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sperbonzo 07-22-2008 05:53 AM

I'm wondering, from the tone of this thread, why the anti-americans aren't also calling for the arrest of the UK government, what with the hundreds of thousands of German civilians, women and children that they slaughtered with the Lancaster raids over Dresden, etc....

just a punk 07-22-2008 05:56 AM

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Originally Posted by sperbonzo (Post 14488678)
I'm wondering, from the tone of this thread, why the anti-americans aren't also calling for the arrest of the UK government, what with the hundreds of thousands of German civilians, women and children that they slaughtered with the Lancaster raids over Dresden, etc....

Because it was long time ago. The US war crimes during WWII can not be even counted. Dresden is just a peak of a iceberg. What about Hiroshima and Nagasaki?

cykoe6 07-22-2008 05:57 AM

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Originally Posted by sperbonzo (Post 14488678)
I'm wondering, from the tone of this thread, why the anti-americans aren't also calling for the arrest of the UK government, what with the hundreds of thousands of German civilians, women and children that they slaughtered with the Lancaster raids over Dresden, etc....

Because only American military actions are "war crimes" or "genocide". Everyone else is just engaged in legitimate wars of self defense. Because countries like Russia, China, UK, France and Germany have never been involved in any aggressive military actions. Because the US is the source of all evil while every other military power is just a victim of their evil designs. :Oh crap

sperbonzo 07-22-2008 05:59 AM

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Originally Posted by cyberxxx (Post 14488690)
Because it was long time ago. The US war crimes during WWII can not be even counted. Dresden is just a peak of a iceberg. What about Hiroshima and Nagasaki?

Good lord you really are one of the little koolaid drinkers aren't you??? :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

thunder99 07-22-2008 06:04 AM

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Originally Posted by cyberxxx (Post 14488618)
But(!!!) Russia and China have never invaded foreign countries and never committed to genocide of foreign people.

I take it that you are joking when you say that?

just a punk 07-22-2008 06:07 AM

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Originally Posted by thunder99 (Post 14488725)
I take it that you are joking when you say that?

Nope. If you want to rebut it - give me some facts. Otherwise just don't post here.

cykoe6 07-22-2008 06:09 AM

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Originally Posted by cyberxxx (Post 14488745)
Nope. If you want to rebut it - give me some facts. Otherwise just don't post here.

You are so ignorant of Russian history that you are really unaware of when the invaded a foreign country? I gave you list in the other post. Are you really that ignorant of Russian history or was that all "too long ago" to matter?

Phil 07-22-2008 06:14 AM

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Originally Posted by cykoe6 (Post 14488758)
You are so ignorant of Russian history that you are really unaware of when the invaded a foreign country? I gave you list in the other post. Are you really that ignorant of Russian history or was that all "too long ago" to matter?

russian or soviet history. lets get things straight ..

just a punk 07-22-2008 06:14 AM

For those morons who would like to mirror the situation with Karadzic to WWII.

Here are 2 facts for you:
1) Our days: Karadzic was caught and will be sued by a bunch of mindless puppets.
2) WWII times: Werner Von Brown was not sued and became the respected US citizen. It's impassible to imagine a wost humiliation for the USA that having a bloody Nazi killer in the head of their NATIONAL space program.

cykoe6 07-22-2008 06:15 AM

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Originally Posted by cyberxxx (Post 14488647)
Q: Has the Putin got peace in Chechnya?
A: YES!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080721/...M8nNquZLN0bBAF

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By SERGEI VENYAVSKY, Associated Press Writer
Mon Jul 21, 4:34 AM ET

ROSTOV-ON-DON, Russia - A local Interior Ministry official says unidentified assailants have shot and killed three police officers in Russia's troubled North Caucasus region of Chechnya.

The official says the bullet-riddled bodies of three officers who had been guarding an Interior Ministry trailer were found on a collective farm early Monday. He spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not allowed to speak to the media officially.

