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10-24-2002, 11:13 AM

Just reading all this stuff about James the brother of Jesus....If they were born in the middle east and were arab that makes them kind of black...and I would say with Muslim influence....

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10-24-2002, 11:15 AM

Jesus studied black majic in Egypt?

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10-24-2002, 11:16 AM

so you actually believe he had blonde hair and blue eyes,, LOL
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10-24-2002, 11:17 AM

Originally posted by Krome
Just reading all this stuff about James the brother of Jesus....If they were born in the middle east and were arab that makes them kind of black...and I would say with Muslim influence....

I though I would post it here as I know 12 Clicks will be pleased....

Jesus was a Jew. A Semite. Arabs are semites as well. As for being Muslim influenced--NO. Islam was "revealed" to Mohammed about 600 years after the birth of Jesus. Jesus and Judaism DID influence Islam--there's even a chapter in the Koran on Jesus and Moses [each].

And yes, early Islam wiped out the Jewish community of Medina during the lifetime of Mohammed.

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10-24-2002, 11:18 AM

If Jesus did exist he did NOT have blonde hair and blue eyes. No way not with his background.

Even if his father was a Roman Soldier (like some books say) he would still be pretty dark.

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10-24-2002, 11:20 AM

There was a show on discovery awhile back which showed what he probably looked like. Darkish, big nose, etc.

Basically like a dark jew.
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10-24-2002, 11:23 AM

Originally posted by playa
so you actually believe he had blonde hair and blue eyes,, LOL

some people actually do!
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10-24-2002, 11:24 AM

Originally posted by steffie
If Jesus did exist he did NOT have blonde hair and blue eyes. No way not with his background.

Even if his father was a Roman Soldier (like some books say) he would still be pretty dark.

Early Christian Jews and Jews did not like each other. They both prosletyzed -- Jews stop converting people into the faith after the Christian faith became the official Roman religion. There was a lot of competition among the two.

You can see this in the New Testament, it was written to make the Jews seem anti-Roman. The Jews were portrayed to have been responsible for the killing of Christ although it was actually the Romans.

In response, the Jews labelled Jesus as a Roman bastard. Plus they also martyred many of the early Christian Jews [born Jews who became Christs' followers].

This tension played out all through European history as the Christians both hated but needed Jews. They hated them because they refused to accept Christ. But they also needed them, specially during the Dark Ages, because many Jews provided merchant, medical, legal, scientific services and other crucial skills.

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10-24-2002, 11:44 AM

well jesus was a Swed but addopted away to the middle est.
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10-24-2002, 12:01 PM

Ok so would Jeus being born in that area be prone to sucide bombing tendancies...and the want to flt planes into towers that looked alike?
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10-24-2002, 12:10 PM

Originally posted by steffie
If Jesus did exist he did NOT have blonde hair and blue eyes. No way not with his background.

Even if his father was a Roman Soldier (like some books say) he would still be pretty dark.

Fuck - that's funny. I'm a total non-believer but presuming we are saying here that Jesus was the son of god and it isn't just BS, what on earth would his colour have to do with Mary's husband?

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10-24-2002, 12:12 PM

That is what Jesus would have looked like, and I think thats what pisses people off so much.
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10-24-2002, 12:14 PM

Originally posted by [Labret]

That is what Jesus would have looked like, and I think thats what pisses people off so much.

Maybe with a slightly bigger nose.

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10-24-2002, 12:27 PM

didnt they arrest god sleeping in a car early this AM ?

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10-24-2002, 12:30 PM

Originally posted by playa
so you actually believe he had blonde hair and blue eyes,, LOL

So you actually believe in him? LOL

True there was a Jesus, but he wasn't the son of a god. Peter Jennings set me straight in his quest for Jesus.

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10-24-2002, 12:34 PM

One of the 12 tribes of "Israel" the bible talks about is in Ethopia....there is a jewish population there to this day, and at one point there was a fund to help bring many of them to what is called Israel today and also to help them eat etc....

Somehow you don't really hear too much about them though....

While we're on the subject of a black Jesus and the blond hair blue eye myth, how about X-mas, easter eggs etc.....all thats taken from paganism by the 'modern' church when they couldn't get people to stop with their pagan traditions.

Mistletow for example is an important part of the Druidic relegion (think stonehenge).

How many big green pine tree's have you seen in the Middle East?

Gotta love this stuff.

MassiveCock must have a great conspiracy theory about all this though...

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10-24-2002, 12:46 PM

Originally posted by RedShoe

So you actually believe in him? LOL

True there was a Jesus, but he wasn't the son of a god. Peter Jennings set me straight in his quest for Jesus.

