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RedShoe · 08-02-2008, 10:14 PM

what the fuck am I doing wrong? I'm trying to convert 10 movies from AVI to .flv. I've tried using Cleaner, CS3, and Flash Video MX Pro.

All of them chomp thru SD with no problems, but HD... Fuck. This shit takes fucking forever, and it either doesn't look that good or is WAAAAAY to big for downloading. It takes nearly 20 times real time. My machine is overkill for this kind of work so it's not a machine issue.

How the fuck do TV shows do it? I can go to the ABC website and watch LOST, and the moment I click play it plays fast and is full frame.

How do I do that?

NoWhErE · 08-02-2008, 10:17 PM

flash streaming server
V6 On2pack codec
Hinting in the flash timeline

and a few other tricks

RedShoe · 08-02-2008, 10:22 PM

i use The V6 on2 codec... damn.. just takes forever, and it's huge file

NoWhErE · 08-02-2008, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by RedShoe

i use The V6 on2 codec... damn.. just takes forever, and it's huge file

Yup, thats normal.

The reason why other sites load so fast is cause they use HINTS inside Flash. Read up on it and you'll understand

jay23 · 08-02-2008, 10:25 PM

why not stick to 264.

i use Sorenson , the 5.0 seem to be good

also you can buy dedicated hardware to speed up the encoding , unless you do this every day its not worth it..prices start around 7k

NoWhErE · 08-02-2008, 10:26 PM

and for mass encoding HD super fast, you'll need special software and some hardware. I can't remember the software's name exactly... i'm tired.
Maybe tomorrow it will come back to me.

Anyhow, consumer progs are hella slow for HD or HDV. You need to go higher end to get the job done fast.

Jim_Gunn · 08-02-2008, 10:27 PM

Adobe Flash Encoder with the ON2 VP6 codec works the best. Or you may alternatively try Sorenson Squeeze with the same codec, but I find the audio goes out of sync with Sorenson. These apps generally encode much faster than say Cleaner XL, which doesn't even take advantage of the ON2 VP6 codec. Flix Pro by the makers of the ON2 VP6 codec is another software option to do encoding.

DeanCapture · 08-02-2008, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by RedShoe

i use The V6 on2 codec... damn.. just takes forever, and it's huge file

Red, contact me on ICQ: 127 555 062

bp4l-xp · 08-02-2008, 11:11 PM

Using VP6 for HD content is a waste of time.
I'm x264 specialist for both HD and SD content and I offer mass encodings on the server side (joining multiple clips, encoding, injecting metadata, generating multiple thumbnails).
contact me if you are interested
my contact info can be found in www.tgptools.com (Don't ICQ me, I haven't used it for years)

Deej · 08-02-2008, 11:29 PM

Sorenson FTW

mikesouth · 08-02-2008, 11:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bp4l-xp

Using VP6 for HD content is a waste of time.
I'm x264 specialist for both HD and SD content and I offer mass encodings on the server side (joining multiple clips, encoding, injecting metadata, generating multiple thumbnails).
contact me if you are interested
my contact info can be found in www.tgptools.com (Don't ICQ me, I haven't used it for years)

H.264 is the ONLY way to go with HD these days

stickyfingerz · 08-02-2008, 11:43 PM

h264 is the key.

Jim_Gunn · 08-02-2008, 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by stickyfingerz

h264 is the key.

Sticky, you going to be an Internext this week? I wanna chat about h264. I haven't played around with it yet, but I have some new projects I am considering encoding that way.

bp4l-xp · 08-03-2008, 12:02 AM

although H.264 is the key to HD (vp6-s is capable of doing HD but its expensive, lower quality compared to h.264)
but there are just too many options in H.264 to optimize quality on lower bitrates.
I spent too much time to find optimal encoding options. Without using proper encoding options, x264 is a joke.

stickyfingerz · 08-03-2008, 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim_Gunn

Sticky, you going to be an Internext this week? I wanna chat about h264. I haven't played around with it yet, but I have some new projects I am considering encoding that way.

No afraid Im missing it. We'll be at the Atlanta show. Hit me up tomorrow or Monday on icq. Bout to hit the sackola here in a few mins.

stickyfingerz · 08-03-2008, 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by bp4l-xp

although H.264 is the key to HD (vp6-s is capable of doing HD but its expensive, lower quality compared to h.264)
but there are just too many options in H.264 to optimize quality on lower bitrates.
I spent too much time to find optimal encoding options. Without using proper encoding options, x264 is a joke.

Settings really aren't all that tough.

http://www.cavecreek.com/HD-Flash-CDN.php

There is h264 .mp4 running nicely on cavecreek cdn. Our solo girl members area are now running h264. Anywho off to bed.

RedShoe · 08-03-2008, 12:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stickyfingerz

Settings really aren't all that tough.

http://www.cavecreek.com/HD-Flash-CDN.php

There is h264 .mp4 running nicely on cavecreek cdn. Our solo girl members area are now running h264. Anywho off to bed.

when I click the play button... nothing happens.

bp4l-xp · 08-03-2008, 01:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stickyfingerz

Settings really aren't all that tough.

http://www.cavecreek.com/HD-Flash-CDN.php

There is h264 .mp4 running nicely on cavecreek cdn. Our solo girl members area are now running h264. Anywho off to bed.

nice demo
by settings I mean best possible quality at the lowest possible bitrate. That is the hard part. Also, your demo video has a very little movement, fixed scene with only a girl is moving. Surely videos like that can be compressed much more than a fast porn action and they can provide better quality.

stickyfingerz · 08-03-2008, 05:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RedShoe

when I click the play button... nothing happens.