He says the assailants made off with the officers' guns.

Chechnya has been torn apart by two wars since 1994 pitting separatist rebels against Russian forces.

Major fighting died down years ago and the region is controlled by a Kremlin-backed government, but militant attacks and other violence persist.
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but militant attacks and other violence persist.
Sounds a bit like Iraq.

just a punk 07-22-2008 06:16 AM

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Originally Posted by cykoe6 (Post 14488758)
You are so ignorant of Russian history that you are really unaware of when the invaded a foreign country? I gave you list in the other post. Are you really that ignorant of Russian history or was that all "too long ago" to matter?

You are sooooo ignoramus. Russian Federation (Russia) is not the same as USSR. Learn history man and get a bit smarter :2 cents:

just a punk 07-22-2008 06:19 AM

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Originally Posted by cykoe6 (Post 14488776)

That only sounds like that.

Phil 07-22-2008 06:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Antonio (Post 14488507)
so we should let all the people responsible for the fucked up shit unpunished???

I'm sure you'll think just the same if somebody burns your village down

no, just the those that live in the US and UK.

cykoe6 07-22-2008 06:23 AM

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Originally Posted by CAMOKAT (Post 14488771)
russian or soviet history. lets get things straight ..

Now I see........... The Soviet Union's war crimes, invasions and genocides are not on the hands of pure Mother Russia.

I guess the crimes of the Federal Republic of Germany have nothing to do with the Deutsches Reich.

So all that is needed is a governmental reorganization and the slate of history is wiped clean?

cykoe6 07-22-2008 06:29 AM

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Originally Posted by cyberxxx (Post 14488785)
That only sounds like that.

Of course..... because all data that provides evidence against your positions is "propaganda" and all evidence that supports your conclusions is undisputed "fact."

Basically your world view can be summed by this:

Mother Russia = 100% Pure Innocent Goodness

USA = 100% Pure Genocidal Evil

That is a very well thought out position.

Phil 07-22-2008 06:32 AM

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Originally Posted by cykoe6 (Post 14488798)
Now I see........... The Soviet Union's war crimes, invasions and genocides are not on the hands of pure Mother Russia.

I guess the crimes of the Federal Republic of Germany have nothing to do with the Deutsches Reich.

So all that is needed is a governmental reorganization and the slate of history is wiped clean?

15 different states were part of Soviet Union. Give me one reason why you would delegate so called “mother Russia” as sole recipient of genocide awards. Remind me the nationalities of Joseph Stalin, Beria, Khrushev?

Phil 07-22-2008 06:40 AM

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Originally Posted by cykoe6 (Post 14488809)
Of course..... because all data that provides evidence against your positions is "propaganda" and all evidence that supports your conclusions is undisputed "fact."

Basically your world view can be summed by this:

Mother Russia = 100% Pure Innocent Goodness

USA = 100% Pure Genocidal Evil

That is a very well thought out position.

Ignorance is bliss young man..
I think its pretty clear what he says. as long as US solders (only) are immune from prosecution, this so called tribunal is nothing but farce. When you have people wiping out entire neighborhoods in Iraq and go scott free, thre shouldn’t be any talk about “international tribunals”…

Phil 07-22-2008 06:47 AM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Chessani

24 people dead and he's eating beef jerkey and drinking bud lught right now.

just a punk 07-22-2008 06:52 AM

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Originally Posted by cykoe6 (Post 14488798)
Federal Republic of Germany have nothing to do with the Deutsches Reich.

Yes .

cykoe6 07-22-2008 06:53 AM

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Originally Posted by CAMOKAT (Post 14488842)
Ignorance is bliss young man..
I think its pretty clear what he says. as long as US solders (only) are immune from prosecution, this so called tribunal is nothing but farce. When you have people wiping out entire neighborhoods in Iraq and go scott free, thre shouldn?t be any talk about ?international tribunals??

