I gotta agree with Immortal on this one

Forgot to say 50 btw!

I'm still here... almost 10 years on the net now.

You want an example? I have been running my own amateur site http://www.DiamondsCam.com since 2002 and have no plans to stop. I love my job!

Thank you to all the girls who have replied with their sites whom I have not specifically said thank you to :)

That's not true...it depends on how much you are making. If you're earning less than a liveable wage on your site you are still amateur. Same with amateur models, amateur golfers, amateur whatever. Just because you make some money and have been making some money for a LONG time does not mean you're not amateur. I've been modelling for 3 years and getting paid to do it, does that make me a pro? NO WAY.

That being said you are right insofar as I actually was meaning sites that are totally run by the girls and are not run by a company using the girl as a personality. :)

All of the girls on my website are 100% amateur and all of the content is shot by myself. My website is not like so many other "amateur" sites where the girls are said to be amateur but in reality, they are just pro models made to look amateur. I personally go out in public and talk with these girls about working for my website and they either go for it or they don't. In alot of cases, they go for it and out of the 4 years since my website has been online, I have NEVER missed one single update and I update once every 7 days with new and fresh amateur girls. I have never had a problem getting girls for the website. That's for sure.

My websites affiliate program is also doing great as well. The hosted galleries are converting into sales like mad so if anyone is interested in promoting REAL...and yes, I mean R...E...A...L amateur girls then they can check it out the program here: True Amateur Cash and you can get to the actual website by clicking here: True Amateur Models.

That is really nice to hear :)

Though I actually was looking for solo girls who run their own sites to refer my friends to as examples so you fall outside of that. But I am glad to hear you are staying true to your genre!

Sites run by large companies should be banned from using the word "amateur" imho but that'll never happen :disgust


But I still say if someone has been doing this long enough and know what they are doing then they stop being an amateur though I suppose it comes down to a persons definition of "amateur". For porn my definition is someone new to the biz who may not be using the best equipment or know absolutely nothing about what they are doing (my favourite kind lol) . Though I've never run an amateur site I'd say that just like any other earnings are only a matter of how good you are at getting traffic to your site and how good your content is.

(kisskatlyn I'm sure everything you do is top notch stuff :) )

This laassie is simply Gooood :)!
 

[QUOTE=ArielRebel;14481397]This laassie is simply Gooood :)!
In February, present their first fruits to DEViantart.com? and now writes about "it's millions of hours in front of photoshop trying" ;-).
How is that time of relative ;-)!
(Also good and confident self promotion and marketing!)

This can not even write that I am using Photoshop since version 5th
(So long ago - to the Ariel "played perhaps even" with dolls ;-).
But what I saw in the "free" Ariel vebu so very improved and cropping - masking?
And this is very important and often the basis for further high-quality work.
Ariel like also uses various artistic? cuts fonts.
Attention! And sometimes less is more!

She has a very decent Banners, but there is still a certain style that its current capabilities. But the artistic imagination? and this is very important.
I am on this new Ariel work so curious that I poru?ím his rule and will soon visit her personal Web site - membership area!

Ariel, the drawing, please try SW Corel Painter.
With pressure tablets are not substitutable for a simple and creative design-drawing.
It is good to know as well as vector or Corel Draw and A. Illustrator. Just the basics and transfer vector - BMP formats.
The crop is very good plugina Corel Knookaut II.
Ariel, in the case of interest they can send a great many creative plugins, brushes, TTF, modern OTF and Adobe fonts?
I have this really great collection ;-)!

Ariel, I have a small query whether they received my e-mail with the demonstration - an imitation (moí variations) of your image "Look_in_my_eyes_by_arielrebel."

LINE: http://fc03.deviantart.com/fs28/i/20...arielrebel.jpg

Ariel, as a small example, there is less repair of the new photos from your mobile phone!
There is the original 1:1,
4 x increased your original 100% JPG quality
me and retouch photos 7 / 12 quality JPG. :)
.

http://www.arielrebel.com/english/sd...76/1905-lg.jpg [The original 1:1 ; 240 x 360 px]
.
http://www.matrace-cz.cz/_gfy/1905-l..._ariel_q12.jpg [The original 1:4 ; 480 x 720 px]
.
http://www.matrace-cz.cz/_gfy/1905-l...iel_txt_q7.jpg [The retoush 1:4 ; 480 x 720 px ; Color balance ]
.
Zdenek Svoboda
The Czech republik
P.S.:
Winding up your full APPZ files on the current Internet is almost completed.

the debate over who is a real amateur and who is not goes back to at least 1998.

Once a girls is paid, is she no longer an "Amateur"?

I fully agree with you.
 

I fully agree with you.
Girls? with his solo positions, which are regularly in the multi certainly not amateurs!
This is tendentious - misleading information or interpretation!
If, furthermore, the main activity, let alone the sole source of income, not an amateur has not fair to speak?!

Zdenek Svoboda
The Czech republic

Melissa is no where near being an amateur. You do not need a big company to back you to not be an amateur. Melissa owns several websites now, she has her own company. Amateur = new model. Someone that is not all over the web and has not been around for years.

My photographer is my BEST friend so it,s really easy to shoot whaever I want... but I'm also managing a blog where I do ipctures all by myself :) I love amateur pictures style! It's so naughty! lol :)

Just a question on Ariel!
 

Just a question on Ariel!