I have been reading some of your posts and they are interesting--specially re religion. As an atheist, how would you feel if everything of value to you is violently ripped from you? Basically, everything of comfort you have has been reduced to nothing.

I understand a believer would turn to his god or supernatural philosophy and try to find some meaning. Those who follow Nietzche and the concept of "good" and "evil" would find this shallow and weak.

What would an atheist do? Turn inward and just accept that the world is unfair and there is really no justice and that life is meaningless? Is this necessarily bad or empty? What if he is to realize that it could have been him behind the trigger as well? Is this a condemnation of the heart of man?

For centuries, classical philosophers and theologians have argued that the concept of God or "higher" beings separate us from animals. Is this a conceit? Is this an artificial separation? Is morality a fiction? Is Nietszche correct in arguing that a heightened reality is heightened strength...beyond morality? That the ability to pull the trigger, to impose judgment, and to punish...makes you the law, make you ...the end point of judgment?

Personally, I have my doubts.

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10-24-2002, 12:51 PM

My basic belief is humans are no different from other animal. We eat, shit, fuck, die.

Is there an afterlife? Nobody really knows. and if there is it probably is vastly different than the form which religions have taught.
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10-24-2002, 12:55 PM

Originally posted by ColKurtz
My basic belief is humans are no different from other animal. We eat, shit, fuck, die.

Is there an afterlife? Nobody really knows. and if there is it probably is vastly different than the form which religions have taught.

So, by that rationale [the analogy of human as animal], the use of force against other humans is justified if you can wield that force? Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, Andrew Jackson, et al should not be judged because they were just exercising their will on those unfortunate enough to be weak? Morality is a fiction? How about law? Is it a fiction as well?

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10-24-2002, 01:01 PM

I look at morality as basically common sense with an egocentric goal.

Example: I'm not gonna steal from you, because then you would steal from me or kick my ass.

So it would be in my personal best interest not to do bad things to other people.

That is just basic rationale. Not something handed down on a stone tablet.

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10-24-2002, 01:09 PM

Originally posted by ColKurtz

That is just basic rationale. Not something handed down on a stone tablet.

i have to disagree with you on that one,,

yes we are quite similar to animals
but animals can't read or write and study the past
they only have instincts,

that rationale had to be learned somewhere
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10-24-2002, 01:10 PM

As for the picking on the weak. If a dictator is mistreating its people, then its the job of the people to band together for the greater good of overthowing that person.

I think maybe the underlying question is. If you do really shitty things to people, is there some kind of higher power punishment down the road.

Nobody knows. and if not, then people have an excuse to do bad things to everyone.

I think this is part of creation of religion. To control people.
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10-24-2002, 01:22 PM

Originally posted by ColKurtz

Nobody knows. and if not, then people have an excuse to do bad things to everyone.

I think this is part of creation of religion. To control people.

well like momma always said it won't hurt to do it,

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10-24-2002, 01:36 PM

Originally posted by ColKurtz
As for the picking on the weak. If a dictator is mistreating its people, then its the job of the people to band together for the greater good of overthowing that person.

I think maybe the underlying question is. If you do really shitty things to people, is there some kind of higher power punishment down the road.

Nobody knows. and if not, then people have an excuse to do bad things to everyone.

I think this is part of creation of religion. To control people.

Is the use of religion to control people necessarily bad? Although I am not advocating religion specifically, if there is no control mechanism, this Earth could end up like Pitcairn island--small bands of humans that ended up killing each other.

I think most people would agree with Hobbes' idea that humans, in their most basic nature, are brutal and would kill each other without hesitation if there is some advantage to be had.

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10-24-2002, 01:37 PM

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10-24-2002, 01:57 PM

Jesus have no father, remember. Virgin mary is his mother.
So, he can be blonde / blue eyes or dark. Does it matter?
Because of his positive energy, he should look beautiful IMHO

and I remember, it was the jews who decided to kill Jesus, so why christians accept jews that much? (They saved a jew thief, instead of saving messiah)

it is a known thing, jews support other jews

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10-24-2002, 01:59 PM

Originally posted by XP
Jesus have no father, remember. Virgin mary is his mother.
So, he can be blonde / blue eyes or dark. Does it matter?
Because of his positive energy, he should look beautiful IMHO

and I remember, it was the jews who decided to kill Jesus, so why christians accept jews that much? (They saved a jew thief, instead of saving messiah)

it is a known thing, jews support other jews

re the "Christ killer" myth: Jews were portrayed to have been responsible for the killing of Christ although it was actually the Romans.

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10-24-2002, 02:39 PM

Originally posted by pimplink

re the "Christ killer" myth: Jews were portrayed to have been responsible for the killing of Christ although it was actually the Romans.

didn't the roman leader gave the crowd an option to choose which one to go free
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