I wish I was a young man.......so I guess I will take that as a compliment. As was mentioned before The US, China and Russia are all not subject to the ICC. It is not just the US. That is the whole point.

Quote:

Russia, like the United States and China, is not a party to the ICC. It has been reluctant to support council intervention on issues like Sudan and Zimbabwe, arguing in favor of a hands-off approach that critics say is tantamount to supporting impunity.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080721/...VS_p5wlLq96Q8F

femdomdestiny 07-22-2008 07:09 AM

Lie
 
For any normal person who actually know what happened there, ti is clear that is punishment of US for making resistance to USA.

Do you really think that all three presidents of that country are in jail? (Karadzic,Biljana Plavsic,- women, and Momcilo Krajisnik) are quity or it is made that those people are guilty?

First, Americans helped Mujahedins in Bosina against Christian Serbs. That is a fact. Divide and conquer is simple strategy that works very well.

Hague tribunal is fake tribunal,because Albanian (muslim) terrorists are free (Haradinaj during whose process in Hague, 9 witnesses are killed!),Nase Oric, muslim killer (killing people with his own hands) ...etc...Serbs are prisoned there because they were making resistance to USA. I am just sorry that all of people here starting to understand Muslim threat, but too late . Americans wouldn't probably be aware that 9/11 didn't happened.

Anyway, he was fighting againt these guys : https://youtube.com/watch?v=__Q-z...eature=related while Serbian side was bombed by AMericans who supported Mujahedins there.

cykoe6 07-22-2008 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by CAMOKAT (Post 14488866)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Chessani

24 people dead and he's eating beef jerkey and drinking bud lught right now.

General Vladimir Shamanov - 41 civilians murdered and raped and he is counselor to Russia's defense minister in good standing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alkhan-Yurt_massacre

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Shamanov

Two can play that silly game.

just a punk 07-22-2008 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by cykoe6 (Post 14488798)
So all that is needed is a governmental reorganization and the slate of history is wiped clean?

The USA were so proud that they defeated communism and totally destroyed the USSR. Now, according to your words it looks like Americans are idiots, because they haven't destroyed USSR at all, the Soviet country has been just... "reorganized" by it's own government. Have I got your point?

Phil 07-22-2008 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by cykoe6 (Post 14488950)
General Vladimir Shamanov - 41 civilians murdered and raped and he is counselor to Russia's defense minister in good standing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alkhan-Yurt_massacre

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Shamanov

Two can play that silly game.

Now, hand on, don’t give me that shit.. I asked you a question and instead of answering it you produce me example of how fixated you are on whole “bloody mother Russia” issue. WE’re talking about ole’ good democratic state of america here. Everybody knows the butchering Russians that ate ukranian babies in 1930’s…lets talk about the US for a second.

Phil 07-22-2008 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by cykoe6 (Post 14488888)
I wish I was a young man.......so I guess I will take that as a compliment. As was mentioned before The US, China and Russia are all not subject to the ICC. It is not just the US. That is the whole point.



http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080721/...VS_p5wlLq96Q8F

Wrong again. Prior to Iraq invasion US negotiated with EU and other countries to protect its soldiers from prosecution .. apples and radiators...

cykoe6 07-22-2008 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by CAMOKAT (Post 14488971)
Now, hand on, don?t give me that shit.. I asked you a question and instead of answering it you produce me example of how fixated you are on whole ?bloody mother Russia? issue. WE?re talking about ole? good democratic state of america here. Everybody knows the butchering Russians that ate ukranian babies in 1930?s?lets talk about the US for a second.

I am not fixated on the whole "bloody Mother Russia" issue. I personally think Putin is a great man who rescued the country from oblivion and defeated a vicious guerilla insurgency by any means necessary....... just as he should have done. I have a picture of Putin on my fucking desktop. My point is that the every conflict has two sides. The people who call the Serbians "butchers" and want war crimes tribunals conveniently forget about Croatian massacres and the Croatian concentration camps in WWII.

