09-2008, 03:20 AM	#8
Adult Creative Labs Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Global Posts: 221	To be honest, it is hard to say. XXXX could mean $1250, where I'd say you're getting a bargain; or it could mean $9860, where I'd say you're getting ripped off. To be honest, I don't like studios that work per hour. The per hour basis requires designers and programmers to work under huge pressure to generate good results with as little time as possible. You also have to trust that the designer is actually designing during all the hours you're paying. I strolled through a design studio (unrelated to adult) that works exclusively on the hour basis and half of the guys there had IM clients open, writing emails, etc. I don't know if they were on the clock or not, but I can totally see it happening while on the clock. The only reason to go on the hourly basis is if the client doesn't have a clue of what he wants and you can see that he's going to be requesting frequent changes of direction. Even then, the purpose wouldn't be to make more money from that client, but to discourage him from doing endless scope creeping so you can move on. The other thing about working for hourly rates is that the client is often left with the feeling that he's getting ripped off because he doesn't know why it too the studio so long to complete a certain task. In his mind, things are simpler; in reality, they aren't. A third reason is that many times the client runs out of money and can't pay for any changes he wants done and it can lead to dissatisfaction with the delivered product, ensuring that he never comes by again. Last, and I can't sustain this with hard facts, I think that studios who charge by the hour lack passion for their work as the pressure to create a certain amount of pages per hour reduces greatly the possibilities. Of course, none if this means that the per-project basis can't have similar final pricing or deadlines. Go with someone that charges you by project if able. I'd offer you our services as an alternative, but our plate is full for the rest of the month, so this is totally uninterested. __________________ . ICQ: 498299527 Email: sales -at- adultcreativelabs.com

08-09-2008, 04:43 AM	#10
Bird Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Stockton Posts: 4,365	Figure $60 an hour 60(30+15+35)= $4800 anything less would be a good deal would sound reasonable +/- $1000 So if it ended up being more than $5900 make sure they hit the deadline. if not start penalizing them -$100 a day for every day after they don't make the deadline. same goes for beating the deadline. Add +$100 for every day the beat the deadline. __________________ ICQ:268731675

08-09-2008, 05:40 AM	#11
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08-08-2008, 11:33 AM	#2
klaze So Fucking Banned Join Date: May 2008 Location: Adult Marketing Mecca Posts: 2,167	That could be some good info to a newb designer.

08-08-2008, 11:51 AM	#4
Britceleb Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 119	Naked pics of hot chicks to come if I can get some answers. lol

08-08-2008, 12:20 PM	#6
Britceleb Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 119	Site would be similar to this http://www.morganstanley.com/worldwise/ Does this help?

08-08-2008, 08:36 PM	#7
teg0 Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Gringo in Puerto Rico Posts: 4,200	Looks about right, other than the time frame seems a week longer than usual. They must have a small team.

08-09-2008, 12:06 PM	#13
klaze So Fucking Banned Join Date: May 2008 Location: Adult Marketing Mecca Posts: 2,167	Edit: nm.