Look man, i tried to even apologize if you took anything personal. I have plenty of table-less sites i've coded that work well across all browsers. I am CHOOSING not to show them on this board, because i sure as hell don't need my mainstream clients finding me linking them here, If your talking about someone pointing out the failed validation of scriptworkz.com it's already been fixed, so beat a differant horse.

You can live in your little dream world, i don't give a fuck. Have a nice night, and just once and for all to prove the advantages of a tableless / tabled layout, try creating any layout that isn't organized into a grid of blocks with a table, betcha you can't! You can create any sort of layout with css but tables at the end of the day are just a grid, no matter how many oversized images you stuff into them.

For someone that claims to be an innovator and a trailblazer you sure are stuck in the past.

I am gonna quote you ScriptKiddieWorks.

"Only if coded improperly, every page i code in xhtml / css for a client renders the same across all major relevant browsers."

Relevant Browsers? Uhh... This is the adult industry punk we are concenred about ALL Browsers here and the most reliable display methods...

Oh and alting in a duplicate version of a site that has browser detection then forwarding to appropriate layout is for fucking morons. Why no just code it right the first time?

There is a market

Don't you get paid?

right from w3.org

Abstract and status
It has been advocated many times that tables shouldn't be use in HTML for layout purposes

Try and apologise to me? Fuck you bitch, you aint shit worthy of acception.

PS: Nothing wrong with Grids and tables dude. What does Grid conotate now? SOmething negative? Table based layouts are nothing more than a means to an end to display. Its not my fault All the browsers in the world are not the same! Cry me a river.

I want a layout that is strictly controlled, I set it up in tables and I suck?
Fuck you asshole. I already know how to design without tables, I will admit I am not an expert at it, and I sure as fuck wont go before a client and swear by tableless design as the best thing since shit hit the earth and I can tell them all with legitimate reason why tableless may infact be hazardous for thier business.

In Adult design layout is pretty integrel and it is important to build for the widest possible number of compabtible browsers.

So go home, its over shut up and die on the road fuck head.

Alien, you design good graphics...

but this thread is solid proof that you have no clue about SEO, CSS nor its advantages...

SE's DO see data different in div's and tables...

much differently...

and as far as ease of maintenance... With css and php(or even just css) you can change 1,000 pages at once instead of taking on all those tables ;)

adapt dude...

This Thread Is Like The Energizer Bunny, It Keeps Going, And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going And Going

Surely you can absolutly! I do not need to adapt I know alot of this shit already. My work proves and speaks for itself over the years.
I am not saying CSS is bad for handling some display things especially text display or dynamic text display in layouts, Absolute position is problematic and the difference to SE's is again Apples to Apples its not much different. DIV CONTAINER DIV is no different than TABLE TR TD. However in absolute positioning in lAyers you still need to put down the position width and height! Which takes up many more Bytes than a table.

You still end up with near same amount of code! Why again does CSS work better for SEO? Its just the simple really that the SPider's index only so much information. Whether it is DIV or TABLE capsulations is pretty petty.

Ya want good text control go with CSS thats all good with me man. Fuck all I use them myself.

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actually content in tables IS different than divisions... experiment...

also, the widths n such have to be read once... as where each table is read everytime on every page.... once the first page loads a css fgile, its done.. cached...

again... you are wrong there... i still use tables, im not saying tableless all the way, but 95percent these days is best for serious clients wanting maximum potential...

Well, just to clarify ... I didn't say you sucked :)

But I just think you're generalising as much as some people are about tables ... you said tableless would always have incompatibilities, which I don't agree with. But it's all good man ... debates are cool. Just a little too much hate in the thread, from both sides of the argument :)

Wait wait:)

Thats funny. If you are doing PHP and you got 1000 pages in the application you are a moron. Use a template!
Maybe you should learn more yourself regarding SEO and Databases and dynamic information, data vulnerability to hacks.

You always got some stupid condecending shit to say to me...
Which is why I won't refer you business. I decided today I do not like you.
So Go Fuck Yourself.

I found a cool artical.

Pretty interesting! Again do not take my word on things but lets site other developers thoughts on the subject:)

http://www.ironspider.ca/webdesign102/tablesvscss.htm

Hot damn I can not wait to launch my blog there is much to consider in the design sciences and woot, it's good to know i am not to far off from the common thoughts of the matters at hand.

he is nothing but a pole smoker

Another fake nick?

table design came out to 1200+ lines

converted to css 45 lines

looks the same, works in every browser tested. and much cleaner code

why do you care about that article? you're 10x better than that guy, that page looks like designed in 1994, it's talking about NEWBIES
and guess what? the page advocating the use of tables is.... tableless :error

anyway, I'm out, gotta build more tableless tours :winkwink:

I dont really care if you like me, Alien.

You never have referred me business anyway.

I never have expected it.

If you want to take my 1000 pages blurb there and run with it fine.. but anyone thats knows, knows what im saying... fuck php.... thats why i noted that even with just css... the points stands, with css, you can change the layout of multiple (2-1000, or even more) pages with one file. This im sure you know but you just keep trying to argue something... something moot.

Along with that statement, Ill say this. No shit!!! If I did run a site, whichever kind it may be, and it were php based with, lets go ahead and say it, 1000s of pages (theres plenty out there running smoothly), I would not be fpcusing on them for SEO purposes. I would either SEO a cover page and make sure those duplicates were not spidered the same.
-or-
I would use it as a flagship and point other SEO campaigns towards it.

I compliment you plenty. You always jump to insult or throw out some sort of attempt to be demeaning.

You may not like me. But I have no worries. You will some day. Shit, you like Headless now, and can you remember ALL the shit he talked on you when you were down and out... pushing the cock sucking story...

and now you befriend him?

youre straight up crazy, naive, bi-polar or lonely... maybe all?

just give up man, you back peddle and flip flop so fuckin much, before it was fun... years later, its old...

you confide in headless, thats hilarious :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

lol @ AlienQ... what a shame

deej is a douche... He always has some shit to say, but when you call him out on it he trys to play it off like he's your friend, cool and shit...

Time will always show whose a douchebag...

I swear this wouldn't happen in face to face mainstream business... lol

I can't believe you guys are still discussing the same shit :1orglaugh

This Sparta Bitch!

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Sometimes you think you're funny and people are laughing with you, when in fact everyone is laughing at you and you're not the joker you think you are. :1orglaugh

PHP has absolutely 0 to do with how your home computer caches css files, templates or how it reads tables.
Sounding less and less educated by the minute.

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"PHP has absolutely 0 to do with how your home computer caches css files, templates or how it reads tables.
Sounding less and less educated by the minute."

I didnt say it did dipshit. Where did I say PHP caches? Wait... Fuck ya got me again yer an idiot.

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