:eek7 How about.... falling over?

Why? Why would it do that?

Because that's what every other building in the history of the world has done when it falls (other than controlled demolitions)?
Because that's what happens when something really big hits something really tall?
Because something with a huge hole in it is likely to have a weaker point on one side than the other and thus likely to fail on one side before the other?

Want more reasons?

You do know how evil works right?
I'm not saying that Bush did it... but this is the exact same thing Hitler did... and it worked for him

If the fire was in the lowest stories this could very well had happened, but it was in the upper stories.. and if you watch the videos you'll actually see that the part of the building above fire fires kinda fall over than the whole thing collapses.. the rest of it just goes pancake

With the weight of all the levels above the point where it finally collapsed and the height of the building gravity simply does it job.

Hitler, all his cronies, and all law enforcement privy to the knowledge sat back and let an outside terrorist attack take place that killed thousands of their own citizens without lifting one finger to prevent it?

A while back i saw a Dutch demolition expert on tv who looked at the footage of the building collapses. To him there was nothing weird about the fact that it came down the way it did...without explosives. Why do i prefer to believe him instead of you...oh yeah i know why.

And if you think its even remotely plausible that Bush and co. did the above you're a god damn moron. simple as that.

I hate bush and his crew as much as the next guy, but never in a million years will you ever convince me that those fucking failures are actually criminal masterminds of the highest order to pull off such a crime flawlessly as the 9-11 truthers expect you to believe.

I would have to turn my brain off and throw all capacity of logic and reason out the fucking window.

Do not try to confuse the troofers with logic or commons sense. They wear the tin foil specifically to block that stuff out. :1orglaugh

Here this is simple. Have you ever played Jenga?

The plane pulled out about 4 pieces 1/4 down from the top. JENGA! See what happens when a floor and a half of outer and inner support beams give way and an ungodly amount of weight drops 15 feet onto the floor below. The next floor gives way, another 13 to 15 feet all that weight drops, then the next, then the next. The center supports gave a nice kind of guide and they broke off as it all slid. Pancaking.

http://love2ride.smugmug.com/photos/112011100-O.jpg


50 loose brained documentaries..

I wooden block game for kids meant to fall down can't compare to 100-storey steel frame structures meant to take airplane crashes.

Besides, the pancake collapse was abandoned as the official theory since it was too unlikely and there was too much post-destruction footage showing there was no stack, no evidence of pancaking.

Now the official conspiracy claim is that the fires softened the steel which led to the collapses. My question is how fire in about ten stories near the top of the towers lead to global softening of every girder and column right to the bottom of both buildings, evenly and symetrically, so that they flowed smoothly to the ground.

Secondary Explosions. Short videos, watch them.









Also I keep going back to building 7. How did that building fall?

Really, don't get sucked into this. Every tiny detail of 9/11 has been argued to death, there's nothing new. Those that believe it was a conspiracy aren't going to change their minds now and neither are those who believe the official story.

Just give it a rest.
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911 conspiracy theorists are kind of like religious zealots. They sincerely believe what they're saying, while the rest of the rational world wonders how in the hell they come up with that crap. :disgust

Or maybe they just like yanking your chain. Makes a lot more sense.

You aren't going to get this. Didnt matter if the floors below were made of titanium. Once that much mass starts to crash towards earth nothing is going to stop it.

I have never even seen it.

The troofers believe with religious fervor any piece of evidence no matter how outlandish that supports their ridiculous theories and they dismiss the mountains of evidence which disprove their beliefs as "propaganda"..... and then they have the gall to refer to all non-believers as "sheep." Lets just hope that they don't breed. :disgust

They won't. Didn't you know that reproduction is just a clever scheme by the military/industrial complex to maintain the supply of "sheep" to feed their ravenous appetite for taxpayers, voters, soldiers......

Check the date of the speech. Listen to what he's saying. Look into his eyes. These people are for real.

and thus the perfect hoax

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man how can i get in on the money train with the next one

Not stop it, but slowed it down. Offered some resistance. There was zero resistance. The top part that started going down had four times its mass and and conserved energy in its path. It's not like it was raised a thousand feet in the air and dropped; it had no velocity.

Even if the lower seventy floors were made of glass they couldn't have fallen so fast.

Remember the laws of motion and path of least resistance principle from science class?

Buildings can't "collapse" that way. It's physically impossible. Not without a little help.

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Take a look at the footage you dumb fuck. The debris is falling down faster than the building itself.

