I have always sent a significant amount of traffic to FEB. Over the last few months, there has been no noticable change in ratios. That said, I do change my advertising message quite often..it's amazing what changing a single word or 2 can do to either improve or decrease sign-ups.

655099 563781 24314 1:23 $24,401.50

10-16-2002 - thru - 10-31-2002 Date / Site 8 8 1 1:8 $1.00
10-01-2002 - thru - 10-15-2002 Date / Site 14 14 0 0:14 $0.00
09-16-2002 - thru - 09-30-2002 Date / Site 68 67 4 1:16 $4.00
09-01-2002 - thru - 09-15-2002 Date / Site 183 181 15 1:12 $15.00
08-16-2002 - thru - 08-31-2002 Date / Site 244 243 21 1:11 $21.00
08-01-2002 - thru - 08-15-2002 Date / Site 437 432 21 1:20 $21.00
07-16-2002 - thru - 07-31-2002 Date / Site 348 339 17 1:19 $17.00
07-01-2002 - thru - 07-15-2002 Date / Site 334 330 17 1:19 $19.00
06-16-2002 - thru - 06-30-2002 Date / Site 530 524 9 1:58 $9.00
06-01-2002 - thru - 06-15-2002 Date / Site 533 438 14 1:31 $14.00
05-16-2002 - thru - 05-31-2002 Date / Site 924 722 40 1:18 $40.00
05-01-2002 - thru - 05-15-2002 Date / Site 843 681 39 1:17 $39.00
04-16-2002 - thru - 04-30-2002 Date / Site 124 104 10 1:10 $10.00
04-01-2002 - thru - 04-15-2002 Date / Site 85 59 3 1:19 $3.00
03-16-2002 - thru - 03-31-2002 Date / Site 24 23 2 1:11 $2.00
OVERALL TOTAL: 4699 4165 213 1:19 $215.00


I dropped them about a month ago but not because conversions were decling but because I wanted to test another program.

The October traffic is just a couple of banners I have buried away.

I've had more experience with the 4free model than just about anyone and let me tell you that without popups 4free programs would not be able to exist without playing some very obvious games or lowering payouts significantly. Popups are a double edged sword. You hate them because they reduce your income and conversions, but they are the reason that most sponsors are able to pay what they do and not shave like a mofo.

Get used to it..

Hey how are ppl doing with their new program that's in beta-testing (http://www.freeticketcash.com , I believe).. I heard some reaaaalllyy good conversions are taking place..

I don't believe that this is owned and operated by FEB. As one of their top webmasters, consistently in the top 7 or better, I am always offered first dibs on beta testing any new products. Haven't heard a peep about freeticketcash.

Not really, when a surfer sees a porn on a non adult site they get horny, and unlike other pages with pics, links to sponsors, etc.. it is the only 'source of porn' that is in their face the moment.

Although if you do this you will get people bitching at you 24/7 "my kid saw your site", etc.

I think they actually had an announcement on PornResource about it...

Rule of thumb: Anytime a new 4free type program comes out the conversions are going to be really good and then slowly drop. Pretty much all 4free programs will not give you credit for an e-mail that is already in their database. The regular porn surfers out there that look for 4free sites to join sign up to many 4free sites. Once they are in the database if they sign up for another site from that program you usually will not get credit for it because it is not a unique join. Once a large chunk of the regular 4free type site surfers join up with a new program you start to see more and more repeat people joining up with different sites on the same program. If you are using links that do not state what the site name is you will see an even quicker drop in conversions. If Joe Blow that likes to sign up for 4free sites and looks for them clicks a link on your page that says "Free Teen Site Membership" and then gets to the site and realizes it is one that he has already joined your ratio gets worse. The longer a site is out there the more this will happen and the worse ratios with a program will get. Different programs count clicks and signups different ways but this is generally true for most of the older 4free sites.

10-16-2002 1146 1120 18 1:62 $18.00
10-17-2002 1143 1122 13 1:86 $13.00
10-18-2002 1402 1367 13 1:105 $13.00
10-19-2002 1254 1227 12 1:102 $12.00
10-20-2002 1096 1070 13 1:82 $13.00
10-21-2002 1157 1137 11 1:103 $11.00
10-22-2002 1158 1140 20 1:57 $20.00

i can't see how stupid can be surfers, 1:76 average rate through FEB FPA's, it really sucks

49thParallel, my conversions are a lot better today so far I'm 1:20. Did you want to discuss what our text messages are saying to compare and contrast. Maybe one of us has something that would help the other one out :)

We can discuss over ICQ or something if you want.

Check out http://www.freeanalticket.com/ , it's part of the upcoming FreeTicketCash - it says (c)Beano Publishing, which is FEB. Pretty neat concept I'd say - probably very good converter. Can't wait :)

My ratio could be better...well, it used to be better.

49002 48033 1650 1:29 $1655.00

has anyone who gets paid via paypal been paid yet?

Someone want to trade marketing tips for this sponsor? I have some that are working pretty well so far.

Maybe we can help each other out.

Come on, lets keep this thread going.

Bottom line is you really have to find the layout and sales pitch that works best for your traffic. Really, I can give you all the advise you want to hear but since your traffic is different from mine, it would be useless.

At the most basic, sell the fact that 1) there's no credit cards needed 2) the user needs a valid email address.

Keep experimenting with your promo materials until you reach the conversion rate you want.

I'm not trying to push all of their ezines. Only 16 ezines and 16 conbination of yearbook & directory. Otherwise I think it is too confusing and too much to choose from if you use all their ezines.

I'd be plenty happy with 10-15 sales per day with like 200 hits to their sites, that's what I'm sending per day. Not much but I don't want to send too much traffic to something that pays so little.

Believe it or not, its better to push only 10 or less sites. Look at your stats and see which sell the best and keep recustomizing your text/graphics to improve your conversion.

Once you notice the trick, apply this to other niches.