Ariel, you are there to GFY yet?
Now am writing Rico e-mail.
Zdenek Svoboda

Ariel, look at the address:
 

Ariel, look at the address:
LINK:
http://teensstuff2.blogspot.com/search/label/Ariel% 20Rebel
Is there a member of your APPZ.
Elsewhere, those files are not new.
There are other gils models,
The possibility of inspiration from other girls.
As předám Rico link to the blog interesantní limited to certain files girls.

I just supplement!
 

Girls,
If such a site for fun? or very little revenue, (in the studio or any other major occupation) may be taken as a purely amateur!
Once the website but the main or only source of income can not speak for the amateur erotic modeling!
Maximum of amateur administration website is produced and self-help or GPU (free) license.

Ariel new photographer (the good friend) is really very good!
But the "certain" photos are slightly "more light than the minimum optimum.
Needs to increase the aperture (Iris) number about >1 / 2 aperture (Iris) numbers or a better set-white. And the best and 18% grey!
Also, more work with manual mode INCREASING image!

Ariel, I sometimes send the Max? sample where there is an error in the exposure model - you.
There is not a warm tones!
White color (instead of human skin) color has no bearing "information!
More photos dark as to better adjust to correct-but has no power to the ground!
It makes flat space! Smaller broken in the area of optical depth!

Zdenek Svoboda
The Czech republic

Only imperfect machine translation software text into English

Ariel,
I will be following very sorry!
I nev?dět whether you know about me at all and I want to know and your opinion on my intervention on the Internet.
Now you go read your text.
Zdenek S.

KCat is definitely still around with her own non-avs site:

http://krismadison.com
and
http://barefootkristy.com

And like my buddy c_u_next_tuesday said, I'm still here and have been for years. We even just added one of our friends (who also has had her site since 2002) to our program:

Here's the tour for affiliates:
http://amberlily.net/clean

But yeah, it's definitely difficult to compete with the corporate solo girl sites for traffic especially when the big programs can offer really nice payouts and buttloads of promos. I have to disagree with people who think those kinds of programs are more reliable in terms of longevity, though. It's the indie programs with the real homemade content featuring real couples doing their own things that have been around since the beginning (or soon thereafter) and STUCK around. The girls who are just models for big programs are more likely to flake out, fuck off, switch programs, change names, blah blah blah. Not saying the indies don't do it too, but yeah.

Zdenek would you please fuck off already? Holy shit. Get the fuck outta my thread about amateurs. If you want to talk to Ariel or her webmaster talk TO THEM. She already asked you to stop posting here and you posted TWO MORE TIMES. FUCK OFF.

Ariel: very professional, I could never be so nice ;)

Trixie: thanks for Kris's link, I didn't know about that new site (well new to me lol)

never seen your site before bella, very sexy. :jerkoff:jerkoff:jerkoff:jerkoff

So am I considered a pro now nice! I thought I was going to have to keep that amateur status forever lol. Melissa

Call it what you want but many people have their own idea of what amateur means. I worry about what the surfer thinks and if they are happy so are we

I am sorry you this.
 

Kisskatly,
I am sorry you this.
First, I wrote a follow-up contribution as a supplementary note even before I read Ariel answer. (Text and translation of me takes a longer time!)
It was only my second rapid response to Ariel text. And it was on my small and quick apology!
He wrote after I read the first two sentences!

I just doplním that initially I would have to respond to your first, a little retrospective contribution - a question! It was also interesting for me.
Then I read Ariel sentence, but the "millions of hours with A. Photoshop?"!
And I had to respond ;-)!
A. I work with Photoshop has >10 years! But such "exaggeration" I would probably never did not apply:-D. It was also very humorous?!
Therefore, I have made and applied to the sample retous photo. This is not a simple and quick work! (Confirm what more can you work with Photoshop!)
Others were just additional text. Then my positive assessment of its new graphics work, and secondarily and quickly pass an additional effort (although there undue) information!
I even do not know what it forward its support for information from our correspondence.
Here it is not possible or send an internal message such as NNBoard? :-(.

I agree that Ariel response has been very professional and I will complete and decent!
I hereby once more you and Ariel sorry for my private interference in your thread!

Kisskatly, I just doplním that I personally as a serious threat to smaller Internet location of this type I see a large increase in supply in recent years! (Mainly from the east and from Europe.)
When the "future" offer exceeds a certain constant level of "paying demand (and do not mention the increase thievery - APPZ a false password (@) - which also writes the" Fitzmulti "), will decrease to a large proportion of sales -- Income!
And many individual and less high-quality bulk will have to close down - crash.
But I do not know the actual number of demand / sales in the biz.
This is but the NNBoard written about before <2 years.
Only a supplement to your interview on the thread, and my next point.
The professionalism in this field of business? (Perhaps it is appropriate to issue this thread!)
Zdenek Svoboda
The Czech republic
P.S.:
It will be my apology and clarification adopted?
The text is longer. I am a bit graphomaniac am writing a lot.
Only imperfect machine translation software text into English

babelfish gave me a headache

Very interesting point man!

These guys actually pic up amateur girls right from the street and fuck 'em inside their bus. Amazing!

http://www.bangbus.com/

I don't know how long this girl has been around or if she's updating anymore, but i think maybe her boyfriend runs it with here.
http://texascoeds.com/joey/main.html

Also a lot of amateurs have hopped onto networks like Dreamnet and SouthernCharms.