Ethics is the word of the day

i see the word in every thread now..lol

kudos charles

If i owned a "illegal" tube site because I love porn and I want a community of people to share what they have found hidden deep in the burrows of the internet.

Because they just love porn and want to share the best of what they have found.

I'm just doing this to help the surfer grow as a pornissuer... When I say best off I don't mean entire members areas..

How are my ethics?

Is this thread just about Karups being bitter about the possibility of losing sales? Is his profits and bankroll what decides what Good ethics are?

Wow I forget how easily a topic can get derailed in this place.

1. Klaze, I don't know who told you all that but only about half of that is true.

2. I started in the business in 98 not with karups. I have been with them since 2001.

Robbie thanks for your comments its nice to see that people can still get along even when opinions differ.

StuartD can you email me I have something I would like to discuss with you.

I was using the earlier date because that's when I first started making money with Karups as an affiliate. No disrespect to you Charles :) My real point was that karups doesn't need mattsbeachhouse or anybodies advice. Why in the world anybody would try to tell you how to run your business or imply that you don't know what you're doing completely astounds me.

Dont waste your time with the trolls Charles..

First off were not talking about surfers doing this for the good of humanity we are talking about people that are directly creating issues for those of us who do good business. The issue is not tube sites or prechecks those are examples and only the tip of the icberg compared to some of the things i have been hearing.

Most important Karups is not bitter. We have a loyal following of members that buy our subscriptions because they know what we offer. We don't have to rely on shady tactics to make a few dollars more because we do good with long term business practices.

If you didn't catch it or I was not clear enough before this post was as a way of finding some of the people I did not know about that think like we do. Those who care more about long term business and the choices they make then fucking a surfer so hard he never comes back.

Lets do some business together... FreakBucks is clean.

Email's away :thumbsup

Charles, what kind of business did you have in mind? Other than members area upsells I'm in the dark as to what we could do for one another.

Or is the thread more directed to the handful of real affiliates with traffic rather than to other programs?

There are lots of things I have in mind and I'm looking for like minded individuals to brain storm with also. This is for program owners and affiliates. Will you be in Atlanta?

Ethics all the way and that's why we are where we are today.

Too many trolls and newbs talking smack in here for me to waste precious minutes of the day.

Chuck you know where I am and that I am with you 100%

BTW, Anybody knocking Karups either has not been in the business very long or are plain stupid :1orglaugh

Yes SoloSlutCash is one of the sponsors so I will be there. I fit both your criteria as an affiliate and a program owner. But I have to tell you that I am not in agreement over x-sells. Just because they are the "flavor of the week" here on GFY. They have been in place for many, many years with the majority of programs and the GFY "detectives" just found out about them and of course screamed to the high heavens.

But I have taken proactive measures to defend myself against tubes and torrents. I probably have no brilliant ideas that you haven't thought about yourself, but I'd be happy to sit down with my laptop and show you what I've done to protect my content and what I'm doing into the future.

I also see that you guys have a new affiliate program login. I finally got frustrated with the old one and just kinda forgot about it. It was a real pain signing up for each site separately and that old stats set up made CC Bill look modern. LOL

But this new one looks nice. I'm in the process of closing a deal on a new home in Las Vegas. So I'm a little reluctant to sign up with my current address, etc. When I make the move I'm going to have to go through over 500 affiliate programs and change my info

But your Milf site looks good. I could work with that. So as soon as I get my ass moved across country I'm gonna sign up and start promoting you again.

This is a great thread...
Good mix of opinionated trolls and successful business owners.

For the record, Dirty D is an ethical pornographer, slinging porn since '99
We are in this game for the long haul...
Never screwed anyone (except sexually) and never plan on it!

Running a affiliate program requires you to be fair with many thousands of business partners or you will never get ahead.

Owning a popular website requires you to be fair with many thousands of surfers or you will never get ahead.

We are always ready to do business with ethical webmasters and we cancel fraudulent affiliates with a quickness.

Dirty D, did you get that package I mailed you?

Cool man then lets meet up.

FYI X sales are not an issue with us if done right. Pre checked hidden cross sales or cross sales not not even on the join form buried in someone's TOS is the trend that is what concerns us. We offer X sales but we also pay the affiliates on them also.

Fuck your ethics, raaaaaaaaa! I own 7,821 tube sites. Suck it, losers! Ahahahaha!


Just kidding, I only have blogs and bills. :disgust

Dirty D, how about outdated tests or lack of tests? Is that ethical?

Then we're not that far apart. I don't think a pre-check is bad at all as long as it's in plain site, the customer gets a sales email explaining what it is and how to cancel it in a timely manner and explaining what happens if they don't AND a link to a cancel form.

Quite frankly that is what the vast majority of folks do. But I'm seeing a proliferation of trolls who are going out of their way to check peoples join pages and then if they see a pre-check they start screaming about it and putting them on "shit lists" and all kinds of craziness.
They are taking and generalizing ALL companies with x-sells and lumping them together with the couple of well-known offenders. It's not right and it hurts everybody for them to be doing that. Surfers read this shit and think they are getting "screwed". Of course the trolls raising all the hell don't care because they aren't in this business anyway. They just like hurting people and causing trouble :disgust

See? Another example of someone not trying to be in this conversation...but rather trying to stir up drama. :disgust

Its a question about ethics? Is it ethical to lie about testing or being testing?

100 real business threads.

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh heh-heh :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Fraud not be confused with making money in unethical ways. Working in adult is considered unethical by most people outside.

I believe it is considered immoral not unethical.

go ahead envy me....im raps mvp....and i ain't goin nowhere so you can get to know me

Bump for the main man Charles