Just like I supported Putin's effort to defeat the Chechnya rebels I also support Bush's efforts to defeat the Islamists. Some fights are necessary and just. Perhaps you don?t believe that the US effort is right but there are two sides to the argument.

Antonio 07-22-2008 07:26 AM

hahaha, this thread is getting better and better, gfy is going to start a WW3

cykoe6 07-22-2008 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by cyberxxx (Post 14488967)
The USA were so proud that they defeated communism and totally destroyed the USSR. Now, according to your words it looks like Americans are idiots, because they haven't destroyed USSR at all, the Soviet country has been just... "reorganized" by it's own government. Have I got your point?

That is somewhat accurate. Anyway perhaps we can agree that the US allowing the Soviet Union to collapse was huge strategic blunder for which the world is still paying for every day? George Bush senior should have done what he could do to support the foundations of the Soviet state so it did not disintegrate. Free market reforms should have been carried out within the existing structure instead of letting the whole system collapse into Mafia clans.

The resulting power vacuum has created chaos all over the globe. The Islamists were quite contained until the USSR collapsed. The Soviets were the tip of the spear against the Islamist threat in Afghanistan and were undermined by the US who supported the wrong side. Now the US is reaping the harvest of that mistake. That does not mean their current efforts are illegitimate, however.

just a punk 07-22-2008 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by cykoe6 (Post 14489031)
The resulting power vacuum has created chaos all over the globe. The Islamists were quite contained until the USSR collapsed. The Soviets were the tip of the spear against the Islamist threat in Afghanistan and were undermined by the US who supported the wrong side. Now the US is reaping the harvest of that mistake. That does not mean their current efforts are illegitimate, however.

I concur with this part.

just a punk 07-22-2008 08:06 AM

cykoe6, you know, I think the USA is making the same mistake with former Yugoslavia, and the victim of it will be the EU. Kosovo is going to be a biggest radical Islamic drug'n'weapon trade "camp" in the center of Europe. Personally I have no idea why the USA and EU were need it for...

cykoe6 07-22-2008 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by cyberxxx (Post 14489149)
cykoe6, you know, I think the USA is making the same mistake with former Yugoslavia, and the victim of it will be the EU. Kosovo is going to be a biggest radical Islamic drug'n'weapon trade "camp" in the center of Europe. Personally I have no idea why the USA and EU were need it for...

I agree complete with this. What an idiotic move on the US and EU's part. Allowing Kosovo to officially break away from Serbia sets a very bad precedent. Now what will they say when South Ossetia, Abkhazia, and Pridnestrovie want self determination as well? How about Iraqi Kurdistan? What stupidty. All to allow an Islamist foothold in Europe. A huge strategic blunder.

The Serbians have been treated unfairly by the US and the EU since the beginning of the war. That is why I am opposed to these kangaroo "war crimes" tribunals which are just good ole fashioned "victors justice". So much hypocrisy.

Unlimited 07-22-2008 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by cykoe6 (Post 14489222)
I agree complete with this. What an idiotic move on the US and EU's part. Allowing Kosovo to officially break away from Serbia sets a very bad precedent. Now what will they say when South Ossetia, Abkhazia, and Pridnestrovie want self determination as well? How about Iraqi Kurdistan? What stupidty. All to allow an Islamist foothold in Europe. A huge strategic blunder.

The Serbians have been treated unfairly by the US and the EU since the beginning of the war. That is why I am opposed to these kangaroo "war crimes" tribunals which are just good ole fashioned "victors justice". So much hypocrisy.

Amen to that! :)

femdomdestiny 07-22-2008 09:48 AM

Already
 
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Originally Posted by cyberxxx (Post 14489149)
cykoe6, you know, I think the USA is making the same mistake with former Yugoslavia, and the victim of it will be the EU. Kosovo is going to be a biggest radical Islamic drug'n'weapon trade "camp" in the center of Europe. Personally I have no idea why the USA and EU were need it for...

