ADVICE: I want to get a nice HD Camcorder for Home use. Flash or Hard Drive?

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  • boneprone
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    • Jan 2001
    • 34415

    #1

    ADVICE: I want to get a nice HD Camcorder for Home use. Flash or Hard Drive?

    Hey people. I want to get a nice new HD camcorder.

    Looking at the new Sony's and Canons.

    Whats good?

    And should I get Flash or Harddrive??

    Or tape?

    These Flash ones, how much record time in HD can you get on em?

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  • Deej
    I make pixels work
    • Jun 2005
    • 24386

    #2
    All I can say is your looking at the right brands for home use camcorders... they both produce decent handhelds that do the trick... get one that takes a wide angle lens attachment... it will just boost the quality for some things

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    • DeanCapture
      Haters & Trolls SUCK!
      • Dec 2002
      • 9275

      #3
      Originally posted by boneprone
      Hey people. I want to get a nice new HD camcorder.

      Looking at the new Sony's and Canons.

      Whats good?

      And should I get Flash or Harddrive??

      Or tape?

      These Flash ones, how much record time in HD can you get on em?
      Boneprone, check out the Sony SR-11. You can find them for less than $1K and they are pretty damn nice.
      I shot this footage with one!
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      • Evil E
        Confirmed User
        • Apr 2005
        • 3201

        #4
        Nice stuff Dean, what kind of lighting/other equipment did you use for that footage?


        A girl once told me "Give me 8 inches and make it HURT".

        So, I fucked her twice and hit her with a brick.

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        • DirtyDanza
          Confirmed User
          • Aug 2002
          • 8375

          #5
          simple answer..

          Neither..

          You want tape...


          see below thread

          http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?t=841323
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          • DeanCapture
            Haters & Trolls SUCK!
            • Dec 2002
            • 9275

            #6
            Originally posted by Evil E
            Nice stuff Dean, what kind of lighting/other equipment did you use for that footage?
            2 light setup on 2 of those scenes - 1 light on the other one. Sony SR-11 HD camera with a BeachTek audio adapter which allowed for using my Sennheiser overhead boom mic. Edited in Sony Vegas Pro.

            I'm pretty happy with the footage. The camera doesn't have the resolution that one of the high-end $6000 HD cameras would have but I think it has enough resolution for what I need it for. We may step up to one of those more expensive cameras though real soon because although the footage from the SR-11 is nice, the camera doesn't offer much in the way of manual controls...and I hate shooting stuff on automatic!
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            • Major (Tom)
              So Fucking Banned
              • Nov 2003
              • 32492

              #7
              Originally posted by boneprone
              Hey people. I want to get a nice new HD camcorder.

              Looking at the new Sony's and Canons.

              Whats good?

              And should I get Flash or Harddrive??

              Or tape?

              These Flash ones, how much record time in HD can you get on em?
              i use a sony that has the sxs cards. holds 100 gigs of HD and you could pop it in your express card slot and transfer it in at 100mbs. they use the same camera for dirty jobs and those other tv shows. it was like 5-6k. i will get you the model # in a bit. great camera.
              DUKE

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              • Orgazilla
                Registered User
                • Jul 2008
                • 46

                #8
                get hard drive...

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                • Tat2Jr
                  Confirmed User
                  • Feb 2001
                  • 4882

                  #9
                  I've been using a AVCHD flash based camera for about a year. (The Panasonic HDC-SD1). Not using tapes has been AWESOME. No dropouts, no tape storage problems, ect. Some of my tapes from 1997-2000 aren't holding up as well as I'd like. With AVCHD I just use a 4GB or 8GB SDHD card and then burn the raw files to a single or double layer DVD for storage. This cheap consumer model has a MUCH MUCH better picture then my Sony VX2100 could ever record.

                  Editing has gotten easier, but is still a bitch. Adobe still doesn't support AVCHD, and I still like/use Premiere 6.5 which doesn't support any HD. I use Ulead Video Studio 11.5+ to convert the AVCHD files to DV. Take the DV files into Premiere to find my in/out points and edit audio if needed. Then go back into Ulead and edit the files (bring the WAV files in if I edited audio). Ulead has a proxy file option to help edit the HD files (makes a small VCD/DV file that it uses in place of the HD file but the edits are done on the actual HD file), but I like using Premiere for my editing. It's "snappier".

                  AVCHD has come a LONG way. Mine records at 13Mbps, but the new ones coming out are recording in the full AVCHD standard of 24Mbps, and in 1080p. They are saying that the 24Mbps ones are HDV killers. I'm not going to argue if they are correct or not, but I do like not using tape alot. I will be replacing mine by the end of the year with one of the new ones. Either Canon or Sony.

