Dollarmansteve

So I read this little article:

http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblog...nspot-mys.html

apparently the sun isn't ramping up its sunspot activity like it's supposed to - last couple times it happened it resulted in 1 mini ice age and 1 gigantic 1000 year long ice age..

How would Toyota market its cars without global warming?? What would political candidates base election platforms on if there isn't the big bad global warming boogy man - what will Al Gore's next career move be? what will every little enviro-nazi do with their spare time???

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ffmihai

theres no such thing like global warming.

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kane

The simple fact is that the earth is in a warming cycle. Almost all scientist agree with this. The question everyone is asking is are we effecting it. Meaning are our actions on the planet causing it to warm more than it normally would? There are people on both sides of that argument.

If there were no global warming scare politicians would be fine. There are plenty of other things to worry about out there.

dav3

They are right! Nothing at all to worry about!!



Watch a documentary on Venus. Then tell me you would like to continue on the fast track to atmospheric conditions like that.

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baddog

Oh man, a little knowledge is a dangerous thing.

dav3

Lack of knowledge is even more dangerous.

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baddog

Be that as it may, comparing Venus to Earth is like comparing Schwinn to Harley-Davidson.

xmas13

What about humanoid rabbits? Women want countless babies, men want countless soldiers.

We are up 5 billion since 1900, in just one century.
Brazil went from 17 million to 190 million inhabitants in one century.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_population

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xmas13

http://www.newscientist.com/channel/...te-reason.html

Seven reasons why people hate reason

* 23 July 2008
* Special Report from New Scientist

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"You cannot simultaneously prevent and prepare for war." - Albert Einstein

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dav3

If we continue with the amount of air pollution being dumped in the the atmosphere, they will become identical in the future.

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datawookiee

ofcourse there's global warming, the natural kind and the kind we bring into play. However the global temperature does fluctuate a lot with the ages, But the fact that were making the fluctuations more extreme is what the "global warming" alarm is all about. I mean sure.. mankind will survive it, but we'd be a lot better off without.

Dollarmansteve

Really? It's a fact? jan '07 - jan '08 gobal temperatures dropped shaprly, by 0.7 degrees.

Did anyone actually read the article? lol

I don't think anyone disagrees with the fact that the global climate is volatile, but "global warming" is like a retard catch-all phrase, kinda like "the Iraq was was about oil", as in ignorantly oversimplified.

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SZNY

The earth/climate is changing very fast. In fact this year is the 1st year there will be no ice on the north pole :-(

Global warming is not a fashion word or something politicians use to win new soles with, its real and its a 100% fact. The animals and the insects for example bees are upset. Here in Holland the scientists finds out that the bees wake up 2 months to early. This is just a small example.

We can all stick our head in the sand but personally I'm very afraid what the future will bring us if we don't anything. Maybe we will not experience much of this but think about our children and their children in what kind of world they would life in ...

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kane

Check this out
http://www.epa.gov/climatechange/science/recentcc.html
The epa agrees that the earth is warming. If you click on the temp link and follow it to the graph you get this page http://www.epa.gov/climatechange/sci...ttc_triad.html which shows that since the late 70's the earth has been in a steady state of warming. So it went down some last year...big deal. Overall it is in a warming cycle.

I'll try to hot link the graph here

kane

Also. There are many scientist who say that warming periods on the earth are followed by Ice Ages. Is that where we are headed?

pocketkangaroo

It is all made up. All the scientists around the world have gotten together to create this fraud. Just like they did with evolution, gravity, and heliocentrism.

tony286

Yep dont believe them but believe right wing pundits makes perfect sense to me. lol

biskoppen

I wonder if the cars The Flintones were riding causes all the previous global warming periods..

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kane

It was Fred's gas.

biskoppen

There you go

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Dollarmansteve

aight, clearly no one is actually gonna read the article. Basically, if the sun doesn't start getting it's act together we are all gonna be wearing our wool socks permanently. The activity of the sun has like 100x more effect of earth's climate than Joe USA in his SUV. In the grand scheme of things, we're insignificant little specs of cosmic dirt.