Kosovo is that already. I was watching American Black Hawks bringing weapons to Kosovo and Albainas back in 1998.Same they did In Bosnia while they were helping Mujahedins there.... now thinkg about 9/11. Germany made war in Ex Yugoslavia, Americans were not sure what to do, later they did same in Kosovo. Hope Russia will be strong enough to drive away muslims supported by USA since Serbia is already lost.

TubeTitans_SusieQ 07-22-2008 09:50 AM

wow, thats news....

Klen 07-22-2008 12:18 PM

I just readed how he was alternative doctor,and they showed his pic.He look totaly different.
Funny thing he even have website: http://www.psy-help-energy.com/
Unsual proffesion for such person.

Zverka 07-22-2008 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by KlenTelaris (Post 14490138)
I just readed how he was alternative doctor,and they showed his pic.He look totaly different.
Funny thing he even have website: http://www.psy-help-energy.com/
Unsual proffesion for such person.


nope he's adult webmaster

proof http://psy-help-energy.com/phpbb2/viewforum.php?f=1

Klen 07-22-2008 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by adultish (Post 14490272)

Ha ha who knows maybe he runs one of those high traffic ilegall tube sites.

he-fox 07-22-2008 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by femdomdestiny (Post 14488934)
For any normal person who actually know what happened there, ti is clear that is punishment of US for making resistance to USA.

Do you really think that all three presidents of that country are in jail? (Karadzic,Biljana Plavsic,- women, and Momcilo Krajisnik) are quity or it is made that those people are guilty?

First, Americans helped Mujahedins in Bosina against Christian Serbs. That is a fact. Divide and conquer is simple strategy that works very well.

Hague tribunal is fake tribunal,because Albanian (muslim) terrorists are free (Haradinaj during whose process in Hague, 9 witnesses are killed!),Nase Oric, muslim killer (killing people with his own hands) ...etc...Serbs are prisoned there because they were making resistance to USA. I am just sorry that all of people here starting to understand Muslim threat, but too late . Americans wouldn't probably be aware that 9/11 didn't happened.

Anyway, he was fighting againt these guys : https://youtube.com/watch?v=__Q-z...eature=related while Serbian side was bombed by AMericans who supported Mujahedins there.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=HdMOG3gJvYs

https://youtube.com/watch?v=Id4wt...eature=related

https://youtube.com/watch?v=Hj25i...eature=related

The Srebrenica massacre.

How can you sustain as a human being that what happened there was right and it should not be blamed nor punished, is beyond belief.
But it's obvious that you're just a tool in the hands of propaganda. Go crawl back under your rock and be ashamed, dumbass.

For the record, those mujahedin animals, croats, bosnians and all the atrocities that happened in a European country in the 90's are equally beyond belief and to be blamed. Fucking animals and weak minds in the hands of puppet masters.

ADL Colin 07-22-2008 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by cykoe6 (Post 14489031)
That is somewhat accurate. Anyway perhaps we can agree that the US allowing the Soviet Union to collapse was huge strategic blunder for which the world is still paying for every day? George Bush senior should have done what he could do to support the foundations of the Soviet state so it did not disintegrate. Free market reforms should have been carried out within the existing structure instead of letting the whole system collapse into Mafia clans.

The resulting power vacuum has created chaos all over the globe. The Islamists were quite contained until the USSR collapsed. The Soviets were the tip of the spear against the Islamist threat in Afghanistan and were undermined by the US who supported the wrong side. Now the US is reaping the harvest of that mistake. That does not mean their current efforts are illegitimate, however.

Commy Ruskies were WAY scarier than terrorist Muslims.

buzzy 07-22-2008 01:35 PM

Srebrenica was one of the biggest disasters of the late 20th century, hope this man hangs.


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