                  Here's the new Canon coming out:
                  http://www.camcorderinfo.com/content...HG21-35382.htm

                  To answer your question - I wouldn't bother with a hard drive unit for 2 reasons. The cards are perfect sized for DVD backups (if I record a 10GB scene and don't have a bluray burner how do I back it up?), and the hard drive is a moving part that can break that I'd rather just not have in my camera.

                  Here's a sample video I shot with my SD1. It's a torrent. Feel free to seed it if you want.
                  http://www.amateurupskirts.com/promo...96.TPB.torrent
                  Last edited by Tat2Jr; 07-24-2008, 03:25 AM.
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                  • Evil E
                    Confirmed User
                    • Apr 2005
                    • 3201

                    #10
                    Thanks for the info and vid Tat2Jr. I'm downloading it and will be seeding it for the day or so.


                    A girl once told me "Give me 8 inches and make it HURT".

                    So, I fucked her twice and hit her with a brick.

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                    • CIVMatt
                      Amateur Pimpin
                      • Aug 2004
                      • 13075

                      #11
                      I bought a Sony SR11 and love it, HD all the way, no more tapes, I can record for HOURS

                      although I cant figure out how to get it to record in SD... lol
                      Make easy money with Webcams

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                      • boneprone
                        Hall Of Fame
                        • Jan 2001
                        • 34415

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Deej
                        All I can say is your looking at the right brands for home use camcorders... they both produce decent handhelds that do the trick... get one that takes a wide angle lens attachment... it will just boost the quality for some things
                        Ahh good point!

                        Industry Hall Of Fame Legend Mike Jones
                        Bow to the Power - Still BP4L
                        http://gfyawards.com/hall-of-fame
                        Learn about it kids.

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                        • boneprone
                          Hall Of Fame
                          • Jan 2001
                          • 34415

                          #13
                          I also concerned about editing software.. For HD.

                          I heard the Sony one has been difficult for the avarage consumer. Im not really all that bright and have problems with learning myself (lazy) so im wondering whats best and easiest?

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                          • boneprone
                            Hall Of Fame
                            • Jan 2001
                            • 34415

                            #14
                            Originally posted by DeanCapture
                            Boneprone, check out the Sony SR-11. You can find them for less than $1K and they are pretty damn nice.
                            I shot this footage with one!


                            WOW........

                            Is this the newest Sony?? This is really good.

                            You use tape, Hrddrive or flash?

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                            Bow to the Power - Still BP4L
                            http://gfyawards.com/hall-of-fame
                            Learn about it kids.

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                            • DeanCapture
                              Haters & Trolls SUCK!
                              • Dec 2002
                              • 9275

                              #15
                              Originally posted by boneprone
                              WOW........

                              Is this the newest Sony?? This is really good.

                              You use tape, Hrddrive or flash?
                              Memory Stick PRO Duo - no tape - works great!
                              Twitter: @DeanCapture
                              Instagram: @TheDeanCapture
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                              • tranza
                                ICQ: 197-556-237
                                • Jun 2003
                                • 57559

                                #16
                                Use flash!!
                                I'm just a newbie.

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                                • tony299
                                  lurker
                                  • Aug 2002
                                  • 57021

                                  #17
                                  dean wait til the fall the new panny comes out the hmc150 its considered the direct update to the dvx

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                                  • boneprone
                                    Hall Of Fame
                                    • Jan 2001
                                    • 34415

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by DeanCapture
                                    Memory Stick PRO Duo - no tape - works great!

                                    Once you capture the vid, what do you do with it?

                                    Upl;oad it to your PC? Then edit and burn it to DVD with vegas???

                                    I want to make sure it burns in HD format.

                                    Industry Hall Of Fame Legend Mike Jones
                                    Bow to the Power - Still BP4L
                                    http://gfyawards.com/hall-of-fame
                                    Learn about it kids.

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                                    • boneprone
                                      Hall Of Fame
                                      • Jan 2001
                                      • 34415

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by DeanCapture
                                      Memory Stick PRO Duo - no tape - works great!
                                      It says this is a HardDrive Camcorder.


                                      http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/...52921665291500

                                      I assume you can use both media card or HardDrive.

                                      Both methods can record in HD format?

                                      Industry Hall Of Fame Legend Mike Jones
                                      Bow to the Power - Still BP4L
                                      http://gfyawards.com/hall-of-fame
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