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GatorB

How about more threads like

"Round earth? I'm sure it's flat"

or

"Sun the center of the solar system, not Earth? Can we be sure?"

stickyfingerz

I fixed it for you.

pocketkangaroo

Come on man, you are in the party of the "6,000 year old Earth".

stickyfingerz

Really the whole party thinks that? News to 98% of us lol.

pocketkangaroo

2%? Try 60%. A 3rd of the candidates in the primary flat out said that they don't believe in evolution. The guy who came in 2nd place in your primary doesn't believe in evolution. John McCain came out a couple years ago and said he supports the teaching of intelligent design in schools.

But hey, maybe I got it all wrong. It's not like you guys elected someone who believes intelligent design should be taught in schools and that the "jury is still out on evolution".

Lets be honest, science and Republicans don't exactly make good bedfellows.

stickyfingerz

Not sure what all that has to do with whether the "scientists" were right or not about the ozone layer, deforestation, and the impending ice age.

pocketkangaroo

I just have a harder time taking the Republican talking points into account when it comes to science stuff.

And I'm not sure what you're trying to get out of the ozone and deforestation parts.

Deforestation takes place. I think the debate on what exactly it will cause is still out there, although it does effect water levels and the diversity of the environments. It has a lot of negative effects.

The ozone is another one I'm not sure what you're trying to get at. Are you saying that it doesn't exist? That there weren't holes in it? The Montreal Protocal has been deemed succesful by scientists across the globe. I believe the only debate was on whether the ozone would repair itself or not.

Science constantly evolves (I know you Republicans don't like that word!) and changes based on new information and technologies. They have been wrong about a lot of things and will continue to do so. But they also get more and more things right with more and more research. I have no doubt that if politicians stay away from science, they will eventually figure out what is going on and what the effects will be.

The bottomline is that I trust the opinion of scientists over politicians. Republicans giving science advise is akin to a homeless man giving you stock tips.

tony286

Sticky you believe like fred flintstone shit, cavemen and dinosaurs living together? You silly right wingers Yabba dabba doo lol

dav3

Consume Less

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Hmmmm... cow says global warming is just like cow tipping...

papill0n

The whole point of the debate is that humans need to rethink how we do things. It is a fool indeed who thinks we can continue to churn out billion of tonnes of crap into our atmosphere and it have no effect on the planet.

Bird

better hope not, We would all be out of business.

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Dollarmansteve

Seriously, so no one is going to read the article? I didn't start this thread to start a global warming debate, someone just read the ariticle for fuck sakes - it's not even an anti-global warming article, it's about a bunch of solar scientists for fuck.

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Dollarmansteve

Another member of "I didn't even read the first post or the link to the article that was posted".

I give GFY way too much credit.

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Cyndalie

I really like that site, I read it at lunch all the time, it's one of my favorite blogs.

People often confuse global warming with pollution. Whether global warming or climate change is caused by an increase of CO2 into the atmosphere is the debate. Pollution and the other shit just funkifies the planet. I think Global Warming is a modern myth, that climate change is cyclical for the planet. Being aware of our impact on the environment is necessary, perserve and protect...but not everything about this latest version of the 'green movement' is all good and well intended.

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TheDoc

Humans are not hurting the Earth or it's Atmospheres.

I'm all for keeping the planet clean, water clean, air clean, ect.. we need to survive, not because of heat/cold because of what these actually do to the human body and mind.

Earth, her Oceans, they pollute more co2, methane, ect ect ect, every day, than Humans do every year in every way.

This isn't the warmest the earth has been with Humans on it, not even close. Just think... the "warmer" it gets, the "older we live", by a lot. Now, ask yourself do you really want it to be cold?

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Quagmire

You realize where you are right? This is GFY, where the average attention span is half that of a 3 year old.

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kowalsky

You don´t need to be scientist to know about global warning, don´t need to read studies or to wait the words from a guru. It is right there, pay attention to the way that the weather has changed from the past 10 years. Also ice layer are getting melt on both poles, too fast. Who can´t see that is because is blind.

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Dollarmansteve

There is a large part of the global warming/climate change crowd that has become ignorant and dogmatic - it's like a religion now. This change happened slowly as large corporations began using "green" marketing, and thus recruited the brainless masses to be "eco-warriors" - indoctornated them with partial truths, flat-out misinformation and propoganda - to save the world through consumption. Save the environment by buying cars and spending more money on environmentally friendly consumer goods. Does anyone else remember the 1980s? Right around 1985 - 1989 to be exact. The environment was really popular back then, our big problems were CFCs (chlorofluorocarbons - bad for the ozone layer.. omgrotflbbq!!!!!1111 there's a hole in teh ozones!!), acid raid (caused by particulate pollution from cars and industry) and rainforest deforestation. There was a big marketing push back then too, Greenpeace had great recruitment back then, "CFC free" aerosols, the WWF, buy an acre of rainforest.. we did school projects on it, etc, etc.. good times.