Then you need to update your flash player.

http://www.adobe.com/shockwave/downl...ShockwaveFlash

Quote:

Originally Posted by bp4l-xp

nice demo
by settings I mean best possible quality at the lowest possible bitrate. That is the hard part. Also, your demo video has a very little movement, fixed scene with only a girl is moving. Surely videos like that can be compressed much more than a fast porn action and they can provide better quality.

I understand that. However we do have all our videos in h264. Thats just the video we did for cavecreek. I can show you action movie scenes at 1500k that are flawless in h264 and encoded on just consumer end computers. That clip I showed is 1500k.

nightwar · 08-13-2008, 09:07 AM

Flash Encoding, hit me up, I can do all bitrates/formats.. Ive had alot of sucess with the conversion.

BrianL · 08-13-2008, 09:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RedShoe

what the fuck am I doing wrong? I'm trying to convert 10 movies from AVI to .flv. I've tried using Cleaner, CS3, and Flash Video MX Pro.

All of them chomp thru SD with no problems, but HD... Fuck. This shit takes fucking forever, and it either doesn't look that good or is WAAAAAY to big for downloading. It takes nearly 20 times real time. My machine is overkill for this kind of work so it's not a machine issue.

How the fuck do TV shows do it? I can go to the ABC website and watch LOST, and the moment I click play it plays fast and is full frame.

How do I do that?

The big Houses outsource the online encoding to companies that do nothing but encoding and can pull the feed right off the satellite.

We are seeing a huge rise in adoption for h.264 now that more streaming providers are able to support it and the higher bit rates can be delivered with better performance.

Hit me up if you need any help streaming those vids.

Brad Gosse · 08-13-2008, 09:35 AM

We use H.264 for flash HD compression mostly. The good streaming servers will stream h.264 using a flash player.

08-02-2008, 10:14 PM	#1
RedShoe 赤い靴 call me 202-456-1111 Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: The Valley Posts: 14,831	hi def flash encoding what the fuck am I doing wrong? I'm trying to convert 10 movies from AVI to .flv. I've tried using Cleaner, CS3, and Flash Video MX Pro. All of them chomp thru SD with no problems, but HD... Fuck. This shit takes fucking forever, and it either doesn't look that good or is WAAAAAY to big for downloading. It takes nearly 20 times real time. My machine is overkill for this kind of work so it's not a machine issue. How the fuck do TV shows do it? I can go to the ABC website and watch LOST, and the moment I click play it plays fast and is full frame. How do I do that? __________________ SPECIALTY COSTUMES • PROPS • FX Superheroes • Monsters • Robots PM for details For any manufacturing needs. Adult or otherwise. aka BonsHigh on Insta Bonsai weed plants

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08-02-2008, 10:22 PM	#3
RedShoe 赤い靴 call me 202-456-1111 Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: The Valley Posts: 14,831	i use The V6 on2 codec... damn.. just takes forever, and it's huge file __________________ SPECIALTY COSTUMES • PROPS • FX Superheroes • Monsters • Robots PM for details For any manufacturing needs. Adult or otherwise. aka BonsHigh on Insta Bonsai weed plants

08-02-2008, 10:26 PM	#6
NoWhErE Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Canada Posts: 10,435	and for mass encoding HD super fast, you'll need special software and some hardware. I can't remember the software's name exactly... i'm tired. Maybe tomorrow it will come back to me. Anyhow, consumer progs are hella slow for HD or HDV. You need to go higher end to get the job done fast. __________________ skype: lordofthecameltoe

08-02-2008, 11:29 PM	#10
Deej I make pixels work Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: I live here... Posts: 24,386	Sorenson FTW __________________ Deej's Designs n' What Not Hit me up for Design, CSS & Photo Retouching Icq#30096880

08-02-2008, 10:25 PM	#5
jay23 Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 1,444	why not stick to 264. i use Sorenson , the 5.0 seem to be good also you can buy dedicated hardware to speed up the encoding , unless you do this every day its not worth it..prices start around 7k

08-02-2008, 10:27 PM	#7
Jim_Gunn Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Where The Teens Are Posts: 5,702	Adobe Flash Encoder with the ON2 VP6 codec works the best. Or you may alternatively try Sorenson Squeeze with the same codec, but I find the audio goes out of sync with Sorenson. These apps generally encode much faster than say Cleaner XL, which doesn't even take advantage of the ON2 VP6 codec. Flix Pro by the makers of the ON2 VP6 codec is another software option to do encoding.

08-02-2008, 11:11 PM	#9
bp4l-xp Confirmed User Join Date: May 2003 Location: Turkiye Posts: 168	Using VP6 for HD content is a waste of time. I'm x264 specialist for both HD and SD content and I offer mass encodings on the server side (joining multiple clips, encoding, injecting metadata, generating multiple thumbnails). contact me if you are interested my contact info can be found in www.tgptools.com (Don't ICQ me, I haven't used it for years)

08-02-2008, 11:43 PM	#12
stickyfingerz Doin fine Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 24,984	h264 is the key.

08-03-2008, 12:02 AM	#14
bp4l-xp Confirmed User Join Date: May 2003 Location: Turkiye Posts: 168	although H.264 is the key to HD (vp6-s is capable of doing HD but its expensive, lower quality compared to h.264) but there are just too many options in H.264 to optimize quality on lower bitrates. I spent too much time to find optimal encoding options. Without using proper encoding options, x264 is a joke.

08-13-2008, 09:07 AM	#20
nightwar Registered User Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Cleveland Ohio Posts: 25	Flash Encoding, hit me up, I can do all bitrates/formats.. Ive had alot of sucess with the conversion.

08-13-2008, 09:35 AM	#22
Brad Gosse Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Carpal Tunnel Posts: 2,616	We use H.264 for flash HD compression mostly. The good streaming servers will stream h.264 using a flash player. __________________ Free Clipart