Where did you here about that? On some retarded internet docu maybe?
Youre an imbecile. You really are.

If this was a massive planned conspiracy I give them props for keeping everyone involved quiet.

Thousands of people know what happened and have not told anyone.

God damn some dude can't even steal 1mill from a company and keep the accountant quiet...

Yes, talk to Frank on these matters. He very educated in this feild.

You don't have to be as smart as Frank though to know that when a building is on fire it just disinagrates too nothing. :disgust

Here we go again..the fire theory. A plane crashed into it you fucking dumb fucking moron! Fucking amazing how dumb you people can get. Talking about experts. You leave out the fucking plane and blame a fire. Dumb imbecile.

Frank no amount of logic or evidence will convince a troofer that his quasi-religious beliefs are wrong. There is no help for these people other than a lobotomy and a padded room.

The middle of the building was on fire with a constant supply of JET FUEL! a fucking swimming pool of jet fuel!

This wasn't no 2nd floor house fire...

You add such spice to the debate.

Chill out, if you don't want to respond with some semi-reasoned argument, why bother?

I've seen the footage. Thousand foot building. Ten, fifteen seconds? That's 10 stories a second. Faster than falling through air, practically.

And lots of that debris you're talking about, yes. Most of that ejected, flung with force, up and/or away sideways from the building. That's not collapse behaviour.

And I've seen demolitions, and collapses, with my own beady eyes. And you don't have to be an expert to see it makes no sense to have three buildings fall virtually the same way on the same day all with different initiating events.

One, I could buy it. Three? I don't.

Actually not so.

Most of the jet fuel burned off in minutes. What was left was burning carpets and desks and chairs.

In the second crash actually most of the fuel fireballed outside the building.

I'm not a truther but I'm a doubter of the bullshit conspiracy theory the government gave us which most people believe like religious fundamentalist zealots.

It's funny watching Frank blow a gasket over this shit. :1orglaugh


Have a good weekend Franky.

Watch it at 6:00 minutes

Ok, cool they actually debate the Popular Mechanics guys... but what's your point?

Was it a good debate? What's the whole URL?

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You, sir, are a pooper.

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Dude, there's no mountain of evidence that supports the governement theory. There's actually little to NO evidence for their claims.

There's scientific and eyewitness proof that supports controlled demolition.

I don't believe in the fucked up spaceray theories. In fact I don't believe in any theory. I just know what I saw. A building destruction.

I don't know "who" dunnit and that's not the point.

Post your mountains. I still have nothing convincing.

Oh, you, you're a pooper!

I haven't actually seen real discussion here about this, just freaks freaking and nay-sayers scoffing and boffing.

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Dude, like Dirty F said, planes hit the building man. Planes! That's crazy dude, and no matter what kind of structural engineer you are, you can't build a building that can withstand a direct hit from a missile that big (yes, a plane loaded with fuel traveling that fast might as well have been a missile.)

What do you expect the buildings to do? Just sit there? If they wanted to use the controlled demolition thing then why not just do what happened at the first WTC attack and set off a bomb at the base of the building, where damaging enough supports is guaranteed to lead to a collapse. Furthermore, why even bother with a straight up and down demolition if you're trying to fool people. Wouldn't it make more logic to have the collapse act the same as your everyday collapse?

Come on man, there is a huge difference between impossible and improbable. However improbable it might be that the planes made the building crash, sometimes shit that isn't supposed to happen but can happen, happens. That's just the way things are.

If you do your research, yes those buildings were made to take more than a plane, and in fact had stabilized with little or no structural damage except to the localized impact area. There was no physical reason for them to collapse.

At the first basement attack they blew the thing too far from any central support columns; and even then blowing one wouldn't have led to a collapse.

And they did try to make it seem as a "normal" collapse because of the plane impacts, but those can't be cause for collapse...

Ok, with one building that would wash. With THREE? and totally different causes? And aluminum plane impacts on floor # 75 0r 80 won't weaken floor #60, 50 20 or blow out the lobby. There's some "weirdness" that's acceptable, but that three or four planes can fly out of range and not be intercepted for HOURS, that three buildings hit by two planes can all smoothly flow to the ground without apparent reason, is beyond the realm of being "just the way things are."

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You seem to think unlikely = impossible when, in reality, it doesn't. However unlikely it is, it is still possible. You know how likely it is that from a single cell something can form as complex as humans? That is WAY WAY WAY more unlikely than a few buildings collapsing yet here I am, proving you wrong.

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