Anyway, there is no longer intelligent debate, there is just tribalism - you are either a devoted follower if or a heretic. If you dare question global warming or the motivations of its most ardent supporters, you are cast as "having your head in the sand" or "ignoring the problem". The irony and hypocrisy is so thick it's barely tolerable. In 5 years we'll be too busy dealing with some other problem, the "green" marketing will have lost its ability to produce "green", the housing market will be recovered... it'll be 1995 again and no one will give two shits about global warming, the environment, etc..

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tranza

Man this is bad!!

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TheDoc

You have to look past 10 years, As Steve pointed about above, About 20-25 years ago we had this same thing with the ozone and acid rains. In the 1970's cooling was an issue, thought that it might kill off poor nations, the media played it as a coming ice age and in the 70's, 80's, and 1991 - it was thought that pollution cooled the earth, not warmed it.

Global Warming isn't in question, Global Warming happens, we get cold and hot, not over 10 years but over 100's and 1000's of years. The question was, did Humans contribute to Global Warming over the last 100 years, which has been found to not be true.

The Ice Melting, has a scientific explanation, and it has nothing to do with Humans and nothing Humans can do will stop it. Earth, with Humans on it has been covered in Ice and it has also had no ice, at all. Neither of which had anything to do with Humans.

The entire Human Global Warming and going Green, is nothing more than about making the big Greens from people that by into the hype. And tons of people are buying into the hype.

As I said, I'm for keeping the Planet clean and doing as little as possible to damage it, but not because of warm/cold patterns. But because of what it does to us Humans directly, which is the only effect 'we' have on this planet.

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sltr

i read the art, 2x, thx for the link

i guess not everyone knows what global warming is.

fyi- global warming is the ave temp of near earth atmosphere and oceans.

solar variation (sun spots) do NOT contribute an significant impact to global warming, research has shown.



this thread=fail

Martin

The poles are shifting.

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Dollarmansteve

Really? The solar cycle has no effect on the earth's climate? I would love to read the research that shows this, im too lazy to use google. Seems like, the big giant ball of nuclear fire that causes all our seasons, etc might have some effect on the climate, but shit i'm no meteorologist / climatologist / astrophysicist.

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Dollarmansteve

Watched a great documentary on this actually, on changes in the Earth's magnetic field.. and how it flip-flops like every 100,000 years or something.

It's interesting how all of human knowledge has been amassed in like 0.0001% of the earth's existence, our frame of reference is so scientifcally insignificant it's laughable. Yet, we think we have it allll figured out.. lolz

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Dollarmansteve

I found this here

That change appears to be too small to significantly affect global average temperatures in the lower atmosphere. But the ebb and flow of solar radiation can heat and cool the stratosphere enough to change its circulation patterns, which may have significant impacts on regional climate. In the case of the Little Ice Age, for example, Europe and North America felt the temperature drop most strongly.

The Sun may have other, more subtle climate impacts. Some researchers speculate that energy from the Sun may influence global temperatures indirectly by affecting the formation of clouds. Others speculate that plant growth, which appears to vary during solar cycles, may respond to variations in solar energy.

Which suggest that solar cycles don't affect lower atmospheric temperatures. But, ocean / ground level temps are a local variable, and it does make sense that a higher-level change say in the statosphere could indirectly affect the variables used to measure so-called "global warming". The earth's climate is a complex system as I understand it - hence why it takes so much computing power to try and model it... and what makes it so unpredictable. It maybe in fact be a chaotic system.. where predicting the localized/specific changes on a local level when given a global change.. is next to impossible.

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Tempest

Cool.. We don't have to worry about global warming anymore.. The sun is going to fix it for us.. Yay!

Gnus

Funny thing you say that. I live in central Illinois and we haven't reached 100 degrees yet this year been a pretty mild summer so far. Usually we've had a couple 100 degree days by now and it's almost August.

Gary

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